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Tea Party July 4th

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The Tea Party movement is becoming a national phenomenon. They started locally, in a few cities in a few states, just this year. But the idea is spreading as fast as the internet can take it. On April 15, tax day, there were 750 across the country. For July 4, there were 1,505. Now, a Sept. 12 taxpayer march on Washington is being planned. The number of local organizers running Tea Party groups has swelled to well over 2,000 throughout the 50 states. These could soon be the grassroots seeds of a third political party, one designed to reform government, and bring it back to basics.
Growing numbers at anti-tax 'tea parties' shows a fed up public - Mark DiIonno

The left in general has been acting as if nothing occured and it all didn't matter..it was small not worth your time etc.

Media bias in this is that clearly much of the media is intentionally underreporting this and as shown back during the April 15th rallies is not only overtly biased but in many respects childish to be nice.

Anyway its clear this isn't going away but in fact is growing as well as showing how biased the media reporting is atm. If it was 1/10ths the size but overtly in favor of Obama..it would have been headline news.
 
Sept 12th event sounds great. If I can scratch enough $$ together Ill join in.

I also agree that it has been under reported. I had just wondered why I had not heard about the july 4th tea party's and then I remembered we were still talking MJ 24/7.

Some of the left leaning networks have mentioned the tea parties but all in a negative (racist, bible thumper, gun slinging) light, at least what I have seen.
 
Isn't it just the slightest irony that not a single one of you Tea-baggers ever, and I mean EVER, protested the previous 8 years to Bush's economic policies of borrow...spend...borrow...spend.

Sorry to call the hypocrisy and ignorance card here, but the whole premise of this is so bloody childish and dishonest at the least. Take a look for example at what the DOD will spend for this year alone, $515.4 billion ( not including costs that will rise the actual expenditure to close to $600 billion). This is NOT about "keeping us safe" but military adventurism by chicken hawks who followed a disastrous policy. Iraq is a sinkhole of expense, and as we focused on Iraq and ignored Afghanistan, well we still have that to spend on. Go read [ame="http://www.amazon.com/Fiasco-American-Military-Adventure-Iraq/dp/B001E96KKK/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1247297523&sr=8-2"]Fiasco: The American Military Adventure in Iraq[/ame] by Thomas Ricks and [ame="http://www.amazon.com/Imperial-Life-Emerald-City-Vintage/dp/0307278832/ref=pd_sim_b_1"]Imperial Life in the Emerald City: Inside Iraq's Green Zone[/ame] by Rajiv Chandrasekaran to get a basic understanding of just how incompetant the handling of Iraq was, then go ask why it is such incompetance is given a free ride by YOU to the sum of [ame="http://costofwar.com/"]$686 billion[/ame] to date ([ame="http://www.nationalpriorities.org/cost_of_war_counter_notes"]sources here[/ame]). But it does not stop there:
Economist: Iraq war will cost up to $5 trillion
The Iraq war will cost Americans between $3 trillion and $5 trillion, including military spending, broader economic costs and decades of benefits and medical care for combat veterans, a Nobel prize-winning economist told the Joint Economic Committee on Thursday.

Shall we also ignore the fact that while under George Bush, we just had a bailout in the range of $700 billion?
Bush Defends Cost of Financial Bailout, Emphasizes Need for Quick Passage
Mr. Bush defended the government's proposed intervention --
estimated to carry an up-front price tag of $700 billion

Discussion of policy is always intelligent and vital, yet the hypocrisy that some display is beyond believable. This is hack partisan delusion. You are not standing on a single principle other than the fact the party label of the President has changed.

So, you want to through silly tax parties that stem from your protests against $754b in stimulus, yet you can so easily ignore the $700b Bush bailout of banks, and the $3-5 trillion in misadventure.

Well at least your team found those WMDs in Iraq right? Oops.
Well at least you caught Bin Laden right? Oops again.
 
1st off, who in the f*ck LIKES taxes? This is newsworthy how? This is an event why? Do any of these people realize how stupid it is to try and parallel this crap with the Boston Tea Party?

Save the teabags for your man-boy lover Hernando, plz

Oh no tax and spend dems! Well no better than borrow and spend reps!
 
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Isn't it just the slightest irony that not a single one of you Tea-baggers ever, and I mean EVER, protested the previous 8 years to Bush's economic policies of borrow...spend...borrow...spend.

Sorry to call the hypocrisy and ignorance card here, but the whole premise of this is so bloody childish and dishonest at the least.

I believe you cannot see anything further then "Obama is in office so it must be all about him". It is not. Alot of the unhappiness started in the bush years but like myself many hoped that with a new administration things would improve only to be let down when it became worse.

I am a conservitive and I will be the first to admit that Bush (particularly the last couple of years) did many things that I am agaisnt. Spending and bailouts being among them. It has nothing to do with a Dem being president what so ever its about the actions our government is taking. If Bush or any other Rep were in the WH I would still be as unhappy. I will also be the first to tell you I think we need to remove most of the Reps from washington as well.

Our country has always had a spend now worry about money later philosophy. The only thing different is the amount of spending. Us tea baggers are tired of this and believe our government has grown beyond it means. All we want is our government to be more responsible with our money preferably by cutting government spending and not rasing taxes.
 
I believe you cannot see anything further then "Obama is in office so it must be all about him". It is not. Alot of the unhappiness started in the bush years but like myself many hoped that with a new administration things would improve only to be let down when it became worse.

I am a conservitive and I will be the first to admit that Bush (particularly the last couple of years) did many things that I am agaisnt. Spending and bailouts being among them. It has nothing to do with a Dem being president what so ever its about the actions our government is taking. If Bush or any other Rep were in the WH I would still be as unhappy. I will also be the first to tell you I think we need to remove most of the Reps from washington as well.

Our country has always had a spend now worry about money later philosophy. The only thing different is the amount of spending. Us tea baggers are tired of this and believe our government has grown beyond it means. All we want is our government to be more responsible with our money preferably by cutting government spending and not rasing taxes.

I wish I could believe you on your sentiments here. I am not questioning you personally, but rather the motivations behind the whole tax rallies which are rather ridiculous in my opinion.

Nobody is going to argue that the budget submitted for this fiscal year was an ideal one, but then again we are simply NOT living in an ideal time. We happen to be currently in a economic collapse not seen since the Great Depression. The stimulus may not be perfect, but it is almost asinine to believe that not doing it would have been better. As I have pointed out, it seems quite disingenuous of many to have remain not just silent, but cheered mightily for President Bush for the whole 8 years. When people talk about the debt, I have to ask why then did they scream for joy at useless tax cuts from a surplus that should have been used to A.) Pay for all the expenses he would create or B.) Pay down the debt.

I would also take this a little more seriously if I had not seen a single picture or video of these rallies. Unfortunately case in point here:

10 Most Offensive Tea Party Signs

  • Obama's Plan = White Slavery
  • The American Taxpayers are the Jews for Obama's Ovens
  • Our Tax $ Given to Hamas to Kill Christian, Jews, and Americans.
  • Obama - What you talkin about Willis?
  • Obama Loves Taxes. Bankrupt USA. Loves Baby Killing
  • Barack Hussein Obama The New face Of Hitler
  • A black figure that resembles President Obama is portrayed slitting the throat of Uncle Sam
  • Barack Obama supports abortion, sodomy, socialism, and the New Word Order
  • Impeach Osama Obama AKA Hussein
  • R.I.P. U.S.A 7/4/76 - 1/20/09
  • Obama=Hitler
  • Obama Socialist Pig!
This is what I came up with doing a Google search. My favorite is the "Zero Taxes" which says all we need to know about the intelligence level of Tea-baggers in my opinion. So again these people had absolutely zero problem going to Iraq, blowing *#&@ up, then spending $3-5 trillion on re-building Iraq, yet they have a problem spending one third of that to rebuild here? I found it quite disturbing to say the least the amount of money we would send to Iraq just to see it wasted away through inefficiencies, corruption, incompetence, and stupidity. Yet where were these Tea-Baggers rallying to demand an accounting of the waste spent in Iraq?

Problem with these Tea-baggers is they want entitlements, but are unwilling to grasp the basic concept that you have to actually pay for them. Sorry but from what I have seen, none of these seem to be of an economic class that is comfortably sufficient as to NEVER need Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, public education, Pell Grants, etc..I know how classist this sounds, but f**k it, I have to say that I doubt many of these in the Tea-Bag rallies are even making over $100k, most appear to be in the lower economic strata where their tax rate is already freaking low.

Fact is Americans are already paying low taxes, you could actually argue honestly too damn low considering all they want:

Think your taxes are bad?

Believe it or not, Americans enjoy some of the lowest income tax rates in the world. Today of all days, it might not seem so.

When you look at the overall tax burden, the U.S. is quite low," said Eric Toder, a senior fellow at the Urban Institute in Washington, D.C., and former director of the office of research for the Internal Revenue Service.

For a family with one wage-earner and two children, only Iceland and Ireland have a lower income tax burden than the U.S., according to the most recent data for 2005.

Now compare where I lived for some time:
France 50.1% 41.7%
United States 29.1% 11.9%
Netherlands 38.6% 29.1%

Based on this data, get the sense as to why I might consider Americans to be whiny b**es? Oh, this doesn't include VAT....30% in France when I lived there.

Let us also not forget that we get essentially subsidized gas prices here. Go fill your tank on the Autobahn and expect to pay 4-5x.

Compared with other countries, gasoline a good deal in US

People are not willing to pay the actual costs of maintaining the very roads we need to drive on, and the bridges we drive over (remember the I-35W bridge collapse?). God forbid anyone ever suggest that we raise a measly .05% raise in taxes to pay for road construction.
 
How can anybody take anyone seriously who links to the Huffington Post to support distasteful signs from tea parties when only the first sign is shown and only alludes to reparations. Did Huffington Post need some hits?

How can anybody take anyone seriously who blasts the Bush administration for americans exercising their rights to get Obama's attention to stop the reckless spending. The Bush administration tried to get Fannie and Freddie reined in in 2007. The democrats had regained power in congress and blew them off. The purse strings were in democrat hands for two years before this financial crises. This, of course, doesn't excuse the Bush administration but they were executing a war and might have been a little distracted. The tea party information I saw was non partisan.

How can anybody take anyone seriously who has the time to spend to amass pages and pages of misinformation on the illegitimacy of tea parties and their being purely the work of radicals and racists. Is this person trying to restrict their civil rights? Did this person just call anyone who attended or wishes to attend a tea party demonstration or, God forbid, disagree with Obama, a radical or racist?

In my opinion this person is a party hack for the democrats and continues to suffer the post partem effects of Bush derangement syndrome.
 
How can anybody take anyone seriously who links to the Huffington Post to support distasteful signs from tea parties when only the first sign is shown and only alludes to reparations. Did Huffington Post need some hits?
You see those little arrows underneath the photos...click on them. Hey, you could always do your own Google search for "Offensive Tea Party Signs" or "Racist Tea Party Signs "

How can anybody take anyone seriously who blasts the Bush administration for americans exercising their rights to get Obama's attention to stop the reckless spending. The Bush administration tried to get Fannie and Freddie reined in in 2007. The democrats had regained power in congress and blew them off. The purse strings were in democrat hands for two years before this financial crises. This, of course, doesn't excuse the Bush administration but they were executing a war and might have been a little distracted. The tea party information I saw was non partisan.

And how can anybody take you seriously for being so ignorant.
Oxley hits back at ideologues
FT.com September 9 2008
the Ohio Republican who headed the House financial services committee until his retirement after mid-term elections last year, blames the mess on ideologues within the White House as well as Alan Greenspan, former chairman of the Federal Reserve.

The critics have forgotten that the House passed a GSE reform bill in 2005 that could well have prevented the current crisis, says Mr Oxley, now vice-chairman of Nasdaq.

He fumes about the criticism of his House colleagues. “All the handwringing and bedwetting is going on without remembering how the House stepped up on this,” he says. “What did we get from the White House? We got a one-finger salute.”

The House bill, the 2005 Federal Housing Finance Reform Act, would have created a stronger regulator with new powers to increase capital at Fannie and Freddie, to limit their portfolios and to deal with the possibility of receivership.

Mr Oxley reached out to Barney Frank, then the ranking Democrat on the committee and now its chairman, to secure support on the other side of the aisle. But after winning bipartisan support in the House, where the bill passed by 331 to 90 votes, the legislation lacked a champion in the Senate and faced hostility from the Bush administration.

Oh yes, Bush was so busy executing that war in Iraq...the one that should cost us over $3-5 trillion dollars. How ironic you do not have a problem giving Iraqis a "stimulus" bill of trillions to rebuild what we broke, yet you have an issue while we are in the worst economic disaster since the Great Depression. You do realize that a $774 billion dollar stimulus is less than $3-5 trillion right? Oh never mind that our DOD spending is over $600 billion.

To say the Tea-bagging signs are non partisan says a lot about your level of honesty or clarity.

How can anybody take anyone seriously who has the time to spend to amass pages and pages of misinformation on the illegitimacy of tea parties and their being purely the work of radicals and racists. Is this person trying to restrict their civil rights? Did this person just call anyone who attended or wishes to attend a tea party demonstration or, God forbid, disagree with Obama, a radical or racist?

Right to assembly, no problem. My right to call out morons...you want to infringe upon that now? If it is so much "misinformation" where are your facts, evidence, and sources to dispute? Oh wait...you have none? And we are suppose to take you seriously? Gotch ya

In my opinion this person is a party hack for the democrats and continues to suffer the post partem effects of Bush derangement syndrome.

Well well, how entirely to the point. You do not like the message, can not dispute the message, so you attack the messenger. Excuse me while I round up some violinists to cry you a river.
 
Hmm, When a poster is so upset and fearful to call the opposition morons and "tea baggers" we must be doing something right....


See Sam, we are for freedom, you are for servitude. simple as that.
 
Isn't it just the slightest irony that not a single one of you Tea-baggers ever, and I mean EVER, protested the previous 8 years to Bush's economic policies of borrow...spend...borrow...spend.

Sorry to call the hypocrisy and ignorance card here, but the whole premise of this is so bloody childish and dishonest at the least. Take a look for example at what the DOD will spend for this year alone, $515.4 billion ( not including costs that will rise the actual expenditure to close to $600 billion). This is NOT about "keeping us safe" but military adventurism by chicken hawks who followed a disastrous policy. Iraq is a sinkhole of expense, and as we focused on Iraq and ignored Afghanistan, well we still have that to spend on. Go read Fiasco: The American Military Adventure in Iraq by Thomas Ricks and Imperial Life in the Emerald City: Inside Iraq's Green Zone by Rajiv Chandrasekaran to get a basic understanding of just how incompetant the handling of Iraq was, then go ask why it is such incompetance is given a free ride by YOU to the sum of $686 billion to date (sources here). But it does not stop there:
Economist: Iraq war will cost up to $5 trillion


Shall we also ignore the fact that while under George Bush, we just had a bailout in the range of $700 billion?
Bush Defends Cost of Financial Bailout, Emphasizes Need for Quick Passage


Discussion of policy is always intelligent and vital, yet the hypocrisy that some display is beyond believable. This is hack partisan delusion. You are not standing on a single principle other than the fact the party label of the President has changed.

So, you want to through silly tax parties that stem from your protests against $754b in stimulus, yet you can so easily ignore the $700b Bush bailout of banks, and the $3-5 trillion in misadventure.

Well at least your team found those WMDs in Iraq right? Oops.
Well at least you caught Bin Laden right? Oops again.
Just because teabagging is your sexual preference, doesn't mean it's everyone elses. Bush reduced tax rates, there was nothing to protest. And plenty of us voiced our opposition to all the social spending that went on. Thanks for playing.
 
Hmm, When a poster is so upset and fearful to call the opposition morons and "tea baggers" we must be doing something right....


See Sam, we are for freedom, you are for servitude. simple as that.

So, you were fighting for our freedom from 2003-2008 then as well? You were so upset about our debt in 2003 you protested that the surplus should be used to pay down that debt, and not wasted on frivolous tax cuts? Or did you ever bother to protest the waste of money that was frittered away in Iraq? You must have been at the Tea-Bag party last fall right...oh wait, there wasn't one.

* Main Entry: dis·in·gen·u·ous
* Pronunciation: \ˌdis-in-ˈjen-yə-wəs, -yü-əs-\
* Function: adjective
* Date: 1655

: lacking in candor; also : giving a false appearance of simple frankness : calculating

— dis·in·gen·u·ous·ly adverb
— dis·in·gen·u·ous·ness noun

You know if the same bunch of wingnuts would have voiced anything the previous 8 years, they could actually be taken seriously. They could also be taken serious if any of them actually paid high taxes (or as previously pointed out a truly high tax rate such as France). The irony is of course most of these people are of an economic class that pays next to nothing in taxes...and they are the whiners. Brilliant.
 
So, you were fighting for our freedom from 2003-2008 then as well? You were so upset about our debt in 2003 you protested that the surplus should be used to pay down that debt, and not wasted on frivolous tax cuts? Or did you ever bother to protest the waste of money that was frittered away in Iraq? You must have been at the Tea-Bag party last fall right...oh wait, there wasn't one.

* Main Entry: dis·in·gen·u·ous
* Pronunciation: \ˌdis-in-ˈjen-yə-wəs, -yü-əs-\
* Function: adjective
* Date: 1655

: lacking in candor; also : giving a false appearance of simple frankness : calculating

— dis·in·gen·u·ous·ly adverb
— dis·in·gen·u·ous·ness noun

You know if the same bunch of wingnuts would have voiced anything the previous 8 years, they could actually be taken seriously. They could also be taken serious if any of them actually paid high taxes (or as previously pointed out a truly high tax rate such as France). The irony is of course most of these people are of an economic class that pays next to nothing in taxes...and they are the whiners. Brilliant.





Wow, Another vapid loud mouthed liberal... Oh joy. :roll:


Yes, I was against increased spending. And I am for smaller tax cuts. I have always stated Bush spent way too much, feel free to search the forums so you don't look like a raving partisan yapping about nonsense you are clueless about.... :2wave:
 
So, you want to through silly tax parties that stem from your protests against $754b in stimulus, yet you can so easily ignore the $700b Bush bailout of banks, and the $3-5 trillion in misadventure.
The $787 Billion of the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act is a lot of spending but no stimulus. Personally, I get peeved when a bunch of lunatic liberals led by Dear Leader decide to flush $787 Billion of my tax dollars down the drain.

While the $700 Billion TARP bill was highly objectionable, highly questionable, and of dubious constitutionality, it is worth noting that Dear Leader's disciples use the recent efforts of banks to return those funds as proof of the program's efficacy and the improved health of the financial sector.

You have to choose one side or the other (unless you invoke the Kerry Kode of being for something before being against something), so if you argue the efficacy of the bailouts it is fatuous to criticize anyone for not criticizing TARP. If you argue against the efficacy of the bailouts, then your challenge to folks who criticize the porkulus bill but did not criticize TARP under Bush has merit, although how one can criticize TARP and not the porkulus bill escapes me--at least TARP made some effort to be timely and targeted, if not altogether temporary, whereas the porkulus bill has none of those qualities.

(Trivia note: the advocate for "temporary, timely and targeted" stimulus was none other than Dear Leader's NEC chair, Larry Summers; guess that didn't comport well with Rahmbo Emmanuel's desire not to let a good crisis go to waste)

Well at least your team found those WMDs in Iraq right? Oops.
Well at least you caught Bin Laden right? Oops again.
Talk about irony. When monday morning quarterbacking the Bush Administration, it's "your team", but when folks weigh in on the manifold shortcomings and incompetencies of Dear Leader's reign of error, it's "we should all get behind him so this country succeeds" or some similar pile of dog feces.

If the Bush spending was wrong, how is Dear Leader's spending not ten times worse? If the Bush bailout bill was, as one Republican in Congress observed, a "crap sandwich," how is Dear Leader's porkulus bill not a feast of feces?

Dear Leader properly gets the brunt of the tea party protest commentary for one simple reason: he's the President now, not Bush. When you attack ongoing policies of spend spend spend, you attack the man who is in the Oval Office, not the man who was in the Oval Office. Sure, some of the spending worthy of protest was due to Bush and not Dear Leader. That does not make Dear Leader's continuation of those policies of spend spend spend automatically right.

If you don't want your beloved but benighted Dear Leader to be contemned for furtherance of corruptocracy in government, get him to mend his ways, stop his bailouts and non-stimulus spending sprees, focus on instead doing the right thing for this country and its economy: shrink federal spending, shrink federal debt, shrink federal taxes, and shrink federal government. When Dear Leader does that, he will no longer be worthy of America's spittle.
 
Yes, conservatives were SOOOOO against the Bush spending that they voted for Bush in 2004 :roll:

That's like saying you are against child molestation, all the while given the molester a van, lollipops, and pointing him to the nearest elementary school.
 
Yes, conservatives were SOOOOO against the Bush spending that they voted for Bush in 2004 :roll:


Obama has proven, when it comes to spending, the Republicans like Bush are a lesser of two evils....


That's like saying you are against child molestation, all the while given the molester a van, lollipops, and pointing him to the nearest elementary school.




So you are saying the democrats are child molesters.



Kinda a retarded statement on your part.
 
We were in St. Augustine over the weekend of the 4th, and got to witness their Tea Party.

I'd be a lot more in favor of this movement if it hadn't been co-opted by the extreme far right. One of the protesters in St. A had a black mannequin propped up by the side of the road with 666 on his head.

Yeah...that's productive. :roll:

Boyfriend and I had a long conversation about how there are a lot of legitimate concerns about the current state of affairs with our government, but the fact that this movement has been taken over by the Becksters leads us to have little or nothing in common with most tea partiers.

We aren't interested in villifying Obama, we ARE interested in responsibile change and dealing with our national debt and overspending.
 
We aren't interested in villifying Obama, we ARE interested in responsibile change and dealing with our national debt and overspending.
Would you agree that a good start on responsible change would be for the Federal government to stop spending money it doesn't have?
 
Yes, conservatives were SOOOOO against the Bush spending that they voted for Bush in 2004.
One question, with a "Yes" or "no" answer:
Do you believe the spending plans of the current Administration and the current Congress to be prudent and proper?

No need to explain, just answer "yes" or "no".
 
ABSOFRICKENLUTELY. I did not support either stimulus package.
So if Congress floats a third stimulus package you will write your congressman and senators and tell them to vote against it?
 
So if Congress floats a third stimulus package you will write your congressman and senators and tell them to vote against it?

Yes. Exactly as I did the first two times. And, as my Congresscritter is a blue dog democrat, I have some degree of confidence that he will vote against these measures.
 
Yes. Exactly as I did the first two times. And, as my Congresscritter is a blue dog democrat, I have some degree of confidence that he will vote against these measures.
Excellent!

Now we need to persuade or remind a few million other Americans to do likewise.
 
We were in St. Augustine over the weekend of the 4th, and got to witness their Tea Party.

I'd be a lot more in favor of this movement if it hadn't been co-opted by the extreme far right. One of the protesters in St. A had a black mannequin propped up by the side of the road with 666 on his head.

Yeah...that's productive. :roll:

Boyfriend and I had a long conversation about how there are a lot of legitimate concerns about the current state of affairs with our government, but the fact that this movement has been taken over by the Becksters leads us to have little or nothing in common with most tea partiers.

We aren't interested in villifying Obama, we ARE interested in responsibile change and dealing with our national debt and overspending.




One shouldn't always look at the fringe of a group for its core values...


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