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Originally Posted by Conservative

Citation please

The Medicare Monster - Reason Magazine

Health Care Reform Cost Estimates: What is the Track Record? | The Foundry: Conservative Policy News.

Thanks. Next time, skip the "do your own research" crap.

Originally Posted by Conservative

We could run the current program better instead of creating this POS. Address the costs and those truly uninsured because of financial conditions. Govt. never does that and never will. Too much power to be lost by doing what makes sense.

We can do both. And we can keep working on and changing this present legislation. And yes, the government makes changes all the time. What we need is more honest and informed input from the public.

Originally Posted by misterman

Thanks. Next time, skip the "do your own research" crap.

Too bad you buy what you are told by others without the same degree of "citation please" Why is that?

Why aren't you questioning the govt. on their claims that Healthcare is deficit neutral? Why aren't you questioning the govt. and their claims that this healthcare bill lowers healthcare costs? Why aren't you questioning how the govt. can add 30 million to the healthcare roles and lower healthcare costs?

Originally Posted by Conservative

Too bad you buy what you are told by others without the same degree of "citation please"

No I don't.

Why aren't you questioning the govt. on their claims that Healthcare is deficit neutral? Why aren't you questioning the govt. and their claims that this healthcare bill lowers healthcare costs? Why aren't you questioning how the govt. can add 30 million to the healthcare roles and lower healthcare costs?

Why do you always whine so much about simply being asked to back up your arguments?

Originally Posted by Boo Radley

We can do both. And we can keep working on and changing this present legislation. And yes, the government makes changes all the time. What we need is more honest and informed input from the public.

"Your" President just signed the biggest POS in U.S. History and you support it because it is a "first step". Do you normally support programs that add trillions to the debt because it is a first step? First step towards what?

The public has spoken and the Administration ignored it. When you affect 1/6 of the U.S. Economy it is better using incrementalism than this multi trillion dollare POS. All this bill does is add 30 million to the roles while increasing costs. It does nothing to improve healthcare. Fix the infrastructure first and eliminate the waste, fraud, and abuse before creating another entitlement program.

What really bothers me is how you have bought into the govt. rhetoric without one bit of evidence that the govt. has ever done anything well in the social arena.

Originally Posted by Conservative

"Your" President just signed the biggest POS in U.S. History and you support it because it is a "first step". Do you normally support programs that add trillions to the debt because it is a first step? First step towards what?

The public has spoken and the Administration ignored it. When you affect 1/6 of the U.S. Economy it is better using incrementalism than this multi trillion dollare POS. All this bill does is add 30 million to the roles while increasing costs. It does nothing to improve healthcare. Fix the infrastructure first and eliminate the waste, fraud, and abuse before creating another entitlement program.

What really bothers me is how you have bought into the govt. rhetoric without one bit of evidence that the govt. has ever done anything well in the social arena.

Worthwhile ones, yes. You can't do anything without taking the first step.

And the public has a lot of misinformation in their heads right now. Given time and a more accurate reading, you may find them objecting less than you think.

Originally Posted by Boo Radley

Worthwhile ones, yes. You can't do anything without taking the first step.

And the public has a lot of misinformation in their heads right now. Given time and a more accurate reading, you may find them objecting less than you think.

I can take a big first step without spending over a trillion dollars. Obviously you has no concept as to how big a trillion dollars is and thus cannot comprehend the extent that this POS will affect the economy, personal income, and thus standard of living.

Originally Posted by Conservative

I can take a big first step without spending over a trillion dollars. Obviously you has no concept as to how big a trillion dollars is and thus cannot comprehend the extent that this POS will affect the economy, personal income, and thus standard of living.

The effect may be minimal as compared to other factors. However, without or without health care reform, the budget and debt will need to be addressed. Some combination of cuts and taxes will eventually need to be done. But this effort is important and can, with work, actually lower the debt.

Originally Posted by Boo Radley

The effect may be minimal as compared to other factors. However, without or without health care reform, the budget and debt will need to be addressed. Some combination of cuts and taxes will eventually need to be done. But this effort is important and can, with work, actually lower the debt.

Here is something you better be thinking about instead of adding more debt to the treasury as this will affect ALL Americans. Calling this POS a "good first step" is simply naive. It is a disaster.

Obama Spending Plan Underestimates Deficits, Budget Office Says - BusinessWeek

Originally Posted by Conservative

Here is something you better be thinking about instead of adding more debt to the treasury as this will affect ALL Americans. Calling this POS a "good first step" is simply naive. It is a disaster.

Obama Spending Plan Underestimates Deficits, Budget Office Says - BusinessWeek

Like I said, the budget is a problem, and it is one with or without healthcare reform. In the end, we will have to both make cuts and raise taxes. Who is running on that platform?