hazlnut

Thank you for expanding on my correct answer.

Careful, Zyphlin, when visiting the MM site not to actually view any of their analysis of conservative media. Just grab a few quotes from their 'About Us' page and run for your dear life. You wouldn't want any information critical of your own views to pierce your eyeballs.

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This has been my contention all along, with all the hysteria over the "left wing media". I think media is profit driven, not bias driven. The bias comes from the attempt to make profits.

Besides, any one dumb enough to accept anything the media presents just because the media presents it deserves to be misled by biases.

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It' a george soros front group. Lets not pretend it simply is vetting conservative media, which I have no problem with.


Its the agenda behind the criminal soros that makes MM a very iffy group to me.

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Zyphlin

I've read their views and analysis on conservative media. I read the one that was posted in this thread. I've read them previously about Rush and the Fox controversy, the "Obama Fail" controversy, and others.

I have no issue looking at things outside of my general view point. I dare say I've viewed far more huffington post stories than I have WND ones. I sepcifically avoided Fox during the entire campaign, watching CNN and MSNBC primarily.

Only issue with Media Matters is I actually like HONEST disent to my ideas. There's a number of liberal posters on here I've had great conversations with, some that have even softened me in some ways on my own views. Media Matters however is as worth while in my mind as something like the American Spectator is. Seriously, there's enough ****ty hyper partisan, unthinking analysis of politics done by some of the people on this forum on both sides that I need to go out of my way to find a site that says it.

Seriously, saying they're "liberal" only in that they don't focus on MSNBC as much is like saying Rush Limbaugh is "conservative" only in that he focuses on Democrats primarily.

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hazlnut

I know Zyphlin.

I just like the imagery of information piercing our eyeballs.

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Can I ask why you did this?

Zyphlin

See, I generally disagree with this. Had an interesting conversation with one of my liberal friends that I hit happy hour with the other day.

I think everyone in the media has some form of a bias. Its only natural. Everyone generally has a political swing in some form or another. I also think that in general the media reporting on political events are more likely to be anything but apolitical than an average American.

I think its a bit of a ridiculous notion to think that these biases don't affect people. I have never, in my entire life, met ANYONE that can be 100% objective 100% of the time both consiously and subconsiously. The question then becomes how much these biases influence people both on a consious and unconsious level.

What story you're interested in reporting, what angle of that story, what the headline is, what bits of commentary you use, what kind of words do you use and tone do you set, and on and on. All little things that can easily be subconsiously affected.

Additionally, we know from reputable studies that the majority of the media identifies themselves as more left leaning than right. So if my above statements of opinion are correct that would mean, in general, in the media there is more likely that a liberal bias is going to be the thing affecting someone than conservative.

Now, as my friend pointed out, your big boys of nightly news...your Brian Williams and such...are likely trying their hardest to try and remain subjective. However, your secondary reporters, your minor guys in news papers, etc, are likely far less focused on it.

Does this mean the news media is attempting to "Push a left wing agenda" as if it is some kind of giant conspiracy? I don't believe so. I do agree with you, at its heart the news has became essentially a form of business and ratings for the most part matter. But I DO believe it leads to a bit of a "liberal bias" in certain portions of the media simply due to the natural tendancies of the people doing these reports. A liberal minded reporter is more likely to look at a story from a liberal world view, a liberal point of view on the story, with their liberal values influencing their thoughts on it. All of which is completely understandable, but is likely to affect how the story is presented in some fashion.

I sincerely believe that you can look at ANY story and likely view it as two or three or four or more different stories based on your own experiences, world view, and pre-concieved notions.

I think profit drives news as an over arching entity, I believe individual peoples world views and thoughts drive the individual news stories and how they're presented.

So while I DO think, overall, there is a "liberal media bias" I don't generally subscribe to it like most typical Conservatives (which funnily enough seems to be where the new wave of hyper partisan democrats are stealing their talking points from) that believe that the media is the "propoganda arm" of the DNC and is some giant conspiracy where the whole of them are pretty much trying to steer policy and a political agenda. While I do think there are undoubtably some that do, I think on majority it is a much more benign, subconsious, form of "bias".

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Now, I remember reading somewhere that while most reporters identified themselves as liberal, most producers, editors, and owners of media are conservative. You don't think that tends to balance out this unintended bias?

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