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Old 05-28-08, 01:19 AM   #51 (permalink)
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OK, first of all, i just want to say, ARE YOU SERIOUS?!
uhhh... yea. My knowledge comes from experience in the business. Where does yours come from?

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The US Government HAS and WILL continue to sell our weapons and technology to other countries, be they good or bad.
Yes, the US government will... not US businesses. That is subtle but important difference.

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And it doesnt even have to be 'under the table'. The US Military sold nuclear weapons blueprints and weapons to Russia, Costa Rica, and various third world countries.
Really? I've never heard and I'm curious. Got any reputable links? Or is it all a secret?? (shhh... they can hear you think)

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What makes you think that this could not happen. And just because it would be stupid for someone to sell these weapons 'under the table', doesnt mean that they wont do it.
It can happen but like murder the consequences are extreme which include the death penalty. Plus, the government performs tight regulation with regular and sporadic audits. Nothings impossible but Big Brother is always watching and he definitely has no sense of humor about this stuff.

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All that they are thinking about it the money. They are not thinking about the consequences for their treason. Same thing goes with contract killers, they just think about the prize.
What are you exactly trying to say? That nothing is 100% regulated and perfect... well.... duh!

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I agree with you. Who will take movies from hollywood seriously anyway?

Even the movies "based in a true story" are manipulated with fake events to make the movie more atractive.
What if there was evidence which showed that at least one Ph.D (in Instructional Communication) was working with film makers in Hollywood on methods of 'brainwashing?'

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Would that suggest to you that film has the capability of subliminally affecting our subconscious minds?
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Old 05-28-08, 01:57 AM   #53 (permalink)
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uhhh... yea. My knowledge comes from experience in the business. Where does yours come from?

Yes, the US government will... not US businesses. That is subtle but important difference.

Really? I've never heard and I'm curious. Got any reputable links? Or is it all a secret?? (shhh... they can hear you think)

It can happen but like murder the consequences are extreme which include the death penalty. Plus, the government performs tight regulation with regular and sporadic audits. Nothings impossible but Big Brother is always watching and he definitely has no sense of humor about this stuff.

What are you exactly trying to say? That nothing is 100% regulated and perfect... well.... duh!

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I think im just gunna ignore the ignorant responses.
To answer the actual questions in here, No at this exact moment i do not have 'reputable links' seeing as i dont get all my information off of the INTERNET.

And what is this 'Expierience in the bussiness' that you speak of? Where you a weapons designer for the government?

And if the Us Government is doing it, what makes you think they are gunna put regulations on US Business' doing it?

And i would also appreciate it if you werent so snide with your comments.

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Old 05-28-08, 02:27 AM   #54 (permalink)
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And if the Us Government is doing it, what makes you think they are gunna put regulations on US Business' doing it?
Because they don"t want their enemies getting weapons that will change the status quo against us or be used against us.

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And i would also appreciate it if you werent so snide with your comments.
Well your post reeked of naive opinion and irritatingly old misconceptions rather than arguing a position using facts and reputable sources. The only valid point you made was that people can't be perfectly controlled no matter how hard we try but then for some reason you ranted about how the US government and the people who make the weapons are somehow "contract killers" and "all that they are thinking about is the money."
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Re: What is "IRON MAN's" Message About America?

The message in IRON MAN is quite simple. Marvel has at last formed a studio; from hence forth all of their films can reference all their other material. IRON MAN was a slam dunk! While the upcoming HULK film is not currently tracking high, reliable media sources in LA have reported that it is on the IRON MAN level. It features Downey as Tony Stark and references the SUPER SOLDIER serum that created CAPTAIN AMERICA in WW2. Marvel has released their slate of films over the next 8 years. All of them culminate in a AVENGERS movie. Early word is that the Pitt will play THOR and honestly, who else could?
Marvel unveils super schedule - Entertainment News, Los Angeles, Media - Variety


BTW-Enjoyed the quick glimpse of a certain patriotic looking shield thingy in IRON MAN.

Add to it all the upcoming TONY STARK appearance in HULK as well as all the SHIELD references in IRON MAN. Throw in the Sam Jackson/Nick Fury post credit cameo and you have geek nirvana. If they can make it all pay off.

The true message in IRON MAN is that the collective artist and accountants at Marvel finally got on the same page of copyrights and trademarks!

Build it, with reverence for the source material, and they shall come.

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Old 05-28-08, 01:58 PM   #56 (permalink)
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Because they don"t want their enemies getting weapons that will change the status quo against us or be used against us.

Well your post reeked of naive opinion and irritatingly old misconceptions rather than arguing a position using facts and reputable sources. The only valid point you made was that people can't be perfectly controlled no matter how hard we try but then for some reason you ranted about how the US government and the people who make the weapons are somehow "contract killers" and "all that they are thinking about is the money."
You have some serios issues. You need to read what i said again. And maybe again and again until your puny mind can actually comprehend what i am saying. DO NOT twist my own words againts me. I never said that the US Government were contract killers, i simply compared the weapons designers and sellers to contract killers. Your just getting pissy because my post actually makes sense.

Also, I am going on facts, just because my resources dont come from the INTERNET (as if that is some reputable source in itself) doesnt mean that my facts arent credible.
And you never answered my question, What is this expierience that you speak of?

How are they Irritatingly Old Misconceptions, they are fact, facts that was admitted by THE US GOVERNMENT!

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Old 05-28-08, 04:24 PM   #57 (permalink)
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You have some serios issues. You need to read what i said again. And maybe again and again until your puny mind can actually comprehend what i am saying.
Explain where I am going wrong with my understanding. You don't seem to understand that accusations without support are meaningless in this environment unless your opinion is somehow valid.

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DO NOT twist my own words againts me. I never said that the US Government were contract killers, i simply compared the weapons designers and sellers to contract killers.
Then explain WHY weapons designers and sellers are similar to contract killers. Once again you just make a statement but don't explain why your statement is true. You just assume everyone should believe you because you say so.

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Your just getting pissy because my post actually makes sense.
I'm pissy because its irritating dealing with people who don't know how to form a valid argument.

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Also, I am going on facts, just because my resources dont come from the INTERNET (as if that is some reputable source in itself) doesnt mean that my facts arent credible.
Facts that come from thin air? Where do these supposed facts come from?

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How are they Irritatingly Old Misconceptions, they are fact, facts that was admitted by THE US GOVERNMENT!
When were they admitted and by whom??? More facts from thin air, I suppose!
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Explain where I am going wrong with my understanding. You don't seem to understand that accusations without support are meaningless in this environment unless your opinion is somehow valid.

Then explain WHY weapons designers and sellers are similar to contract killers. Once again you just make a statement but don't explain why your statement is true. You just assume everyone should believe you because you say so.

I'm pissy because its irritating dealing with people who don't know how to form a valid argument.

Facts that come from thin air? Where do these supposed facts come from?


When were they admitted and by whom??? More facts from thin air, I suppose!
Admitted by the US Governement. Idiot.
And if you would actually want to learn something, pick up a history book. That is one of the many sources i am getting this info from, along with the news, Press Conferences, Documentaries, etc...


AND ONCE AGAIN, READ WHAT I AM SAYING, I never said that weapons designers and seller where similar to contract killer, you are either just trying to twist my words, or your really that stupid. I was using an analogy.

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You don't seem to understand that accusations without support are meaningless in this environment unless your opinion is somehow valid.
Your an idiot, look at the definition of the word Opinion, it is not something to validated, because it is an OPINION.

You think your being smart, but your not, you STILL havent answered my question. Because your a liar.
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Admitted by the US Governement.
Where? When? There must be something verifiable!

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And if you would actually want to learn something, pick up a history book.
Give me a title and a page number and I'll go read. Give me a youTube link. I have access to scholarly articles and papers through my university too! Until then its becoming clear that you are a liar or ignorant. PROVE ME WRONG!

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That is one of the many sources i am getting this info from, along with the news, Press Conferences, Documentaries, etc...
With all these sources you should be able to point me in the direction of ONE that agrees with your claims.

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AND ONCE AGAIN, READ WHAT I AM SAYING, I never said that weapons designers and seller where similar to contract killer, you are either just trying to twist my words, or your really that stupid. I was using an analogy.
An anaolgy where you compared weapons makers to contract killers because both are "just in it for the money". What was your point or are you back pedaling now?

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Your an idiot, look at the definition of the word Opinion, it is not something to validated, because it is an OPINION.
Exactly. You are giving opinion about the defense industry. I am giving you facts because I've worked in it before!

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You think your being smart, but your not, you STILL havent answered my question. Because your a liar.
And if I gave you my name, address, title, position, and phone number you likely still wouldn't believe me. You don't have a god damn clue how the government procurement process works yet you stand here spouting off ridiculous assertions from God knows what sources. Why don't you take the time and go ask someone who knows what they're talking about.
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The US Military sold nuclear weapons blueprints and weapons to Russia, Costa Rica, and various third world countries.
proof ? links ?

I doubt it.
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