Jlinkos

Man where do I begin with itstakentoo.

This all started on a discussion about alternative energy sources.

He's all over the place making claims with nothing to back them except a FED conspiracy theory.

And I think his stupidity should be shared on a public forum because he is way out there now in trying to explain his own warped view of reality.

I'm going to post the messages he sent me as separate posts on this thread so 1 post doesn't become too long.

Just as a heads up, expect the following:

This guy claims there is no liberal bias in the mainstream media and the bias that is there is conservative.

Note this guy (who I have nicknamed Swiss Cheese) ignores every link and fact that I have given him.

Wraps almost all his arguments on a FED conspiracy theory.

So here they are for your viewing pleasure.

Jlinkos

sent to me on July 9, 2008

"How does it debunk his rant. Nothing you typed has any kind of historical or factual evidence. You really think solar power and wind power is going to replace oil? What kind of logic do you have itstakentoo? I mean you seriously need not to just think but the proverbal "get a friggen clue". If no one in the world has discovered a possible replacement for oil in the past 50 years, then it's not going to pop out of your proverbial "ass" like you seem to believe"

Hey, looks like the screaming retard disabled comments. His rant is about him not wanting the government getting involved in developing a new energy tech. EROEI, means energy returned on energy invested, did you at least google it before you put your foot in your mouth? As you point out solar and wind won't work. I do not know why you would think I "seem to believe" they will work. This is a straw argument you made up in your head because you can win it. Stupid people use Straw.

The Government seems to be the only entity that is set up to try to fix this problem. IE University labs that owe their existence to the gov't.

Did you watch his stupid yelling video? Or even really read my original post? How does this not debunk him when you yourself admit the current renewables wont cut it? Do we leave something as important as energy creation to the money men alone?

Both of your posts when read after mine by anyone who knows how to think criticly will look really stupid. As I said before think 1st.

Wow I just read your last posts. Do you really think:
"Why are we even questioning the validity of these statements? Of course the "mainstream media" is liberal."
is any kind of argument. Why because Rush and Sean say so everyday?
Man you are dumb you have drank deeply of the conservative kool aid. I gave a perfectly valid reason why the media is not liberal and you put that up for the world to see. hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

You are a mental midgit. Nowhere in my post does it say I believe in the current renewables in fact my post 1st post says exactly the opposite of that.

This PROOF of your lack of comprehension/critical thinking skills is why the conservatives have such a hold on you. Let me translate that for you: You can't think and have been brainwashed.

You are definitly a child that was left behind.

Jlinkos

sent to me on July 10, 2008

You are very weak. Name a liberal major corporation. Corps are designed to maximize profits. Do you think that is a liberal idea? Do you really think that this time I will let you make my arguments for me. I havn't yet have I. Every one of your posts is a straw argument you made up in your head.

Show me where I claim all rich people are conservatives. Show me where I claim don't want to "let the private markets continue to work towards hybrid technology as it has been"
Show me where I claim I am against domestic drilling. Hell show me where I claim to be a liberal I have not once let my personal beliefs into this argument (except about your dumbness of course) and you have assumed my beliefs and then argued against your assumption in every one of your posts. This is hilarious. How can someone be so dumb. This is the third time I have pointed this out. hahahahahahahaha

Did you even notice my point about research facilities that owe their existence to the gov't? The gov't has been researching tech's and turning over their findings to buisness for a century. Should this stop because of some screaming idiot on youtube? This is how most major problems have been solved in the USA.

History does not show industry solves most tech problems alone.
See above. The gov't usually solves the problem and industry implements the solution.

Your first post ignored the point in the bulk of my first post then claimed I did not make a point except for the Fox News/needs learn to think for himself part. it has gone down hill for you from there. It is just to bad the screaming idiot disabled comments so I can't keep pointing out how dumb you are for the whole world to see.

The dumbing down is complete in your case.

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BTW, money is capitol The gov't takes money in the form of many different taxes from its citizens. If money is capitol and the gov't takes money in taxes then the gov't must have capitol. Also the gov'ts job under the constitution is to protect the general welfare of the citizens. What is going to happen to the "general welfare" if we have a major power down.

This last is the dumbest yet. You actually built a straw argument you can't even win. DOH

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This is awesome. My coworkers are cracking up at how dumb you are. Of course one woman did point out that young people being so stupid does not bode well for our future. All of my co workers are conservatives.

Jlinkos

sent to me on July 11, 2008

CBS is not liberal no major media is. The Federal Reserve Bankers own controlling interest in all the banks that own controlling interest in the 7 major media companies. Do you think any Federal Reserve Bankers are liberal? This includes ViaCom which owns CBS. I will ask again do you own anything that operates outside your belief system? If you look at CBS next to Fox it may seem liberal. That does not make it liberal. The primary recency effect states that people remember the first and last thing they hear while forgetting what is in the middle. This is taught in every public speaking class offered. All major media gives conservatives the first and last word most of the time. Keep an open mind and you can easily notice this. This is now 3 points for you to ignore.

1. Federal reserve bankers are not liberal and they own the media.
2. People who own things do not let them reflect the opposite view.
3. the primacy recency effect.

The statement that corporations are conservative is not the same as ALL corporations are conservatives. its not even close to the same thing. I shop at Mothers Natural Foods they are a very liberal corporation. All media corporations are however conservative. Again do you own anything that operates outside your belief system.

Also when it comes to media being conservative or liberal you can't count opinion and commentary. You obivously don't understand this or your whole making money off liberal markets comment would not even be there. Look at the hard news and show me one thing that is liberal.

Your mumbo jumbo about taxpayer money and the gov't having no capitol. Do they take money from your check? They do from mine + I send them a check every 3 months the second they cash it that capitol is no longer mine. Whose is it? Common sense would hold it belongs to whoever controls it. The taxes you pay belong to the gov't it is their capitol whether you or anyone else likes it or not. Do you really believe because you don't like it spending your taxes certain ways the gov't has no capitol?
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"I mean seriously, you sit there on your computer watching the CBS, NBC, CNN, ABC's and actually believe the government invented oil, electricity, the engine, the steam boat, cars, the airplane, computers, you probably believe Al Gore invented the internet, and the list goes on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on from major inventions to the smallest invention like the toothbrush and dental floss."

Once again I have not let my beliefs into this argument. This is the 4th time I have pointed this out. Did you you think that this time I would not notice? dork hahahahahahahahahahahaha

"You ask: Show me were I don't want to "let the private markets continue to work towards hybrid technology as it has been". Answer - from your 1st post on bob's video "The new tech is not here yet and the Gov't is the only entity with the capitol to find it if it exists" and from the 1st private message you sent me "The Government seems to be the only entity that is set up to try to fix this problem."

I am at a loss as to where anything says not to let the private sector work? stating the gov't is the only one that can hope to fix a problem of this magnitude is not the same as not letting the private markets work towards a goal. I could care less if the private sector makes rubber dog ****, porno, or searches for a new form of energy.. Do you even know what critical thinking is?

Research Labs < U.S. Government in the Yahoo! Directory

That is a list of gov't research labs. They research all kinds of stupid things. Ranting about not the gov't not researching about something as important as energy is just dumb. Like you.

Just a few things gov't research or funding helped make possible.

The CPU you are reading this on.
The light bulb
AC electricity
The transistor
velcro
the green revolution
nuclear power
bone marrow transplants
Vaccines for countless diseases...

I could go on. Do you think no private entity has profited off of these things? Shouldn't the taxes that made that profit possible be considered an investment? Have you ever had a logical thought?

Lastly, you may want to ask yourself if the screaming idiot only blocked me so he could stop me from kicking your ass in his comments section. Whether you believe it or not you were looking bad.

Give it up you are out of your league. poof

Jlinkos

sent to me on July 11, 2008

You cannot really feel good about the way this exchange has gone. You have taken this conversation all over the map in your attempt to convey something intelligent. You have failed miserably so far but keep it up this is a great laugh for me.

I'll start with the Obama Crap

"1) Why did no "mainstream" news outlet cover the Obama-Wright story until after Obama's Philly speech"?

Trying to put a timeline on the fact that the mainstream media spent weeks skewering Obama about a non issue like Wright to prove the media is liberal is just dumb. Who cares about a speech in Philly not me. What difference does it make if Obama is muddied in the eyes of the people now or later? The media tore down both Dems in the race. In fact one could posit that the Dems were FED Obama (a black man with a muslim name) and Hilary (a woman clearly hated by half the country) by the mainstreet media in a desperate attempt to keep their Republican puppets in power. Personally I don't know anyone who wanted either of these losers in the beginning anyway.

"2) Why did it take 4 months for Obama to be questioned about his association with Reverend Wright by one of the "mainstream" news organizations (ABC)? By the way, you probably don't know this but the moderator (Stephanopoulos) who asked those questions gets slammed by all the major news networks (except Fox). Why would that be?"

Most of this question is the same question as above just re-worded. Man are you dumb.
As for Stephanopoulos being slammed by mainstream media?
Upon googling
"Stephanopoulos"+"obama"+"wright"
I found no mainstream media doing any such thing and therefore must assume you lie like a rug.

"3) When Obama's San Francisco "bitter" and the "57 states" remarks were aired on Fox, it took 3 days for any other news outlet other than CNN to make a story on it? Can you elaborate on this? And the funny thing is they didn't air any additional stories again after the first time. Why would that be"?

Maybe the story had to build momentum, I bet many editors and producers are suprised when many stories don't take off. This is a logical explanation. Political campaigns move at tremendous speed and most quotes slip out of the news cycle fast. Also am I just to take your word CNN only aired it once? Your track record is not so good in the intellectual honesty department. poof
Also it is essentially a repeat of your first question. But I will give you props that it at least it involves something OBAMA SAID HIMSELF. People are only responsible for their own actions. (can you figure out where I may go with your next dumb Q?) I have quite a few friends and acquaintance that say and do dumb things. I like them, they make me laugh. Like you. hahahahahahahahahaha

4) Why hasn't a prime time story of Obama's associations with William Ayers (who was a national terrorist) been discussed yet on any of the major news networks?

See above + Whether you like it or not Ayers is a respected University College Prof. Obama evidently met him on a commitee. Have you ever been on a commitee? I have been on several. I have never had any input whatsoever on who the other members are.
In case you have not figured it out yet I don't watch TV, look what I found on the CBS news website though.
The Bad Company Of Barack Obama, National Review Online: The Senator's "Change" Would Radically Alter This Country - CBS News
See above about your intellectuall honesty problem. Crash and burn dumbass.

"You are still resorting to the same idea that "corporations are conservative". The funny part is you still cannot prove this and you have yet given me give me any fact that does prove this".

Proving or providing facts on if someone/thing is liberal is not really possible. If you had any logic you would know that and refute my three points that lead in that direction in the last message. Instead you resort to saying the exact same thing as you said last time and the time before that again. This is not how you win a debate. Poof.

"The fact that corporations own media outlets is irrelevent because it's the people running the corporations that take it where they want to go. Like I said in an earlier post, if CBS, NBC, CNN, ABC, New York Times, etc can make a profit promoting liberal viewpoints, then they are going to continue to do it".

You keep posting this. I have asked you at least 8 times if you OWN ANYTHING THAT OPERATES OUTSIDE YOUR BELIEF SYSTEM.
This is a valid question.
Also the hard news is what matters. Less than 20% watch/read/listen to any political op/ed stuff or are even a little politically aware. Most of the aware people are politically set in stone so OP/ ED does not have that much effect. Of course opinion pages reflect the niche market they serve, Captian Obvious. Over 70% watch the local news and read the front page. Look it up. There is not much liberal on the local news or the front page of any local paper. Most hard news is conservative.I will let you slide on the Primacy Recency Effect because that is probably a pretty hard concept for a pea brain like you.

"The government research centers as I've said before are funded by the taxpayer. Anything funded by the government is funded by the taxpayer. Honestly, you still don't understand the logic in this. And you wonder why I call you Swiss Cheese".

You said this before. Does saying it again make it true? I believe I stated when the gov't cashes my checks they control the capitol. Its theirs. This is a valid real world argument. Repeating yourself and calling someone Swiss Cheese without even attempting to poke holes in their argument is silly. It is to bad this is not in the public forum because you look soooooooooo dumb. This is also banker mantra that the gov't spends OUR money. The corp media don't want to pay their fair share so they spouts this in an attempt to keep the people from accepting the FACT that taxes are your PAYMENT to live in civilized society. When you pay your light bill does the electric company have "your" money or did it become theirs? You asking anyone about logic is hilarious. ahahahahahahahahahaha

I can explain this over and over, but you could never still comprehend that it isn't who owns the media outlets, it's the message they are giving you that makes it liberal/conservative/whatever. When the New York Times comes out and endorses Barack Obama for the Democratic nomination and John McCain for the Republican nomination, that's liberal bias seeing as they are both the most liberal of their own parties? That's just another example to add to the 4 that I gave you.

First until you at least attempt to answer these Q's:
DO YOU OWN ANYTHING THAT OPERATES OUTSIDE YOUR BELIEF SYSTEM?
OP/ED IS ALMOST IRRELEVENT ONLY HARD NEWS REALLY MATTERS.
You should STFU on this.
BTW, The NEW YORK TIMES endorsed the Senator from "NEW YORK" Hilary Clinton for the Democratic nomination for president. Do you ever think? Ever?
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"I mean the fact you even made the statement of corporate owned media in your earlier YouTube post in a discussion involving oil prices and alternative sources of energy, shows where your thought process takes you - which is way off topic".

As I said before you have taken this conversation all over the map in an attempt to get something right and failed miserably. See below about Edison becoming GE as an example.

"The government didn't create the anything else on your list, not even with the funding they did provide".

No where do I say they did. The "create" word is yours once again you are creating a straw argument you can win. I never ever let these slip by so stop trying stupid.
That said. (again) The model for research and development has been that corproations wait for government funded facillities to show some progress and then they jump in and take over. This history applies to the whole list with the exception of the light bulb. But the US federal gov't along with the state of NY did pay for over half the funding of the Menlo Park labratory where it was perfected. The National Science a fully federally funded institution is offering many many millions of $$$ in computor research funding as we speak.

"You probably don't realize this but Edison's company would eventually merge with others and become GE".

What could this possibly have to do with this conversation? Poof.
ahahahahahahahahah Your BS about Fox's ratings fall into the same catagory. Besides I don't trust polls or ratings. Everything is to intertwined. It is in their interest to keep stupid people like you thinking your views are popular.

And I could go on and on about the success of America's private market, but you would just ignore the history of it.

Show me one place where I have claimed the US private market's have not been a success. The Federal Reserve bankers are having huge success in stealing our wealth. Just because they are thieves does not mean the private market is bad. It just need a different monetary system that does not benefit the top 1% at the expense of the bottom 50%. Will you ever stop throwing straw? Making up my side so you can win the argument is just stupid.

The best part of this whole things is I have no personal position at all in this whole liberal conservative divide and conquer claptrap bull****. I couldn't give a good god damn **** about it all of it. You just keep typing dumb things. So I just keep kicking your ass because its fun.
For the Record I am a doomer I think our society is about to fall down and huge changes are coming. The true definition of liberal is in a nutshell, change. I do not believe the top 1% or even the top 10% will be allowed to keep more than a small % of their wealth. There is about to be a much smaller pie and people need to live. Populism will come because the only real alternative as I see it Fascism and the US military has no interests at all in their stateside families living in a fascist state. Try to remember just because I believe these things will happen does not mean I want them to. You really need to learn to seperate what you percieve someone to believe from what they conveyed.

If you would like to declare victory and move on go for it. My collegues who are all semi conservative sure wish you would. hahahahahahhaahahah It is slow around here though and I don't have anything better to do. You are cracking me up and giving me endless ammunition to fire at them.You can not seem to wrap your mind around any kind of concept whatsoever. Do not feel so bad. The avg IQ in the USA is around 100 many many people though have an IQ of 120. Following the laws of avg that means many many people have an IQ of 80 you are obivously one of these people. Lower IQ people are more gullible this is proven out by the over 40 studies which have proven the higher the IQ the less likely a person is to believe in the god of 2000 year back desert nomads. Gullible low IQ people (like you) are more likely to believe things with no basis in logic or fact as long as it is repeated enough times. Can you say Fox News. This can be the only explanation as to why you ignore my points and repeat yourself over and over. Just because repitition works on you does not mean it works on everyone.

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YOU ARE WONDERFUL FOR MY AT WORK MORALE.

Jlinkos

sent to me on July 11, 2008

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"and thank you for again ignoring the facts I posted and trying to give your illogical opinions and other faulty facts to try to discredit them"

I will ask again what facts? You have posted no facts or even ideas. You have repeated blanket statements over and over again and totally ignored my answers as you have done once again with this post.

"with all the ahhaahh's from this post and your previous ones, you now sound more and more like a little kid trying to have his way but failing completely. I expect the next post to have even more childish remarks".

AAAhahahahahahahahahaha, Stop typing such dumb things its too funny

"the media tore down both the dems you say? Then why did the stuff I post happen? See these are the facts you will keep ignoring. Your doing what JoeMarasmus did, you ignore completely the reality of what actually happened and instead give your opinions on why you think these clear biases don't matter".

What stuff did you post? You mean where you gave me examples of the media attacking Obama for no reason and then tried to pretend some kind of timeline matters. The fact we are debating it means it got out. Your points help prove the fallacy of a liberal media is this so very hard to understand? I pointed this out earlier. I have no idea who joemarsmus is. You are making enoug dumb statements here I don't need to read more elsewhere.


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Just curious itstakentoo, how is it that basically your only argument against a conservative/moderate/independent/non-liberal thinker is well - sounds like Fox News talking points to me? I find it quite amusing that that little statement always crops up when liberals try to debunk someone. You'll probably say this post is a Fox News talking point. Here's one for you - Fox News talking point!!! - you drink too much coolaid provided by the mainstream media. LOL

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My comments on EROEI are my argument and efficiently debunk his rant. Pointing out he can't seem to think for himself is just icing on the cake. I could understand your comment if I had only written the last two sentences. Are you just dumb or were you hoping I would not notice? I think it is the former seeing how you believe the corporate owned mainstream media is liberal. Corporations are conservative. How many things do you own that operate outside of your belief system. Think 1st next time.

See after saying what bob says is "Fox News talking points", and counter with my post saying you are giving a childish remark like that, you then immediately retort with "seeing how you believe the corporate owned mainstream media is liberal."

In your post you called me a liberal and then accussed me of drinking major media Kool-Aid. I would say you opened a door for my Corporate media remarks. Also don't think I dont recognize we are back to square one here. Your post tried to make fun of me but looked really stupid because you ignored my my point and started your whole insult on a false precept.
"Just curious itstakentoo, how is it that basically your only argument against a conservative/moderate/independent/non-liberal thinker is well - sounds like Fox News talking points to me" My argument was about EROEI. If you went to all the trouble to cut and paste this why not include my original comment? Did you think I woud forget what I said.? POOF

"your too ****ing stupid to REALIZE I was making fun of you in my very first post by retorting your liberal remark with the most common used conservative retort of "mainstream" media coolaid"

I noticed right away your name has moderate in it. I know you believe yourself to be one. You are not. You betrayed yourself with all your views. Expecially about Fox News ratings. I think you do really believe you are a moderate but you are just too dumb to know you're not. Besides if this is all some misunderstanding you would not have kept coming back to be slapped down.

"I mean really, your posts are getting so off topic now that even I'm having a hard time keeping up. Now your talking about people IQ's instead of trying to justify your own illogical beliefs with facts and historical evidence. Instead you give me IQ tests. Like I said before, Swiss Cheese".

Insults have been part of this since the beginning. That was just a long one. I must admit i'm suprised you did not try to argue it but to not catch on its an insult looses you any points you get for not arguing it. hahahahahaha

If you really think you have done well in this exchange I dare you to show all our correspondence to your friends. I am sure they will enjoy the laughing at your exspense as much as I have.

This was your most distorted response yet. Are you rattled?

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DORK
Show our exchange to your mom she will probably slap you for being so dumb.

Jlinkos

sent to me on July 15, 2008

Ok I'm going to stop insulting you because you obivously care whats going on.

Conservative defined:
1. The inclination, especially in politics, to maintain the existing or traditional order.
2. A political philosophy or attitude emphasizing respect for traditional institutions, distrust of government activism, and opposition to sudden change in the established order.

Can you think of anybody in the USA that would like to maintain the existing order more than the Federal Reserve bankers?
The Q about things you own is relavent because the central bankers own the media. If you owned CBS would you allow your employees to push an agenda opposite of your thought system.

None of your examples are Mainstream Media. The times blog is in the opinion section website only. The Nation is a left wing weekly that is mailed pretty much to proud liberals. Lastly realclearpolitics while a pretty good source of moderate information is just a website most people don't know about. This is the same for the McCain 100 year war story links you posted. I can find someone to say anything I want to hear on the net.

Mark Halperin is not or ever was Director of ABC News as Fox proclaimed in the text on the screen. He has directed ABC news segments. His main job is working for Time Magazine (owned by the FED) as some kind of political editor. Fox is not news it is propaganda and I don't understand why Democratic politicians even go on the network.

Most people my age or older recognize the the Vietnam war was an evil thing to do. We needed more people like Ayers not less. Vietnam was never a threat to the USA. Ever. Ayers is scary to the bankers because they know alot of people are not very deep down just like him.

As far as Wright is concerned I agree with most of what he says. The making AIDS parts not so much but the mistreatment of black people in the USA part is correct. Only a really stupid black man would like the current powers that be. I kinda hope Obama fills the gov't with smart black men and woman who hate the way our gov't works. We are controlled by the Federal Reserve that is slowly gaining all out wealth. The Bush family is a central banking family.

One last bit of proof that the media is conservative and it fits your nielson argument nicely.
AlpInvest Partners, the Blackstone Group, the Carlyle Group, Hellman & Friedman, Kohlberg Kravis Roberts, Permira and Thomas H. Lee Partners.
Those are the owners of Nielson Media Research. On the boards of all those companies sit Federal Reserve Bankers. The Carlyle Group is the Bush family buisness.
I for one would have to look outside to check if these people told me it was daytime at 12 noon.

I don't remember if I wrote what the FED is doing but here it is.
The Federal Reserve Bank loans money into existence when currency is needed by the economy. The FED loans the new money to corporations they own. The corporations then use the new money to buy commodities which they hold untill the new money causes inflation wich is always a result fiat money. The FED also collects interest on this money tax free. In this way they cause inflation but are protected from it by selling the commodities at the post inflation price. By doing this over and over for almost 80 years they have slowly pulled most of the real wealth under their control. If you think this is not happening then you are misinformed. If you think it is ok you are a qaste of space. I doubt you think it is ok.

You may think this has nothing to do with the mainstream media being liberal.
I think it does. The only way to keep this scam going is to not let people know about it. Politicians can be bought. The public in a free society has to be duped. The Federal Reserve Bankers Started the Associated Press Shortly after the banks inception to do this.

They are good at it too. Try talking to the average person about the FED you may just be interupted with talk of lizard people, the NWO, and all other assorted retarded things that marginalize the person talking about the banks true mission. I have heard this retarded **** my whole life and it cannot be an accident.

Of course as a true moderate I sound liberal. Moderates only power in the USA is to balance things out. After 8 yrs of Fascist/ conservative Republicans all true moderates want the Socialist /liberal Democrats to undo all the advances the Reps have made. The Dems will have to move things to the center before they can move them left. I believe the Dems will soon become the new conservative party. I have many pretty smart friends who already think they are.

The Republicans are about to go away. The damage they have done by leaving the coop unguarded (as they always do) and allowing the "New Gilded Age" to occur right before the peak oil crises will surly be the end of the Republican party. Look for a populist party to the liberal side. Followed by a labor party usurping the Dems after the true ramifications of the energy crises hit stride.

As far as the original video. People who invent things write grant requests to the gov't to further flesh out their ideas. If it pans out then the corporations come in. I never claimed the Gov't invented anything.

Think about the FED being conservative and owning the media before you reply. I'm a little tired of all the rest going over and over. I want a straight answer as to if you would ever let anything you owned operate against your interests? A truly liberal media would be clamoring to change the FED.

Liberal defined:
1. favorable to progress or reform, as in political or religious affairs.
2. Noting or pertaining to a political party advocating measures of progressive political reform.

Do you see the mainstream media doing this when it comes to the FED?

Jlinkos

sent to me on July 16, 2008

I notice you still will not answer if CBS would be liberal if you owned it. I work for a corporation and I run my own small buisness. Believe me when I am the employee I do what I am told as does my boss and his boss the boys from corporate are firmly in charge. Don't you do what you are told at work or do you set your own agenda?
The people who work for me do what I tell them and their beliefs mean nothing my agenda prevails. The Federal Reserve bank controls all 7 of the big media corporations. You look it up yourself. you seem to have alot of time. Start with the FED's own website. They admit they started the Associated Press. If you look it up yourself you will see I am correct. I suspect you know I am correct already. You keep ignoring this question and claiming people who work at the media corporations really set the agenda. That defy's human nature and all logic. The people who sit on corporate media's board's own or represent the major stockholders and I assure you one more time they set the agenda.

Do you think it is a good idea for a country to have the people who print the money own the media?

Do you think Federal Reserve bankers are liberal? (this is another Q I believe you have failed to answer.

Your crack about true conservatives proves you are no moderate. I bet you are just trying to distance yourself from Bush et. al. and all the damage people like you allowed them to do. My Statements about true moderates now being liberal holds. Moderates have to try to keep the country to the center and we are clearly pretty far right at this moment

Also moderates by definition have beliefs on both sides of the political spectrum. I assure you I have some pretty mainstream right wing views also. IE gun control, immigration, welfare reform...

Fox claimed Halpirin was director of ABC NEWS he was political director this is a big difference the director of ABC news was Halperins boss. I did not know Halperins was political director though.

You claim that those links were talking about major media reports. Why can I not find the major media reports themselves? All of your links fall under this catagory. Most people in the USA are not interested in the issues you bring up about Obama. I will argue again the fact they were in the heavy rotation major media at all helps my argument.

"Re-read what you just typed here and you will realize just how stupid you really are."

So you believe our country is going to fall down but their will be no consequences for the politicians? With the cheap energy gone the ponzi scheme is falling down. Both parties will be history in the not to distant future. The party that tries to uphold corporate rights will be the first to go. That will be the Republicans. We have been fed the scraps while the bankers ate the steak. The scraps will soon be all that is left. The bankers have to go soon.

Everything between the above and the Jimmy Carter comment prove that there is little hope for you. None of Carters policies were implemented if his energy policies had been we would not be in this much trouble now.

You admit it is all ****ed up and we are heading for collapse but you are already willing to blame what is coming on Obama before he is ever in office? Is this logical? Obama can not make things worse by taking some of the wealth the top 5% have gathered over the last 7years. Do you argue there has not been a shrinking of the middle class under conservative rule.

Under the Patriot Act YOU can be declared an enemy combatant and held without trial at the gov't leisure this is just one of many new powers the gov't gave themselves. Seems silly to whine about not being allowed to insult people in certain settings. As far as The Supreme court goes I will admit I would rather have the 5/4 splits be more on the liberal side (people will always be more important to me than money making entities) I would not however; want a 6/3 split liberal court. Whining because the court split 5/4 in your favor is silly if you call yourself a moderate.

Reagan (the conservative's god) came after Carter and broke the trusts that controlled media ownership. Before Reagan a corporation that owned media could only own media. This seems pretty sensible if you want a un-biased press. Why would Reagan want to break these trusts. HMMMMMM. Again look it up yourself. It will help to open your eyes.

Do you want to be a slave? If it all comes crashing down and limited resources are the future do you want the top 1% to control your life completly? BTW the top 1% of earners make $214,000 (which makes rich in this country who are you trying to kid?) the top 1% of wealth accumulators bring in a bit over $400,000 capitol gains are counted as corporate income. Capitol gains taxes should be taxed higher than earnings not less. Why should someone who works pay more taxes than someone who collects interest?

We have no health care system. We have a system where over 20% of health care costs go to bankers 30% if you count advertizing. Look it up. Do you think that is a good idea? I for one do not believe anyone but medical workers should make a living off of healthcare. Obama does not want to take investment profit out of medical care. That is not liberal or socilist as far as I am concerned. The Dems are now conservative/moderates. They go along with the Bush admin on almost all fronts in the end,. I don't know what the Republicans have become other than fascists.

Would you die in Iraq for the USA? Do you believe the Soldiers there are defending your freedom? Or do you think that maybe they are just there to fleece the taxpayers (put "cost plus" + iraq into the youtube search) and insure access to free oil for the military. In the Vietnam era many more soldiers were dying. Most were forced against their will to go to Vietnam. I believe if that were the case today you might just like Ayers.

I am also pretty sure if you were black you would agree with much of what Wright has to say.

How could anything Obama could do be worse than the mess Bush has got us into. Why would the conservatives transfer the wealth to the top right before the energy crises like they have done if they had the people's best interests at heart. None of these questions are conspiricy theories. Claiming they are instead of answering them is just weak. Stop watching TV an change your name to JVconservative

Jlinkos

sent to me on July 16, 2008

I missed this one in the last post

"I'm pretty sure the vast majority of "wealthy" people/businesses/corporations hate the current order and would rather go back to the original government set forth by our Founding Fathers and the US Constitution compared to the semi-socialist society we have now become."

Another trait of conservatives is to want to go back to the good old days. Wealthy people/businesses/corporations own our major media. kinda shot yourself in the foot there huh?

If your answer is that corporate media operates outside of the way all other corporations operate just save it. It is a stupid answer and we both know it. Every corporation I have ever worked for was micromanaged by the board of directors.

Jlinkos

sent to me on July 18, 2008

you are such a brainwashed dork

Tha fact that not once but twice you have written making $215,000 a year does not make you rich shows how utterly stupid you are. I don't make half that and have all the bills you talk about. People who make $25,000 a year have those bills, this is just further proof that if the talking points from fox don't fit you are lost. The super rich have used their media to cloud your brain so bad you can't reason logically... The avg US household earns less than $50,000 as of 2006. Someone making $215,000 a year is rich. Stupid

History has shown nothing of the sort when it comes to taxing the rich. When the wealthy get tax breaks more money is printed to make up the shortfall causing inflation. Demand sets prices stupid not taxes. Corporations in Europe earn about 20% less profit because of taxes. If they just pass taxes on why do the European corps make less?

The rich/corps are paying the least amount of taxes in history and this country is broke. To write history shows... over and over when it clearly shows the opposite is brainwashed behavior. I know you will just claim the current conservatives aren't really conservatives but you are wrong. The current conservatives are true US conservatives. The people who claim they are not are just the gullible fools who put them in power.

The last time US conservatives got in charge of all branches of gov't they ushered in a gilded age and caused the great depression. Look it up. The Great Depression was the last time Republicans were in charge of both houses of congress and the presidency. 2000 was the first time since the Great Depression that Republicans were again in charge of everything and the Greatest Depression is just starting. Every time conservatives get completly in control they cause a depression. The "liberals" ran the whole show (both houses of congress and the presidency) from the mid 30's to the mid 70's history shows those were pretty good decades for the USA. The whole idea of US style conservativism is foisted upon stupid, gullible, and easily brainwashed people by the bankers using the corporate media.

Did you know that all The US Democratic party platforms planks are more to the right of every European major conservative party? European conservatives know US Democrats are right wingers. Only in the USA are the Corps allowed to own media as well as other buisnesses. Claiming Obama or almost any Dem is liberal is just more brainwashed talk. The product the US media gives is not liberal. You just think it is because you watch Fox which is ubber right but you are so dumb you think it is moderate.

A true liberal media would rally against the FED. In fact this used to happen 30 yrs ago before Reagan broke the trusts. Todays major media is all about hanging onto the staus quo and that in no way can be construed liberal.

Just because your heroes (and they are your heroes your comments prove it, in fact you are worse than the screaming idiot who stated this whole thing) at Fox say the media is liberal does not mean its true. It just means you are dumb for believing them.

One last time. The fact that you pointed out 4 or 5 times when the media hoisted prolonged attacks on Obama does not prove liberal bias. Your whole timline argument is straw. The stories were not suppressed. You have offered no evidense anyone tried to supress them. If these stories were on a right wing website that offered ironclad proof and the main stream media ignored them then you would have proof of a liberal media. The fact these nonsense stories were in the media at all proves my point. Why is that so hard for you to understand? If they were such important stories why did Obama still win?

Also I never once heard the mainstream media take McCain's 100 yrs comment out of context. In fact all reports in the main stream went out of their way to clarify it with his remarks about US soidiers still in Korea and Germany. Find me some Mainstream Media that does not clarify the facts of his statement. No news link you have put up yet is mainstream media. The reason you can't find the mainstream on Stephanopulus' supposed critism is because bloggers on the left and right blew it out of proportion just like they did to McCain's comment. Almost nothing on the web is mainstream media.

You are proof that the effort the FED put into controlling the media was time well spent.