dirtpoorchris

US soldier refuses to serve in 'illegal Iraq war'

Lots of soldiers are testifying and what they say is going against what the media says.

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WI Crippler

Well I hope he takes his time in the brig like a man then. Sorry buddy, you don't get to pick and choose what wars you fight in. Its a volunteer force, but going that far, well thats just a little ridiculous.

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conquer

Yes, "ridiculous".

Deserters: We Won't Go To Iraq, U.S. Soldiers Seeking Refuge In Canada May Face Serious Penalties - CBS News

ludahai

Pathetic. Throw them in the brig.

1. The war isn't illegal.
2. The U.S. had a legitimate interest in getting rid of Saddam.

How many other foreign police actions and wars has the US been involved in. Not to know that upon enlisting is base ignorance.

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aegyptos

Even if the war wasn't "legal", whatever that means, these guys wouldn't have a leg to stand on. There is no constitutional question involved. The UCMJ applies. They must obey lawful orders of superior officers. Throw them in the brig for ten or twelve years.

jamesrage

"Der I dids not know dat da military was a war fare occupation,I thought I couldz just sits on my butt all day,collects me a check with them thar me de Kal benefits and haves me ones of them GIBills so I can goes to trucking school when I get outs.


I have never heard of a "pick which war you want to fight in" sign on bonus,I know you can get certain schools,duty stations and money as an enlistment bonus.When you voluntarily sign your name on the dotted you have no room to bitch and moan about having to go to combat.Everyone and their mom knows the military is a warfare occupation.If you did not want to go to war then you should have never signed your name on the dotted line.

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Pookie

Please, please watch what you say, please?
I'm a retired major after 22 years of service.
Listen, some may feel differently, of course. This is to be expected in this day and time.
Some think they can choose where they go, and they think their views on what they think is an illegal war and refusing to go, they are not fulfilling their duty.
These soldiers are quite mistaken.
They are wrong, and if they feel this way, they need to get out and shut the hell up.
Purrs,
Pookie

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bub

If it is a volunteer force, why can't they resign?

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gunner

As the UK forces do i would say the US Military make there troops sign on for a fixed term, I signed on for 6yrs and fulfilled my obligation. You sign a contract, you honour that contract IMO.

paul.

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conquer

I'm not an expert in this matter about the army and volunteers, but today I also heard to General Whesley Clark in the Morning Joe show, about the extraordinary work, courage, etc, of the "volunteers" who form the US troops.

I have an open question not only to this respectable General, but to anyone here, if the army doesn't offer to help with College studies and other careers anymore, how many "volunteers" the army will lose?

I think that a great percent of these "volunteers" had no intention at all to sign the contract with the army to serve the country but to take advantage of what the army offers in education and career.

Of course, this is my opinion, and my opinion is based in what I have observed in the past.

I remember that in the 60's and 70's the army went into the universities to pick up the students selected by random to fight in Vietnam, and the great "street wars" in many cities of US, watching young people fighting against the US army and the police forces in order to avoid going to that war.

I think that the army went smart when started to offer economical help for the ones who can't pay for their studies at the same time of making a contract which doesn't specify much about the critical situations which might happen in case of a war.

I think that the "volunteers" of the future must ask for an additional statement in the contract that specifies that the "volunteer" is not obligated to go to war if no enemy has attacked US.

In something that I have some experience is in "signing contracts", and I know that contracts -of any kind- can have additional requests from either side which can be included before the signing. After the requests has been dicussed, if no agreement is at hand, no contract is signed, the individual might lose the opportunity of a great economical help for his future career, and the army might lose a potential troop.

But for sure, contracts must specify what both sides want to have included in them.

If General Whesley Clark is correct that the "volunteers" really wanted to go to Iraq and that they feel that this is a "right war" and that US is winning it, the million dollars question is, why the volunteers number has drop recently?