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Old 11-04-09, 07:14 AM   #21
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Re: The Myth of Objective Journalism

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Then why do you need me or someone else to do so for you? As you claim it is "easy" yet....................

Also WOW! Congrats on your complete dodge. You were looking for an 'atta boy' for doing the slow and lazy here? Why? Let me guess, because according to you, this was the intellectual approach? Good God why did you bother getting out of bed today?
Do you realise that I am posting from Australia and that when I google up "news" it is slanted to deal Australian news first?

It is difficult for me to choose a topic that would show the differences but should you choose to kick it off with something you feel is well presented by Fox I will endeavour to provide other slants on the same news from different sources - including some international ones
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Old 11-04-09, 08:52 AM   #22
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Re: The Myth of Objective Journalism

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It's not a stretch at all. It's called the News Hour on PBS. Or C-Span.

Agreed. Though it's sooooooooooo boring when pundits and interviewers don't yell at/over each other.
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Re: The Myth of Objective Journalism

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It's not a stretch at all. It's called the News Hour on PBS. Or C-Span.
don't forget Democracy Now.
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Old 11-04-09, 11:03 AM   #24
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At Fox, they make that bias part of the journalistic method, and don't pursue leads that argue their agenda.
So you keep saying, without examples, and those few you do provide usually turn out not to be true.

An interesting thing about last night's coverage, at least concerning the differences between Fox and MSNBC . . .

Fox had on numerous Democrats, including Bob Beckel and Joe Trippi, and they were both treated respectfully, with collegiality, whereas MSNBC's conservative guests were brow-beaten.

Fox stayed live through the evening, until midnight; MSNBC re-ran Olbermann's 8 o'clock hour at 10 pm after announcing it would be a live show (Olbermann apparently left the building).

Fox stayed pretty measured; Matthews was getting crusty; who knows what happened to Olbermann; and Matthews starting spinning this bizarre theory that Corzine's loss was a voter rejection of "Wall Street money."
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Re: The Myth of Objective Journalism

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Just for the heck of let's set aside all news agencies mentioned and imagine a brand new network that is going to revert back to the Who, What, When, Where, and How of all stories. In other words the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth.
aaannnd the Network failed because it couldn't compete with all the Infotainment. lol
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Old 11-04-09, 12:13 PM   #26
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Re: The Myth of Objective Journalism

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Do you realise that I am posting from Australia and that when I google up "news" it is slanted to deal Australian news first?

It is difficult for me to choose a topic that would show the differences but should you choose to kick it off with something you feel is well presented by Fox I will endeavour to provide other slants on the same news from different sources - including some international ones
Good for you, because as you already know, and using urban vernacular, that would be a START. As versus a wild arsed claim followed by a wild arsed dodge.
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Old 11-04-09, 01:32 PM   #27
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There is an easy way to test this - pick a random story and post an excerpt - one from Fox and one from another news source.
Headlines from a few major news sources today:

From CNN:
Analysis: Elections not a referendum on Obama
By Mark Preston, CNN Political Editor
November 4, 2009 1:24 p.m. EST

From MSNBC:
White House distances itself from vote losses
Says the races for governor hinged on local issues and were not a referendum on the president. Full story
First Read: Four lessons learned
Vote: What was biggest lesson?


From PBS online Newshour:
GOP Says Election Wins Show Rebirth
The Republican Party trumpeted wins in both the New Jersey and Virginia gubernatorial elections Tuesday as signs of the party's resurgence just a year after Barack Obama and the Democrats dominated the 2008 elections.


From BBC:
Democrats play down vote defeats

Victory speeches: Bob McDonnell, Chris Christie and Michael Bloomberg
US Democrats have played down their defeat to the Republicans in two key gubernatorial races.

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What it probably amounts to is that bias has been present in journalism since it's inception, because there are few people who can truly be objective. We all are biased based on our personal histories. I don't have a problem with bias in journalism, because I have a strong bias myself. To me, it's not a flaw. What I do like to see, though, is establishable facts put forth. I can come to my own conclusions if I have facts. Peoples' opinions are just that- opinions, and it doesn't hurt to consider other opinions.

As for investigative journalism, I believe there is a shortage of that these days, but I suspect that is due to a probability that many journalists are afraid of what they may find out- it may not support their own beliefs regarding what is happening in the world.
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Good for you, because as you already know, and using urban vernacular, that would be a START. As versus a wild arsed claim followed by a wild arsed dodge.
I rarely get accused of laziness or dodging a question because my usual modus operandi is to research first - but this time I was too unsure about the current news events and how they are being presented THERE. I have tried logging on to some of the live stream stuff only to get "Not available outside of America" So was, in this instance, despite trying, unable to do the requisite research that would have settled your contention. Your response, has been rude and accusatory, so, welcome to my ignore list
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Old 11-04-09, 03:34 PM   #29
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Headlines from a few major news sources today:

From CNN:
Analysis: Elections not a referendum on Obama
By Mark Preston, CNN Political Editor
November 4, 2009 1:24 p.m. EST

From MSNBC:
White House distances itself from vote losses
Says the races for governor hinged on local issues and were not a referendum on the president. Full story
First Read: Four lessons learned
Vote: What was biggest lesson?


From PBS online Newshour:
GOP Says Election Wins Show Rebirth
The Republican Party trumpeted wins in both the New Jersey and Virginia gubernatorial elections Tuesday as signs of the party's resurgence just a year after Barack Obama and the Democrats dominated the 2008 elections.


From BBC:
Democrats play down vote defeats

Victory speeches: Bob McDonnell, Chris Christie and Michael Bloomberg
US Democrats have played down their defeat to the Republicans in two key gubernatorial races.

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What it probably amounts to is that bias has been present in journalism since it's inception, because there are few people who can truly be objective. We all are biased based on our personal histories. I don't have a problem with bias in journalism, because I have a strong bias myself. To me, it's not a flaw. What I do like to see, though, is establishable facts put forth. I can come to my own conclusions if I have facts. Peoples' opinions are just that- opinions, and it doesn't hurt to consider other opinions.

As for investigative journalism, I believe there is a shortage of that these days, but I suspect that is due to a probability that many journalists are afraid of what they may find out- it may not support their own beliefs regarding what is happening in the world.

Again thank-you

Here is what I ended up with googling

news american local elections - Google News

As you can see I got the Afghan elections and Iranian elections mixed in!
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Old 11-04-09, 03:49 PM   #30
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Here is what I ended up with googling

news american local elections - Google News

As you can see I got the Afghan elections and Iranian elections mixed in!
Yes, the age of information has made this a small world.
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