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Hatuey · 07-16-08, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Sir Loin

Thus far the “bias” at Fox has not prevented them from reporting……….the…………..actual…………..news.

Fox News Channel controversies - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Two days after the 2006 election, The Huffington Post reported they had acquired a copy of a leaked internal memo from Mr. Moody that recommended: "... let's be on the lookout for any statements from the Iraqi insurgents, who must be thrilled at the prospect of a Dem-controlled congress." Within hours of the memo's publication, Fox News anchor, Martha McCallum, went on-air with reports of Iraqi insurgents cheering the firing of Donald Rumsfeld and the results of the 2006 Congressional election.[62][63]

I find it hard to believe you're reporting the 'actual news' when your goal is to smear a party through those news.

Sir Loin · 07-17-08, 12:03 AM

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Fox News Channel controversies - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I find it hard to believe you're reporting the 'actual news' when your goal is to smear a party through those news.

The charge where it is alleged Fox News mandated reporters be “positive” when reporting about pro-life people is almost as humorous to this articles listing of complaints about Fox News by…………….Howard Dean! Yeah, I can see “bias” is a real issue here. Chuckle.

Amazingly, despite allegations that bias has control at Fox News, they have managed to report pretty much exactly what the rest are. On a daily basis. And get a higher rating than their competitors while doing it. Guess all the other networks must be getting the same memos as Fox eh?

Ask a “Fox News is” type for a list of those greatly discredited stories ala Rather & CBS or CNN & Baghdad and you get what? Wikipedia and Media Matters complaints and allegations. Oh yeah Fox News tried to fool the sheeple with an “D” where there should have been an “R” and of course they showed photshopped pictures of people AT THE SAME TIME as they were making fun of them!

Makes ya wonder why the “Fox News is” crowd bothers to get out of bed.

Hatuey · 07-17-08, 02:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Sir Loin

The charge where it is alleged Fox News mandated reporters be “positive” when reporting about pro-life people is almost as humorous to this articles listing of complaints about Fox News by…………….Howard Dean! Yeah, I can see “bias” is a real issue here. Chuckle.

What does that have to do with internal news memos where John Moody asks reporters to be on the lookout for terrorists being pleased at the Democrats winning the 2006 election? Nothing? Okay.

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Amazingly, despite allegations that bias has control at Fox News, they have managed to report pretty much exactly what the rest are. On a daily basis. And get a higher rating than their competitors while doing it. Guess all the other networks must be getting the same memos as Fox eh?

Translation : LOOK - LOOK! The other news networks are doing bad stuff too. Stay on topic. We are after all debating FOX.

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Ask a “Fox News is” type for a list of those greatly discredited stories ala Rather & CBS or CNN & Baghdad and you get what? Wikipedia and Media Matters complaints and allegations. Oh yeah Fox News tried to fool the sheeple with an “D” where there should have been an “R” and of course they showed photshopped pictures of people AT THE SAME TIME as they were making fun of them!

Translation : LOOK - LOOK! The other news networks are doing it too. Stay on topic. We are after all debating FOX.

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Makes ya wonder why the “Fox News is” crowd bothers to get out of bed.

Alright so let me get this straight. You say FOX is about reporting 'actual news'. Yet this contradictory to A) their in company memos and B) the words of News Corps(FNs parent company) Chairman Rupert Murdoch. When you are looking out for stories that are damaging to one particular political party then it's EXTREMELY OBVIOUS that your goal is not to be 'fair and balanced' but to direct the way the viewer hears the news.

Sir Loin · 07-17-08, 04:08 AM

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What does that have to do with internal news memos where John Moody asks reporters to be on the lookout for terrorists being pleased at the Democrats winning the 2006 election? Nothing? Okay.

What does any list of allegations from any source have to do with “proof” that Fox News is not reporting actual news, because they are biased? Wiki articles that regurgitate the contents of “Out Foxed” are the depth of your case? You’ve utterly failed to demonstrate that Fox News created false news by showing the fact that there were indeed terrorist pleased when the DNC had gains in 2006. Ya gotta love that argument. Fox aired real news, a memo allegedly said be on the lookout for just this kind of real news. How truly painful for you that someone at Fox actually knew this was the case, and had the audacity to give a heads up to staff so they could report on it. Quite the case you have there. Oh the biassssssss.

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Translation : LOOK - LOOK! The other news networks are doing bad stuff too. Stay on topic. We are after all debating FOX.

I don’t give a flying crap about the so called “political biases” of any of the major cable news networks. Meanwhile, there are some serious and well documented cases where truly egregious, shall we say crimes against journalism have been carried out. Oh say CNN the so called most “trusted news” source? Also the one that allowed their “bias” for money to prevent them from actually reporting the truth, for just a wee bit over a decade? Do tell me, where are the weekly threads about CNN and the evil “bias” for money that lead them to act just as you and others keep yammering that Fox News is? Only all ya got are Media Matters and wiki articles. Ya gonna rasie me some Huffington whines too? I’ll add them to those Howard Dean “proofs” your wiki article contains.

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Alright so let me get this straight. You say FOX is about reporting 'actual news'. Yet this contradictory to A) their in company memos and B) the words of News Corps(FNs parent company) Chairman Rupert Murdoch. When you are looking out for stories that are damaging to one particular political party then it's EXTREMELY OBVIOUS that your goal is not to be 'fair and balanced' but to direct the way the viewer hears the news.

If you are going to put words in my mouth, it would help if it was something I’ve actually said.

So we can add allegations based upon biased slants of supposedly “leaked memos” to the great “D” for an “R” case of 06 and wiki articles that regurgitate allegations from an anti Fox movie, to your complaint that Fox News actually reports real news that you just don’t want to hear. And oh yeah, they used photohopped pictures at the same time they made fun of people on a dumb morning show. And Fox has had graphical errors and wrong numbers appear on screen from time to time. Ya know unlike newspapers and every other news source? But when it happens at Fox, it is the biasssssss.

Ya gotta love Fox tinted OCD.

Hatuey · 07-17-08, 04:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Sir Loin

What does any list of allegations from any source have to do with “proof” that Fox News is not reporting actual news, because they are biased?

How are memos from John Moody asking FOX News members to specifically focus and look for anti-democrat stories 'allegations of bias'? That is proof of bias. That you keep ignoring it is simply disingenuous but if you want to call them 'allegations' :

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Wiki articles that regurgitate the contents of “Out Foxed” are the depth of your case? You’ve utterly failed to demonstrate that Fox News created false news by showing the fact that there were indeed terrorist pleased when the DNC had gains in 2006. Ya gotta love that argument. Fox aired real news, a memo allegedly said be on the lookout for just this kind of real news. How truly painful for you that someone at Fox actually knew this was the case, and had the audacity to give a heads to staff so they could report on it. Quite the case you have there.

And so without any argument you resort to an argumentum ad hominem on the source and then followed that with a non sequitur. When you're actively looking for anti-democrat statements and using words like 'Iraqi insurgents must be thrilled that Democrats have won' to elaborate on what 'stories' you want on the news then that is a clear sign of bias.

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I don’t give a flying crap about the so called “political biases” of any of the major cable news networks.

Really? Your words betray you. I'll explain.

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Meanwhile, there are some serious and well documented cases where truly egregious, shall we say crimes against journalism have been carried out. Oh say CNN the so called most “trusted news” source? Also the one that allowed their “bias” for money to prevent them from actually reporting the truth, for just a wee bit over a decade? Do tell me, where are the weekly threads about CNN and the evil “bias” for money that lead them to act just as you and others keep yammering that Fox News is? Only all ya got are Media Matters and wiki articles. Ya gonna rasie me some Huffington whines too? I’ll add them to those Howard Dean “proofs” your wiki article contains.

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Translation : To run away from my ridiculous arguments I point fingers at the rest of the media! Then I prove I don't care about political bias by pointing fingers at the rest of the media who I think is biased!

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If you are going to put words in my mouth, it would help if it was something I’ve actually said.

You confirmed the words I 'put in your mouth'. You don't care about the political biases of other news companies and you supported this by ranting about other news companies.

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So we can add allegations based upon biased slants of supposedly “leaked memos” to the great “D” for an “R” case of 06 and wiki articles that regurgitate allegations from an anti Fox movie, to your complaint that Fox News actually reports real news that you just don’t want to hear.

I was waiting for this. When you were going to try and discredit the memos. Tell me. Do you have any evidence that they weren't leaked? Seems to me like even the people who worked at FOX acknowledge the validity of the memos.

Fox News: The inside story - Salon.com

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It was all too much for Charlie Reina to take. Reina, 55, spent six years at Fox as a producer, copy editor and writer, working both on hard news stories and on feature programs like "News Watch" and "After Hours." He quit in April, he says, in a fit of frustration over salary, job assignments and respect. Since that time, he has watched the debate over whether Fox is really "fair and balanced." He held his fire, bit his tongue. But then he heard Chris Wallace -- an outsider to Fox, for now -- proclaim the network fair. Reina couldn't remain silent any longer, and so he fired off a long post to Jim Romenesko's message board at the Poynter Institute. In his view, he was setting the Fox record straight.

"The fact is," Reina wrote, "daily life at FNC is all about management politics." Reina said that Fox's daily news coverage -- and its daily news bias -- is driven by an "editorial note" sent to the newsroom every morning by John Moody, a Fox senior vice president. The editorial note -- a memo posted on Fox's computer system -- tells the staff which correspondents are working on which stories. But frequently, Reina says, it also contains hints, suggestions and directives on how to slant the day's news -- invariably, he says, in a way that's consistent with the politics and desires of the Bush administration.

Obviously the memos could be off. But I seriously doubt that somebody who worked AT FNC would not know what goes on day to day.

Sir Loin · 07-17-08, 05:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Hatuey

How are memos from John Moody asking FOX News members to specifically focus and look for anti-democrat stories 'allegations of bias'? That is proof of bias. That you keep ignoring it is simply disingenuous but if you want to call them 'allegations'.

Who gives a flip about the perceived bias of the news networks? You and the “Fox News is” OCD crowd. Please get back to me when you have proof that Fox is making up their own news and lying about the stories they cover. As you know there is a cottage industry of so called watch dogs focused upon Fox, so you’ll know when it really happens. So far all you can come up with is the allegation that Fox is biased. Get back to me when you have something that proves Fox News’s perceived bias has resulted in them actually lying and creating their own news.

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And so without any argument you resort to an argumentum ad hominem on the source and then followed that with a non sequitur. When you're actively looking for anti-democrat statements and using words like 'Iraqi insurgents must be thrilled that Democrats have won' to elaborate on what 'stories' you want on the news then that is a clear sign of bias.

Yes, God knows that mocking a wiki article as your stated proof that the right wing bias at Fox has prevented them from reporting factual stiories and real news, is an argumentum ad hominem followed by a non sequitur.

When you are actively living for anti Fox News statements you’ll actually pretend that a Wiki article full of allegations is a very intelligent answer to my comment that thus far the “bias” at Fox has not prevented them from reporting the actual news.

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Really? Your words betray you. I'll explain.

Translation : To run away from my ridiculous arguments I point fingers at the rest of the media! Then I prove I don't care about political bias by pointing fingers at the rest of the media who I think is biased!

Pointing out actual documented cases of cable/TV news sources (the so called most trusted of them) acting without journalistic integrity, is running away from what? Your ham-fisted insistence that Fox News is biased, but ya just can’t point to how they are not reporting the news or lying about it? Chuckle.

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You confirmed the words I 'put in your mouth'. You don't care about the political biases of other news companies and you supported this by ranting about other news companies.

Hardly, but I can see why you feel the need to try and play that sad little card. The bias I referred to was one for money, not based upon a left or right wing slant. When a news anchor reports the day’s news, and it is real and true, I could care less what yammering members of the “Fox News is” crowd think about the biases of the network. Like I said, get back to me when you have your smoking gun that details how Fox News is not reporting factual news and is making up the news. Ya know, to help the GOP/right wing.

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I was waiting for this. When you were going to try and discredit the memos. Tell me. Do you have any evidence that they weren't leaked? Seems to me like even the people who worked at FOX acknowledge the validity of the memos.

Fox News: The inside story - Salon.com.

You’ve still yet to produce your proof that Fox News and their bias has resulted in them not reporting the actual news. Or that they just make up the news, ya know in order to buttress the GOP/right wing. Surely by now you can do something otter than yammer “they are biased”. Get back to me when you can.

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Obviously the memos could be off. But I seriously doubt that somebody who worked AT FNC would not know what goes on day to day.

Obviously all the memos (that could be off you say) in the world don’t prove Fox News does not report…………the…………..actual…….news. News you don’t want to hear, but news none the less.

I'll give ya points for that anti Fox passion OCD ya got going there. As you well know, you get zero points for choosing to reply to my comments that if Fox is biased they still report the actual news, with a wiki article. Did ya not understand the English I used and you choose to reply to?

Here it is, try again.

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Originally Posted by Sir Loin

Thus far the “bias” at Fox has not prevented them from reporting……….the…………..actual…………..news.

DeeJayH · 07-17-08, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Hatuey

Translation : LOOK - LOOK! The other news networks are doing bad stuff too. Stay on topic. We are after all debating FOX.

actually according to the OP it is not about FOX

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Okay, we constantly hear on these boards that US media has a left wing bias.

Now my question is.. can anyone show me where some of the main networks show left wing bias?

And no criticizing Bush or a Republican is not showing left wing bias. And no that lame biased UCLA study on media bias does not cut it either. And no even mentioning left wing polices or the word socialist is not left wing bias.

What I am looking for is clear cut left wing bias along the lines of the way Fox News does bias.. Comments like the Terrorist fist jab, or promoting out right lies or twisting facts for political bias.

So do people have any examples of left wing media bias.

Sir Loin · 07-17-08, 01:16 PM

Yes and naturally bold Pete whines that the thread is not about the creative claims he stated as basis for his hackneyed thread topic. Apparently Hatuey was playing back up for Pete and attempting to prove that Fox News has a bias. It is leading them to issue daily operating memos where they tell reporters to look for factual news items and report said news. This is supposed to the big smoking gun…..and it is. Of an abjectly biased and irrational failure to compute.

Which brings me to my original comments………..

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Who really gives a flip about bias? How many of these threads does it take to entertain the same persons asking the same crap over and over and over? That honestly is what we constantly hear on these boards. And see.

Thus far the “bias” at Fox has not prevented them from reporting……….the…………..actual…………..news. In fact, the only cable news organization I can think of that has allowed their own bias to prevent reporting………..actual…………….news………..is CNN. Check Eason Jordan and Baghdad for a pinch of actual journalistic FAIL. Their bias for greenback potato salad truly did result in exactly the kind of “reporting” (or lack thereof) that the chattering m..a..asses keep trying to ascribe to Fox.

IMO the only thing Pete is really "looking for" is some more straw for his lame azz "Fox-man". It is why he is caught dead every day of the week wearing Elton John style Fox Tinted frames. Count the headlights on the highway Pete. You'll get more done.

mikhail · 07-17-08, 02:27 PM

What a surprise someone on the left cant see any left wing bias in the media.This goes both ways of course.

The real problem is they start off being intellectually dishonest and its corrupted from there.

The NYT has the tag line "all the news worth printing" this is bull****.

Fox news has the tag line "fair and balanced" but i dont think every story has a natural balance should stories on bigfoot be presented as both sides being equally likely?

PeteEU · 07-17-08, 04:38 PM

Still no links or evidence of left wing bias.

Kinda funny considering how often people claim there is left wing bias.