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05-19-08, 06:18 PM
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Lean: Conservative Gender:  Awards: | Re: US soldier refuses to serve in 'illegal Iraq war' Your "Choice" is joining in the first place or not. Upon joining you know full well that, should the country go to war, you will be expected to go. No one goes into that situation unaware that such a possibility exhists.
In general, the men and women in the military are not being paid, and given the benefits they get, to man a base in virginia for 4 years. Could that happen? Yes. But the reason they're being paid, and given the benefits, is because there is an explicite understanding that should the country go to war they are ready and able to be pulled into duty abroad.
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05-19-08, 08:07 PM
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Current Mood: | Re: US soldier refuses to serve in 'illegal Iraq war' When you swear to defend the USA, you are promising to go anywhere at any time. That oath does not have any exceptions to it.
I think in today's world with what is happening today, a soldier may mistake that oath he took for "only if I want to."
This seems to be a trend, and not a very good one, IMHO.
Just my thoughts on the matter. It's how I feel, and no, I can't back myself up with links or anything because I'm just giving my opinion.
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05-19-08, 08:50 PM
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Current Mood: | Re: US soldier refuses to serve in 'illegal Iraq war' He should get whatever penalty people like him get. It's one thing to disagree with the war when you're serving. It's another to just quit. Nobody forced him to join. He should live with his decision.
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05-19-08, 11:24 PM
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Originally Posted by conquer I have an open question not only to this respectable General, but to anyone here, if the army doesn't offer to help with College studies and other careers anymore, how many "volunteers" the army will lose? | Probably quite a few. Since the army DOES help with college studies and other careers, it would seem an irrelevant question. Quote:
Originally Posted by conquer I remember that in the 60's and 70's the army went into the universities to pick up the students selected by random to fight in Vietnam, and the great "street wars" in many cities of US, watching young people fighting against the US army and the police forces in order to avoid going to that war. | We now have a volunteer army. We still have people who would fight against being drafted into war, but those types now generally dont volunteer to serve in the army Quote:
Originally Posted by conquer If General Whesley Clark is correct that the "volunteers" really wanted to go to Iraq and that they feel that this is a "right war" and that US is winning it, the million dollars question is, why the volunteers number has drop recently? | ???? uuuhhh because those who DONT really want to go to Iraq and DONT believe this is the right war or that we are winning, probably dont become these "volunteers". |
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05-19-08, 11:39 PM
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Originally Posted by dixon76710 Probably quite a few. Since the army DOES help with college studies and other careers, it would seem an irrelevant question. | The reports show something different, because the number of volunteers has drop a lot, so, the question is not irrelevant.
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05-19-08, 11:53 PM
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| Re: US soldier refuses to serve in 'illegal Iraq war' Quote:
Originally Posted by conquer The reports show something different, because the number of volunteers has drop a lot, so, the question is not irrelevant. |
You are confused. The army DOES help with college studies and other careers. They have since WWII. And what "reports" are you refering to? |
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05-19-08, 11:56 PM
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Gender:  | Re: US soldier refuses to serve in 'illegal Iraq war' I'd like to point out that many instances of international war crime tribunals have proven that individual soldiers will be held responsible for their actions and cannot use "I was following orders" as a defense.
That makes refusing to fight in Iraq a little more reasonable. |
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05-20-08, 01:24 AM
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Originally Posted by new coup for you I'd like to point out that many instances of international war crime tribunals have proven that individual soldiers will be held responsible for their actions and cannot use "I was following orders" as a defense.
That makes refusing to fight in Iraq a little more reasonable. | No it doesn't. But this line of thinking doesn't surprise me coming from you. Refusing to report to a duty station and "go shoot those women and children" are two completely different things. Had you actually been in the military or have any knowledge of it whatsoever, you wouldn't make a ridiculous statement like the one you just made. If you don't know what you're talking about, maybe you shouldn't say anything at all... 
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Gender:  | Re: US soldier refuses to serve in 'illegal Iraq war' atrocities which no parties deny have already been committed. |
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05-20-08, 01:45 AM
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Originally Posted by new coup for you atrocities which no parties deny have already been committed. | And those responsible have been or are in the process of being punished - just as they should be. But what does this have to do with your ill-informed statement? |
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