DrunkenAsparagus

While government spending's stimulative effect on the economy is debatable, the notion that the new costs of Obama's spending can be completely absorbed by the rich, as you and he claim, is absurd.

akyron

You obviously have not read any of the recent bills in congress.

Oh and Obama is Bush. Just with an X multiplier.



Patients First: What Is In The Bill?


I am for reform. This is not reform. This is a government takover just like the auto industry and the banks.

If the government was interested in reform they would take the best healthcare optioned most successful insurance company and analyze it, make improvements on, then duplicate and make it available in the medicaid and medicare system. Just remove the 65 age limit and done. Tax welfare for the payments as necessary. Thats milk thats already spilled.

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Devil505

Neither of us have claimed any such thing. That may be how Fox News reported it, but it is not true.

Here's what I recommend:

Watch Fox News to get the GOP spin

Watch MSNBC to get the Democrat's spin

split the difference & you are near the truth & then.....

Turn on CSPAN & make up your own mind.

DrunkenAsparagus

You're sh*tting me

Devil505

You said:

To which I said:
"95% of us average taxpayer will pay less than we did under Bush & we aren't paying the $4.00/gallon +...TAX that we paid when the Repubs ran things. Youi never hear these truths from Fox though...Do you?"

To which you responded:


With my above quote?? Show me where I (or Obama) claimed that all his spending would ...."be completely absorbed by the rich"......??????

(Sorry....Just sounds like Fox News SPIN to me)

Lakryte

First of all, if you are using an NBC article as your source for an article regarding FOX news I hope you realize it will be biased. Fox and NBC are ALWAYS at each other's necks.

But lets look at this "misinformation":

On the issue of illegal immigrants being covered, check these sources:
Will Health Insurance Reform Cover Undocumented Immigrants?
Here are the facts:

* Democrats intentionally left gaping loopholes in the healthcare bill that will allow illegal immigrants to receive taxpayer-funded benefits.
* The bill contains no verification mechanism to ensure that illegal immigrants do not apply for benefits. In fact, Democrats rejected an amendment to close this loophole.
* The bill leaves open the possibility that if one citizen family member is eligible for affordability credits, then the whole family including illegal immigrant family members, are also eligible for the credits.

Ranking Member Lamar Smith said, “The proposed healthcare scheme could force the American people to pay for the health care of illegal immigrants. This is another reason to oppose it.

Hmm...stupid FOX viewers, how DARE they question Obama....

On to Abortion:
Does House Healthcare Bill Fund Abortion? Depends on Whom You Ask - God & Country (usnews.com)
Oh, those STUPID Fox viewers! What idiots!

Public option can lead to full government control:
You do realize that this is possible...dont you? The bill doesn't have to specifically say that a single-payer system will be emplemented. It can still happen via competition. And private insurance companies can't print their own money or offer free care now, can they?
Oh, and I guess Obama changed his mind within a year. He said that he was a proponent of a single payer system. He then said "We may not get there immediately". Hmm...
Again, those FOX viewers really are incredibly stupid for thinking these things!

Rationing care:
Senate Committee Blocks Anti-Rationing Amendments The Foundry
Amendments designed to prevent this were rejected. Nearly every country with government run healthcare has problems with rationing care, notably GB and Canada.
How can Fox viewers be so STUPID?



There are so many "stupid" people out there, don't you agree?




Well I guess I'm one of them.

DrunkenAsparagus

I said NEW spending. You claimed that 95% of people were getting a tax cut. This means the rich would have to pay for the spending increases or Obama and you are wrong about 95% of the taxpayers getting a tax cut.

Devil505

Not true at all. If you listen to Obama's plan, much wasteful spending will be done away with & much of the new spending will provide new/renewed jobs which will (intern) create more tax money for the government at a lower tax rate for people earning less than $250,000.00/year. (my 40 yr old daughter will be working as a public school teacher again this year due to government money made available to pay her salary....& paying taxes that she wouldn't be paying if her job had been cut.)
Show me where Obama or I say that the rich will pay for everything??

Again....I say you're just "Spinning."

DrunkenAsparagus

And if you believe that the government can increase its scope to that degree and cut waste, you've been played. Politicians promise a lot of things

http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/102xx/doc...blesforWeb.pdf

Devil505

All politicians are not the same. Some actually are truthful. (Eisenhower & Truman pop into my mind.....& Churchill of course)