FireFly

LennyD

TruthDetector was too frightened to respond to my post below. You seem to know what you are talking about. Do you think I completely hit the nail on the head with my post or what?

http://www.debatepolitics.com/1057720387-post255.html (Left wing bias)

FF

SuperDem

All you have to do is turn on the TV. I think the lefties are one channel down or up from Fox on my cable tv. I can flip from one to the other (MSNBC?CNN) back to FoXX, and hear the attacks or defense of attacks they say the other candidate did all day long.
While there is no really unbiased news reporter, just looking at these two channels it's clear somebody is getting framed or paid to talk all the drivel that they do.

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LennyD

FF it was a fine posting, and sorry it took so long to reply, but life has been busy lately

You as well as many others make good points in relation to possible behind the scenes actions of the terror attacks of 9/11/01, and some are obviously more believable at initial face value than others.

For example I do not think many have a problem with believing members of the Isreali mossad were following the members of the group of people planning and ultimately carrying out the attacks, and maybe even a large amount would accept that these operatives had contact with the people they were following (apparantly all thru europe and and Canada making their way into the US) as odd as that may sound, but I think the information (factual or not) linking the actions of both these groups to any US official and anything beyond this is where the majority of people jump ship.

I guess if there was video showing the meetings or various planning and connections to a US official (like some sick version of a 9/11 reality show) or any of the other points made there would be more people able to accept the idea that some parts of these theorys may be accurate.

The real problem as I see it is that no matter what is provided as fact from either side of this one is that the majority of people living in the US have certain levels of morals, beliefs, values, understanding, and thinking etc. and most being "good people" in general will just have a really large problem in accepting that anyone responsible for serving the public like a politician etc would be able to either allow such a thing to happen and even worse be involded with it's design.

I am sure if we have any people here who are professionals or experts in human behaviour etc they could better explain this, but it is just against everything we have been believing (especially those things that allow many to feel good about leaving their home everyday) about our government, right and wrong, being an American, and just basically how things work in general.

I compare this to the disbelief seen by survivors when one family member murders another etc, and how no one saw it coming , and everyone is blindsided as this is just something they were never exposed to believing could happen.

Myself I have to try and be as open minded as possible while still being able to accept that anything is possible, but also knowing that not everything is as it appears and just because our minds can allow us to believe something could be true based on whatever evidence is presented there can still be a totally different truth.

So the jury is still out in my own mind, and even when I attempt to remove the part of me that does not want to accept there is any chance there was any US government involvment etc I find there is not enough there is still not enough information to fully believe one way or the other completely.

Oddly with the current attempts to rape the US taxpayers of over $700B and the tactics being used I am becoming more inclined to believe the conspiracy thinking than ever before.

I can not tell you what is actually happening but just like so many point out about 9/11 the actions and statements just do not fully fit or make sense.

Plus I learned when I was very young that when someone pressures you into somthing with made up deadlines and threats of losses to you (sort of like buying a used car) it is time to consider your being had, and when this is combined with a big ole "trust me" I am looking out for you etc it is obviously time to run.

If our leaders are using hard sell tactics employed by used car sales types I think there is cause for major concern to the real issues behind their lies, and if your one to debate the issues relating to the war in Iraq then your in for some fun with this one as it unfolds since it seems more intricate and multifacted than anything before it.

I am starting to fear that judging from the new evidence of this bail out that many of the previous thinkings of consipiracy in the past may hold more merit than anyone could have believed.

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Truth Detector

No Firefly, TruthDetector was not too frightened to respond, I just refuse to entertain or take serious lunatic theories that cannot be supported by FACTS or even the most rudimentary common sense.

You’re welcome for the clarification.

P.S. For one to prescribe to the absurdity that the 9-11 attacks were not planned by terrorists and Al Qaeda and believe that our leaders planned it and carried it our requires the lemming like willingness to suspend disbelief; there would be SO many people involved in such an undertaking as to make it impossible to hide. The fact that no CREDIBLE news sources accept these lunatic theories as much as they would like to impugn this administration more should be ample evidence for those of normal cognitive abilities and reason. Not to mention one would also have to ignore the admission by Osama that he indeed planned and carried it out or the documents captured in Afghanistan that supports their admission.

Carry on.

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FireFly

Why should we read the American constitution?

TD, with due respect you can't really make such a broad statement and expect us to believe it.

cheers,

FF

Truth Detector

I rest my case; one cannot possibly debate in a coherent fashion with someone who so willingly chooses to be uninformed.

Carry on.

Bodhisattva

TD makes a great point here, to be honest.
How can you hope to debate this issue if you don't have the first clue as to the facts?

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LennyD

FF

Please take a moment and try to think about what he is saying without prejudice and with as much empathy to the original purpose of the document as you can.

I do not expect us all to think the same (hey I know I don't agree with lots of stuff) but it really does seem that the more we get away from the countries original design the more liberties we give up and the worse things seem to get for the typical working class American.

I am not claiming who is right or wrong etc, but just that I believe all would gain from better understanding the real ideas of others who we may not always agree with.

This also goes for you all who immediately discard all of FF's discussion on possible scenario's for events leading up to 9/11 as well. If we can entertain all the potential people who would really benefit from this bailout and how this is not the same as the story we have been hearing from our legislators attempts to get us to accept it etc then why can we not consider that there are other things that have been not 100% factual in the past as well.

I am not backing every conspiracy theory etc, but since I do "question everything" lol and know many things are not what they seem as face value etc it only makes sense to explore all the possible and even probable things that could make up the truth.

Before anyone jumps on me or throws me into the conspiracy theorist pile please understand that no matter if we believe something or not there is still a need (especially for some of us) to review or questions the various possibilities.

Lets face it there are people all over the world who would lie to your face to be able to rip you off of a few dollars (there is a list of contractors alone in this area who make a living that way lol) and when the stakes are as high as 700bil or even control of an entire country you can not discount anything.

Hullbilly

I recommend reading the book Arrogance by Bernard Goldberg. He was with CBS I think for around 20 years? Not sure on that because it has been a while since I read it. He gives a lot of info and I personally loved the book. It was one of those books I did not want to put down.

MDM

I read the first 25 or so pages of this thread and had to skip ahead because it wasn't getting anywhere.

The OP requested evidence of left-wing media bias & no one supplied any.

*shrug*

Did I miss something?

Well, just to show my liberal media bias, I provide these:





Heh, just stirring the pot..