Jlinkos

sent to me July 19, 2008

what is so hard for you to understand the top 10% control almost 90% of the wealth. They should pay 90% of the taxes. You make less than $30,000 a year and you argue for corporate scum. hahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahaha h

There is absolutly no data that says trickle down economics works. Period. That is a lie and nothing else. You swallow the media's trash without tasting it. Read "the Education of David Stockman" the fact that you used the "trickle" word is further proof you are brainwashed In truth Reagans policy was vacuum up economics. If Trickle down economics works explain the ressession's after Reagan.

So far nothing you have written about Jimmy Carter is even remotly true. Carter took over after Nixon screwed up so bad in the Middle East that Iran (and its oil exports)was lost to a fanatical religous revolution. This is a fact.
This caused the problems not forcing the rich to pay their fair share which had been going on since the mid 1930's

While the vast majority of millionaires may be self made very few of the billionaires are. The billionaires are the ones who own/control the media. You are throwing more straw.

Once again you fail in your rudimentary grasp of things. Just as none of your examples of mainstream media bias towards liberals were from the mainstream media. hahahahahahahaha
None of the countries you use as examples as socialist failures were socialist societies. China, Eastern bloc countries, and Cuba are all/were communist countries. Western Europe is thriving and most countries have democratic socialist parties that hold substantial power. You are such a poof. Did you think I would not know there is a differense between communism and socialism or are you to stupid to know they are not the same thing.

The rich do not pay a higher % than you. Theirs is lower. look it up. You keep talking about the % of overall taxes the rich pay which is misleading. If everyone paid the same rate tax revinues would be much higher and the rich's share of the burden would go up to where it belongs. Also corporate loopholes keep the super rich from paying much at all. How many people pay themselves $1 and live off of dividends which are taxed at half of income?

You and every other low IQ gullible fool are helping the swindlers with your lack of critical thinking. You make false statement after false statement and ignore any Q that you really need to think about.

Jlinkos

sent to me July 19, 2008

You forgot to comment on the FACT that conservative total control of gov't always leads to depression. Did you just forget about that? Poof.

Your view of what it means to be rich describes only the top .01% the elite, The federal reserve banking families. Everyone else has to work to maintain a lifestyle.
They have brainwashed you so well you do not even know which way is up or down.
The fact that most live beyond their means is attributed to the corp media. The media will do whatever it takes to keep the status quo this is definitly a conservative attitude.

None of the links you provided on McCain show evidense of liberal bias at all even the Oberman one gave McCains response and showed the whole thing in context.
Remember also not that many people watch political TV or internet when taken in context to the whole population. BTW do you think it was wrong to ask McCain for clarification? Also his analogy to Korea seems kinda weak since no one is getting killed in Korea. I know he cleaned it up a bit by saying as long as they are not getting killed but they are getting killed and there seems to be no end in sight to that. I think these are valid points to bring up. Asking for answers from someone who wants to be president does not seam unreasonable. Should McCain just get a pass on everything he says? If you really want to talk about bias I am sure I could find a bunch of stuff on McCain only reported once and don't get me started on Bush. Your "liberal" media let him cherry pick the USA into an oil war under false pretenses. Your constant harping on little timeline nothing stories about Obama (Hilary and Obama are pretty much the same on almost all issues) shows how you are so easily spoon fed by this crap.

Remember Obama is kind of a problem for the media with the whole race issue. They flew the story and everyone waited to see the reaction. This is a plausable explaination considering how careers can be ruined in this country over the race issue. It still does not matter because the bankers would have been fine with Clinton. Although it did seem they got afraid af Bill when he started campaigning.

Any preference given to Obama may be attributed to the bankers thinking he is easier to beat. It seemed like the media allowed the Dem's to appear to fracture and probably is still pushing that issue.

Obama is the Dem candidate for president. Of course a bunch of reporters follow him around. How many follow McCain? I bet if he went to Iraq he would warrent the same exposure. How many stupid wrong examples are you going to make?

Start reading newsparer front pages. Notice how Obama's headlines will have anti-social words in them.
As I said earlier the fact that two Dem's with so much baggage were pretty much the only choices plugged by the media as having a chance tells critical thinkers something. Most people who care about politics in the USA did not like any candidate from either party. The 80% of voters who pay no attention to politics and decide from TV ads and poll reports voted for these losers. Do you find it strange that the only Republican with a chance in hell at winning got the nomination? The bankers know whats going on as far as the swing this country is taking to the left. They hope McCains maverick image will prolong their feast during the looming energy crises caused collapse. It wont, Obama will trounce McCain.
It looks more and more everyday like we will be voting in the midst of a depression.

Do you notice how half the news isn't news anymore? Do you really think no one will watch the news if they dont tell us about movie stars and sports celebs? The real news had been shuttled off onto networks where people argue and display mildly antisocial behavior. This turns many off so they just watch the broadcast network news. All three of your links prove this point. Your fourth link was some liberal taking things out of context on a home made video. The fact that you posted this link, once again shows how stupid you are when it comes right down to it. The fact that real news has been usurped again proves we do not have a liberal media. Keeping people uninformed is a great way to continue the status quo. I will repeat a liberal media or political party would call for fundamental change in the way we do almost everything in the USA. No Democrat seems to really want to change a thing.

I am not re-defining conservative or liberal. That is being done by the FED controlled media. The definition's I posted are correct and have been for over 100 years now.

The Democrats are not liberal and Obama has shown zero signs of socialism. All his plans work within the framework of the current corporate system. A socialist would at least advocate the profit taken out of essential services like healthcare, energy, and housing. Obama does not do that on any issue let alone the core ones I just mentioned. Believing China is socialist tells me you do not have a firm grasp of most political definitions.

Your refusal to look at the media ownership is becoming transparent. You know that if you look to see who sits on the boards you will find they are full of bankers. Arguing that bankers are liberal is something even you are not dumb enough to try so you ignore the whole issue and repeat stupid claims that you fail to back up.

If it looks like a duck it is a duck. The media is reinforcing the status quo everyday. Not just in the small niche political media arena you seem obsessed with but across the whole spectrum. This is not liberal. It is also not something that should need to be pointed out to anyone who knows how to think for themselves.

Do you notice how most free thinkers come up with different angles while dorks like you just spout crap you heard or read verbatum? Every conservative uses the same exact argument. I know many liberals who will give other reasons why the media is not liberal but all conservatives give the same tired "talking points" you have followed by obscure links that can usually be read in a different light.

The Heritage foundation is the FED stupid. FED bankers pay them to write crap to confuse people like you. Just because you read it on the internet does not mean it is true. Statistics (the math disipline taught in schools) teaches that numbers can be manipulated to produce desired results. That is why it was invented by the bankers and required to get a political science degree.

The unfortunate part is that you will soon see the error of your ways. The US political system is in for vast changes. Conservatism is going away. Broad new ways of thinking/doing will soon be implemented just to keep the population alive in some sembalance of civilization. I don't mean higher taxes per se but that will be part of the equation.

I feel bad you have been so suckered in. You will never have a chance to have anything in your life if progressive changes are not made. With the cheap easy oil gone growth is over forever. 90% of $30,000 a yr jobs will go away soon. Hopefully you are in the 10% that does not. The people you defend have done nothing to mitigate the problems we face because they had to own more of everything. You will realize sometime in the drudgery of the hard years you face that allowing the elite to skip with all the resourses and the deed to everything was a bad idea.

Jlinkos

What is so obvious about this clown is no matter what links I give him that showed the bias and no matter what facts I showed him on our progressive tax system, itstakentoo ignored it and pretended the source was not viable enough for him.

He got worse and worse the longer the discussions went (still going on now) because he provided 0 facts to this date and instead relied on his own flawed opinions.

And this guy thinks he is a moderate.

He's redefining conservatism, liberalism, both parties.

Claims our current Democrats are conservatives.

Claims the "mainstream media" is conservative.

Claims Europe's Democrats are right wingers.

Claims Jimmy Carter was basically misunderstood as a President.

And the list could go on.

This moron is just laughable at this point and I just thought I would register and share this old man's obvious cluelessness with you all.

BTW - if you want to see the full exchange I will edit the individual posts to input my replies as well.

If enough of you want to see them I'll add them in.

Tashah

Moderator's Warning:

I think that is enough. Both you and your “debate opposite” here break some rules of this forum without requisite recompense. Plz don't import conversations like this again. This thread is closed.

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