Devil505

Have you read the plan?

Does it include coverage for people with pre-exisitng medical problems?

Lakryte

After all of what I said, you only responded to that? Read the articles I provided. Find out for yourself.

This was the original statement of yours that I responded to:
That is incorrect, as the "other side" has a healthcare reform bill too. The fact that the media ignores it does not mean it doesn't exist.
My purpose of giving you the plan was not to support it, it was simply to say that the GOP was not just saying "no" and actually does have an alternative plan. You lost this argument. I completely debunked your false claim that the GOP has no alternative plan. I see no further need for discussion.

Devil505

The GOP wants to kill any HC reform to "Break" Obama. Listen to the only honest GOP Senator...Jim DeMint.

Type all the Fairy Tales you want but we American voters Know the truth & threw most of you guys out of Washington last November for good reason..,..Next year we'll get rid of even more of you.

mpg

You don't even have the patience to watch a 14 second video? If you watched it you'd know that he didn't say what you claimed he said. He never said he wanted to kill "any" reform and he didn't use any similar words. That was the point that you guys were debating. You just cut your own throat.

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Lakryte

First of all, you cannot say that Republicans want to kill any healthcare reform when they have a healthcare reform bill. That is idiotic. Healthcare reform does not mean only the reform Obama and Democrats want. Hence, the Republicans have their own reform bill. You cannot deny that, it is fact. Would you like me to link you to the bill page again?

Second of all: That video does not say the GOP wants to kill healthcare reform...so FAIL. It said that the GOP wants to stop Obama's idea of healthcare from happening (government involvement), and believes that if Obama doesn't pass HIS idea of reform his presidency will be broken. I believe that to be correct.

I don't think the strongest pair of pliers in the world could open you mind.

"you guys"? Er...I'm not Republican, fyi. Who is spinning fairy tales now? This is your problem. You automatically make assumptions and then refuse to admit they were wrong even when there is incontrovertible evidence that your assumptions were false.

More of me? You can't get rid of me, sorry. And with the sheer arrogance you are displaying right now, you fail to notice that according to the polls, independents have switched their trust in parties back to the Republicans over Democrats on most issues.
Poll: Voters Trust GOP over Dems on 8 of 10 Key Issues - fox29 Blog post
Just you wait until the elections and see what happens. I have a feeling you will be very disappointed.

I think something else was cut out of his head...common sense. The facts are right there in his face and he STILL doesn't believe them.

buck

Just because I'm curious, do you really know what a pre-ex condition is? Most people really, dont understand what it is, or how it works.

For instance, what is the required definition of "pre-ex" in the context of a health policy purchased through an employer?

Devil505

Sure I can & just did!
The Repubs bill is a sham just to try to prove they want reform.......That's a lie...a dodge. They want to kill any HC reform & will always say it's just THIS bill they want to kill.....But any bill will just be THIS bill to them....Get it??

Of course it doesn't come right out & admit the truth, but they come pretty close to admiting it by saying they want to use Obama's HC reform to Break Obama.

OJ Simpson doesn't admit killing his wife either...But he did...Just as certainly as the GOP represent the HC Industry & want to save their buddy's profits...at our expense.



Oh right....Nobody admits to being a Repub anymore....Who do you guys think you're fooling by changing nothing but an "R" after your name??

RightOfCenter

Stupid thing to say. That's like blaming people from the South not understanding that Jeff Foxworthy is mocking them. It's funny because they get it.

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buck

So, I assume like most of the people i've talked with about this, you have no idea how pre-ex is defined or even why insurance companies use it. Just heard some politician talking about it, and figured you'd join their chorus.

It's really not as bad as the politicians have led you to believe. If the government chooses to offer a public "option" with no pre-ex limitations, I fear for the programs solvency even more then previously. The only way he program could possibly work without pre-ex limitations, is to force everyone to sign up for the public option from birth (not just fine them some small amount).

hammertime27

Pre-existing conditions cannot be excluded from anyone's healthcare/insurance plans, according to the new bill.

I still don't see the big deal of this. The public option is just that. An option. No one need not use it if they want. Private options will still be open for people to use if they really want to. And from what it sounds like most of the conservative and centrist people here would use private healthcare even if the public option WAS opened to them. If you think it's flawed, then DON'T USE IT. Stop mongering fear, and just DON'T USE IT.

Under Obama we have already seen the S&P index rise 12.7%. Apparently, something he's doing is working. And it seems to me that people are overreacting to something that really doesn't even apply to them, so they need to calm down and get a grip.