bhkad

The point isn't that you object to being misled. (I'm not addressing the issue of whether Bush & Co. did as you suggest or not right here. Instead, I'm making a different point that you brought up.)

You LOVE being misled.

You just want to be lied to stylishly.

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aps

I'm seeing all sorts of new sides to you, bhkad. This is your candid side, and I like it almost as much as your emotional side.

Chanda

What is a "stylish" lie? Is that one that doesn't involve killing and maiming hundreds of thousands of people and driving them out of their country?

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SouthernDemocrat

And the New Republic was a huge cheerleader for the Iraq war from the start. It seems the editors of the New Republic have a problem with admitting they were wrong.

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independent_thinker2002

"Now proven unfounded"? Sorry, an OP-ED isn't going to prove anything. And I did provide lies about Iraq. That is on topic. It's in the title and everything.

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Binary_Digit

Bush lies about Iraq (off the top of my head)

1. "We've never been stay the course."

2. "We do not torture."

3. "There was a connection between Iraq and al'Qaeda."

4. "[The centrifuge tubes are] only really suited for uranium enrichment."

5. "They hate us for our freedoms."

6. "Iraq could decide on any given day to provide a biological or chemical weapon to a terrorist or individual terrorists."

7. "We have a smoking gun that could turn into a mushroom cloud."

8. "Intelligence regarding mobile chemical weapons labs came from a solid source."

Every last one of these statements has been proven to be a lie, because intelligence data at the time shows they either weren't true or weren't as certain as Team Bush made them out to be.

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Truth Detector

You two crack me up. The notion that the LA Times is going Conservative can only be expressed by those who wallow in gleeful ignorance and denial.

I get this rag every day, I can assure you that their coverage is anything BUT biased to the LEFT and their editorials enough to make Castro and Osama grin with glee.

The thing I find fascinating about Liberals is their claim that anytime the TRUTH gets out, it must be some Carl Rove conspiracy or because a "right" winger is in charge.

You both are quite laughable in this regard. Carry on; it is truly amusing to watch.

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Truth Detector

I find it pathetic how Liberals blame Bush for this when it is the terrorists, despots and thugs who are actually the ones doing the killing and maiming. This projected anger onto the American Military and their Commander and Chief can only be explained in Psycho analytical text books.

Why would anyone think the maiming is not the responsibility of those doing the maiming; because it does not suit their political agenda, which is to vilify their opponents to get back that which means much more to them than the safety of the American people or the Iraqi’s; and that is political power. That same power they know they cannot regain in an honest intellectual debate about their political philosophy.

If they resorted to honesty, they know they would not have a chance in hell to promote their continued politics of failure and socialism that every one knows cannot possibly lead to a better standard of living, but rather and substandard that requires the citizenry to give up freedoms, choices, taxes and convenience.

Truth Detector

So were these Democrats lying as well?

"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real..."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003 | Source

"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."
- President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998 | Source

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
- President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998 | Source

"We must stop Saddam from ever again jeopardizing the stability and security of his neighbors with weapons of mass destruction."
- Madeline Albright, Feb 1, 1998 | Source

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
- Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998 | Source

"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."
Letter to President Clinton.
- (D) Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, others, Oct. 9, 1998 | Source

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
- Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998 | Source

"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."
- Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999 | Source

"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and th! e means of delivering them."
- Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002 | Source

"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002 | Source

"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002 | Source

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002 | Source

"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..."
- Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002 | Source

"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force -- if necessary -- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002 | Source

"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002 | Source

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members ... It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002 | Source

"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002 | Source

niftydrifty

glad I could be of service.

I never said it was.

speak for yourself, bro. these are your words you've put in my mouth.

good for you.

it's all a matter of perspective. if I'm interested in how anything appears to you, I'll ask. nearly everything is going to appear to be left of you.

is the topic "some liberals" or their claims?

said the poster that confused the topic with something else.

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