Grim17

Wrong on both counts! You really need to start getting answers yourself, instead of believing what other people say.

Watch the damned clip. Obama said he wanted a civilian military force, equipped the same if not better than our current military.

Next, he DEBUNKED the FEMA camps story. He did not buy into it. Watch it for YOURSELF and pay close attention at the 2 minute mark.

PogueMoran

Wrong again grimmy ive read the speech i go to the source while you rely on glenn beck. Once again give me the quote from obama where obama said he wants a civilian military force good luck finding it. He was talking about civilian national security increasing law enforcement increasing the americorps peace corp and the newly created usa freedom corp which is the volunteer initiative created under bush after 9/11 ive met some of these volunteers they give information to law enforcement when they see something suspicious that might be terrorism. This is a far cry from your private army myth.

I said beck looked into the fema death camps but he did many shows on them before he debunked it if only he did this with everything he talked about

Grim17

I didn't have to look far... It's right here on this very thread.

http://www.debatepolitics.com/bias-m...post1058353589 (The Daily Show: The 11/3 Project)

Obama said, and I quote:

"We can not continue to rely only on our military, in order to achieve the national security objectives that we've set. We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as powerful, just as well funded."

Here is the entire speech if you care to view it.



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Grim17

No, you didn't.

You said:

"HE" did not claim anything of the sort.

Doing 2 segments in 2 days debunking it, is not what anyone would call sweeping it under the rug, and since he did not buy into it in the first place, how exactly was he "full of ****"?

I believe a retraction is in order here. That is, if you have any integrity at all.

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PogueMoran

Ive listened to the whole speech once again the words he stated dont match your claim of him having his own private army. Civilian national security like law enforcement, the fbi as well as volunteers which is what bush had called for after 9/11 just as on the mta they call on civilians on their trains to report anything suspicious to mta cops. Youre stretching the truth how do you get from civilian national security to owning his own private army?
Thats quite a stretch of the imagination

PogueMoran

So you missed the part where i said he looked into it. On march 3rd 2009 he was on fox and friends talking about how he thought the death camps were real he did a 180 when he actually decided to look into it if only he did this with everything, you know actually use critical thinking skills and look into something he reports. He wouldnt need to use magical connections if he researched and paid attention to what he was looking at

Grim17

I can buy that... But it doesn't change the fact that he said it, and there was nothing wrong with Beck examining it.

If you watch Beck's show, you will see that he only lays things out for his audience to see, and asks them to check things out for themselves and come to their own conclusions. That's part of what I like about his show.

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PogueMoran

well obviously you didnt get the part where you were supposed to check things out for yourself because once again obama didnt say what you first claimed and that beck claimed that obama was raising a private army. This just shows either laziness by beck not to do research or a clear agenda. Just like beck failed to research saying no president had not been sworn in with a bible and that he checked it out. Either he lied about his research or was lying outright. Take your pick. Ive seen his show i used to watch him on cnn as well. Its just hard to watch him without laughing he reminds me of a paranoid schizophrenic how he makes random magical connections which have no basis in reality

Grim17

This is a case where you only have half the information. You go from the F&F's interview, to the night he does the show that debunks them, and you leave out everything in between.

He had his producers investigate the claims for the express purpose of debunking them, not proving them. He asked his producers to investigate the claims, and when he went on Fox and Friends March 2nd, his producers said that they couldn't debunk them as of then. He clarified his statement on his own show the next night, March 3rd, which was at least a week before he actually did the 2 shows where he debunked them, and stated very clearly he did not believe them personally.

See for yourself:

Grim17

Just on a side note... It is the kooks on the left that bought into this story during their unhinged rage against President Bush, so I don't quite understand why it is you want to glorify it. The FEMA camp story was right up their with the "9/11 was an inside job" crap the left spewed for so many years. I would think you would want to forget it, not remind everyone of the kooks on your side of the fence.

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