Bush never lied to us about Iraq - Page 4

Simon W. Moon · 06-17-08, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Truth Detector

Bush really said this eh? I'd like to see the EXACT quote from a credible source. Perhaps, you are EXAGERATING or STRETCHING the truth here? Perhaps you need the strap?

knock yourself out

We've also discovered through intelligence that Iraq has a growing fleet of manned and unmanned aerial vehicles that could be used to disperse chemical or biological weapons across broad areas. We're concerned that Iraq is exploring ways of using these UAVS for missions targeting the United States. And, of course, sophisticated delivery systems aren't required for a chemical or biological attack; all that might be required are a small container and one terrorist or Iraqi intelligence operative to deliver it.

Doc Howl · 06-17-08, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002

Yes, we were greeted as liberators. In Iraq, IEDs are the customary way of saying welcome.

The insurgency was in it's last throes. The six months Cheney was talking about just haven't started yet.

Iraqi oil is paying for the war. That's why our surplus is growing exponentially.

STAY THE COURSE!

Doc Howl · 06-17-08, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon

knock yourself out

We've also discovered through intelligence that Iraq has a growing fleet of manned and unmanned aerial vehicles that could be used to disperse chemical or biological weapons across broad areas. We're concerned that Iraq is exploring ways of using these UAVS for missions targeting the United States. And, of course, sophisticated delivery systems aren't required for a chemical or biological attack; all that might be required are a small container and one terrorist or Iraqi intelligence operative to deliver it.

ZING!

Doc,
Hopes you don't hurt 'em, Hammer!

Doc Howl · 06-17-08, 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Truth Detector

Bush really said this eh? I'd like to see the EXACT quote from a credible source. Perhaps, you are EXAGERATING or STRETCHING the truth here? Perhaps you need the strap?

There's no ownage like self-ownage.

Binary_Digit · 06-17-08, 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Truth Detector

You are exhibiting a fascinating propensity for avoiding the FACTS. The reason I posted those quotes was to illustrate the inane rantings about how Bush lied when so many others stated the EXACT same things with the EXACT same intelligence.

You are exhibiting a propensity for avoiding WHAT I ACTUALLY POSTED, and instead fabricating your own version of the argument to tear down.

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Originally Posted by Truth Detector

This idiotic nonsense suggesting that one does not pick and choose which intelligence to use is naive in the extreme. Does anyone honestly think that BUSH is the only one who picked which intelligence had the most merit to them?

I guess Tony Blair carefully conspired to cherry pick the exact same intelligence. I guess the Madeline Albright cherry picked the exact same intelligence.....it's all one HUGE coincidence.

Tony Blair and Madeline Albright didn't say that the centrifuge tubes were only suited for nuclear weapons programs. Tony Blair and Madeline Albright didn't claim that Curveball was a solid source. Tony Blair and Madeline Albright never said that Hussein might give WMDs to terrorists. Tony Blair and Madeline Albright never said that we don't torture. Are you getting the point yet?

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Originally Posted by Truth Detector

Meanwhile you Liberals and leftists continue to direct your confused rage and anger at our own President while missing the fact that Osama and the terrorist thugs are the REAL enemies here, not Bush. But in your misguided and inane state of minds, you want to make Bush the enemy and let the Terrorists off the hook. You have to be some kind of mental giant to get to such warped and retarded logic.

Oh wait, I almost forgot, it's not about terrorists or meeting our commitments in Iraq, it's all about political power to you people; and that is more important than Americans safety. Therefore, the thugs, murderers and terrorists are not responsible; it's all Bush's fault.

Carry on. I have to stand on my head with one hand in the air and a leg outstretched to get to such foolhardy and confused logic.

Another strawman. When did I ever say there were no good reasons to consider invading? I mentioned specific lies Team Bush told, that's it. And somehow you think that warrants going on some misguided rant about letting terrorists off the hook.

obvious Child · 06-18-08, 12:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Binary_Digit

Right, and Bush just doesn't realize what waterboarding is whenever he says "we do not torture.....hat is a misrepresentation of the facts as he knew them at the time, and as such it is a lie. Especially if he didn't "accept" the NIE's findings and fabricated his own reality instead.

Nothing you've said shows that Bush knew what he was saying was false. And most of us have come to the conclusion that the man is truly incompetent. If he really is that incompetent, he may have simply been fed information he believed to be true, which would not make him a liar.

If one truly believes something then they can't be a liar if they try to pass it off as the truth.

You need watergate tapes.

Simon W. Moon · 06-18-08, 09:26 AM

from the depths of time

Team Bush and "Best Info Available @ the Time" (Team Bush and "Best Info Available @ the Time")

Simon W. Moon · 06-18-08, 09:28 AM

If you have to carefully parse the word lie to keep something from technically being a 'lie', what good have you done?

Chanda · 06-18-08, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by obvious Child

Nothing you've said shows that Bush knew what he was saying was false....You need watergate tapes.

There's plenty of evidence that Bush was determined to attack Iraq regardless of whether Saddam had WMD. He made the decision to invade Iraq only 4 months after Condi Rice stated publicly that Saddam was not a threat. If she knew, Bush would have known it, too. The Downing Street memos proved "intelligence was being fixed around policy," and that Bush suggested painting a US spy plane in UN colors to provoke Iraqi fire and provide a pretext for war.

There's also this:

"In 1995, when Saddam Hussein's son-in-law, Hussein Kamel, defected with a treasure trove of documents, he spilled the beans on Iraq's weapons of mass destruction. There were none. He knew. He was in charge of the chemical, biological, nuclear, and missile programs and ordered all such weapons destroyed before the U.N. inspectors could discover them after the war in 1991.

He told us much more, and the information that could be checked out was confirmed."--Ray McGovern, former CIA analyst

Someone removed caveats from the October '02 NIE which was presented to Congress.

Considering the massive death and destruction caused by what is termed by Bush's supporters as a "mistake," shouldn't someone be held accountable?

Truth Detector · 06-18-08, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon

knock yourself out

We've also discovered through intelligence that Iraq has a growing fleet of manned and unmanned aerial vehicles that could be used to disperse chemical or biological weapons across broad areas. We're concerned that Iraq is exploring ways of using these UAVS for missions targeting the United States. And, of course, sophisticated delivery systems aren't required for a chemical or biological attack; all that might be required are a small container and one terrorist or Iraqi intelligence operative to deliver it.

Here is your exact quote:

"Liketeh bit in cincinatti where GWB says that he "concerned" about Hussein using flying, poison spraying robots to attack the US. "

Here is what he ACTUALLY stated, and intelligence reports were suggesting it as well:

"We've also discovered through intelligence that Iraq has a growing fleet of manned and unmanned aerial vehicles that could be used to disperse chemical or biological weapons across broad areas. We're concerned that Iraq is exploring ways of using these UAVS for missions targeting the United States. "

Again, your RHETORIC is a deliberate exaggeration about an issue that was of GREAT concern in a pathetically weak effort to make the President look bad. But alas, you and your fellow Democrats, Liberals and Leftists have the benefit of HINDSIGHT; something you all exhibit a great propensity for which is also called "second guessing" after the fact.

It doesn't take much intellect to play that game.