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Outfoxed: Rupert Murdoch's War on Journalism

vauge said:
Sorry IT2k, I think MC.no.spin got ya. Event though during "events" CNN is more watched by a large margin.

It is sad to see all the sheeps watch FoxNews and still believe it is news. :(
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So people who don't watch it live don't count? Headline News doesn't count?
 
Truth Detector said:
It's absurd, it is nonsensical, but it also begs the question I have posed and still wanting an answer from the Fox haters; how is the American public less informed with Fox News as one choice out of many? If anything, thanks to cable, the American public is MUCH better informed and has MORE choices. Why is it that primarily left leaning people always seem to argue for LESS choice? The answer is OBVIOUS if one is intellectually honest.
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A) Fox News misinforms people, regularly. Whether it be subtle things like labelling Larry Craig a (D) in the graffics(this happens too often to be an accident, but if it is, then they are incompetent) or O'Reilly claiming that there aren't 200,000 homeless vets in America. The misrepresentations are there.

B) Who is arguing for less choice? This is a loaded question. Why not just ask, "When did the left stop beating their wife?"
 
Sir Loin said:



Still trying to figure out how this is related to the two questions that Truth Detector posed. You highlighted them, and then ignored them to pose your own question. The aforementioned what stories is Fox reporting (that are true) that the others aren’t?

Also “he” Truth Detector has not responded to your inane question (a wise move IMO) so your point is rather DOA. Or just another ineffectual feint.

Fox News is insert complaint here.

Insert cable news channel name here news is insert complaint here.

Freely use your personal ideology to fill in the blanks. Apparently this activity is so enriching and substantive that it warrants about a thread a week, where everyone repeats the same intellectually bankrupt rhetoric.

What next? A few posts arguing there is no difference between political commentary and news reporting? If so, PeteEU has already wasted several days of his life arguing that idiocy. To very poor effect. In another of the weekly ‘Fox News is” threads so popular here and elsewhere on the world wide web.:roll:
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I answered, happy? Now, people are arguing that fox wins in ratings. Yet, during prime time, they don't have news programs. They are opinion programs. So should Fox change it's name to "Fox Opinion Channel"?
 
independent_thinker2002 said:
I answered, happy? Now, people are arguing that fox wins in ratings. Yet, during prime time, they don't have news programs. They are opinion programs. So should Fox change it's name to "Fox Opinion Channel"?
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Yeah they should. FOC News.

That about sums it up.
 
independent_thinker2002 said:
I answered, happy? Now, people are arguing that fox wins in ratings. Yet, during prime time, they don't have news programs. They are opinion programs. So should Fox change it's name to "Fox Opinion Channel"?
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Well since I see another unsupported claim that Fox misinforms people regularly, not really “happy” nor too upset. I do not expect much from you or anyone else in this regard. Y’all Fox News “is” folks never fail to amuse.

You’ll have to do better than regurgitate PeteEU’s singular example of an “R” for a “D” once on the O’Rielly Factor, if you want to attract serious attention and thought on the matter. Or point to an O’Rielly harangue as proof of a network systemically “misinforming” people. As it is, you are just preaching to the peanut gallery.

But there is likely one tiny spot in your claims that we agree on. The mislabeling or misidentifying of people does happen and has happened for quite a few decades now. Yet I never see conspiracy theories about any of the thousands (millions?) of prior instances batted around with any sincerity.

One time I saw ABC Sports mislabel a Dallas Cowboy defensive lineman as a Philadelphia Eagle tailback! Fortunately I don’t think anyone but absolute cretins spent the next few minutes, days or years wondering if this was a mistake or part of a corporate modus operandi.

Now of course let me answer what IMO is yet another inane question.

“…during prime time, they (Fox News) don't have news programs. They are opinion programs. So should Fox change it's name to "Fox Opinion Channel"?”

Let us take a look at today’s listing for prime time compared to your claim. Prime Time of course being from 7PM until 10PM. I’ll use central US time.

Fox News:
7PM-The Fox Report with Sheppard Smith
CNN:
7PM-Lou Dobbs Tonight
MSNBC:
7PM-Hardball with Chris Matthews
CNN Headline News:
7PM-Glenn Beck

Fox News:
8PM-The O’Rielly Factor
CNN:
8PM-Election Center
MSNBC:
8PM-Countdown with Keith Olberman
CNN Headline News:
8PM- Nancy Grace



Fox News:
9PM-Hannity & Colmes
CNN:
9PM-Larry King Live
MSNBC:
9PM-Verdict with Dan Abrams
CNN Headline News:
9PM-Showbiz Tonight

So the answer to your “question” is of course a very scoffing nope. Not at all.

And no Independent Thinker, I don’t expect you to address your claim as it stacks up to reality and the actual prime time programming of all the major cable news channels. Nor do I expect that you will admit that the programming of Fox stacks up pretty evenly with the rest in the prime time hours. Though it would be refreshingly honest if you did.
 
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Sir Loin said:


Well since I see another unsupported claim that Fox misinforms people regularly, not really “happy” nor too upset. I do not expect much from you or anyone else in this regard. Y’all Fox News “is” folks never fail to amuse.

You’ll have to do better than regurgitate PeteEU’s singular example of an “R” for a “D” once on the O’Rielly Factor, if you want to attract serious attention and thought on the matter. Or point to an O’Rielly harangue as proof of a network systemically “misinforming” people. As it is, you are just preaching to the peanut gallery.

But there is likely one tiny spot in your claims that we agree on. The mislabeling or misidentifying of people does happen and has happened for quite a few decades now. Yet I never see conspiracy theories about any of the thousands (millions?) of prior instances batted around with any sincerity.

One time I saw ABC Sports mislabel a Dallas Cowboy defensive lineman as a Philadelphia Eagle tailback! Fortunately I don’t think anyone but absolute cretins spent the next few minutes, days or years wondering if this was a mistake or part of a corporate modus operandi.

Now of course let me answer what IMO is yet another inane question.

“…during prime time, they (Fox News) don't have news programs. They are opinion programs. So should Fox change it's name to "Fox Opinion Channel"?”

Let us take a look at today’s listing for prime time compared to your claim. Prime Time of course being from 7PM until 10PM. I’ll use central US time.

Fox News:
7PM-The Fox Report with Sheppard Smith
CNN:
7PM-Lou Dobbs Tonight
MSNBC:
7PM-Hardball with Chris Matthews
CNN Headline News:
7PM-Glenn Beck

Fox News:
8PM-The O’Rielly Factor
CNN:
8PM-Election Center
MSNBC:
8PM-Countdown with Keith Olberman
CNN Headline News:
8PM- Nancy Grace



Fox News:
9PM-Hannity & Colmes
CNN:
9PM-Larry King Live
MSNBC:
9PM-Verdict with Dan Abrams
CNN Headline News:
9PM-Showbiz Tonight



So the answer to your “question” is of course a very scoffing nope. Not at all.


And no Independent Thinker, I don’t expect you to address your claim as it stacks up to reality and the actual prime time programming of all the major cable news channels. Nor do I expect that you will admit that the programming of Fox stacks up pretty evenly with the rest in the prime time hours. Though it would be refreshingly honest if you did.
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"But they did it too!"

I never said the other channels reported news during prime time. Nice distraction about my point.

As for misinformation, how much evidence would you like?
 
independent_thinker2002 said:
"But they did it too!"

I never said the other channels reported news during prime time. Nice distraction about my point.

As for misinformation, how much evidence would you like?
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I never said they did it too, I'm not a big subscriber to the whole who is biased and who aint biased argument bickering bah bah bah shuffle.

Post as much "misinformation" that has been proved or admitted to as you would like.

If you really feel nobody is reporting any news in prime time, I can’t quite understand what relevant point you are trying to make by singling out Fox. Can you ‘splain that one? What, the argument makes for great mental masturbation?:doh

 
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Sir Loin said:
I never said they did it too, I'm not a big subscriber to the whole who is biased and who aint biased argument bickering bah bah bah shuffle.

Post as much "misinformation" that has been proved as you would like.
If you really feel nobody is reporting any news in prime time, I can’t quite understand what relevant point you are trying to make by singling out Fox. Can you ‘splain that one?
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News is mixed in with opinion. But Fox misrepresents more than anyone.

You can find plenty here:

News Hounds: We watch FOX so you don't have to.
 
Sir Loin said:
Can you point to the study or investigation in your source that directly supports your claim that Fox misrepresents more than anyone? :roll:
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No. It is my opinion. I watch them all.
 
independent_thinker2002 said:
No. It is my opinion. I watch them all.
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I watch them all too, but you'll never catch me trying to spin the truth to suit my opinion like you just tried to. If you do, call me on it ASAP.

Thank you for being honest; it is a refreshing change of pace. It is also the first time I've ever met anybody that will admit they can't prove their Fox News "is" claim. :cool:
 
This is what news has become:

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Kudos to Fox News for really tackling the important issues. I bet if Fox was around in the late 80's the big story would have been "Would you vote for a President that hates broccoli?" After all, they are fair and balanced.

BTW, what does fair and balanced mean, anyway? That pretty much says that both sides have valid arguments, no? So let's say that A makes valid, unrefutible points, why then does B get an equal chance to spew crap? Don't you think that just muddies the watters and confuses people?
 
Middleground said:
This is what news has become:

bigstory-20070117-obama-tm.jpg


Kudos to Fox News for really tackling the important issues. I bet if Fox was around in the late 80's the big story would have been "Would you vote for a President that hates broccoli?" After all, they are fair and balanced.

BTW, what does fair and balanced mean, anyway? That pretty much says that both sides have valid arguments, no? So let's say that A makes valid, unrefutible points, why then does B get an equal chance to spew crap? Don't you think that just muddies the watters and confuses people?
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That is what is sad about all of the cable media. That may be why Olbermann is my favorite. He points out the absurdities. He also admits his mistakes. Other shows pretend that B has an equal argument even when it is absurd. They are partially to blame for the divisions in our country.
 
Middleground said:
This is what news has become:

bigstory-20070117-obama-tm.jpg


Kudos to Fox News for really tackling the important issues. I bet if Fox was around in the late 80's the big story would have been "Would you vote for a President that hates broccoli?" After all, they are fair and balanced.

BTW, what does fair and balanced mean, anyway? That pretty much says that both sides have valid arguments, no? So let's say that A makes valid, unrefutible points, why then does B get an equal chance to spew crap? Don't you think that just muddies the watters and confuses people?
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Well, pretty hackneyed work there. Again, why the focus on Fox News? Because they annoy you? Is CNN really the "most trusted source of news" despite Eason Jordan’s admissions? Well, of course it is just a slogan, lions… tigers and bears oh my!

Just between you and Independent Thinker, as long as we are being honest, how many threads would you say you have participated in where you have devoted time to debunking and screen capping any cable news channel aside from Fox News? Feel free to inundate me with links to those threads here at Debate Politics. I’d hate to think I was being presumptive.
 
Sir Loin said:
Well, pretty hackneyed work there. Again, why the focus on Fox News? Because they annoy you? Is CNN really the "most trusted source of news" despite Eason Jordan’s admissions? Well, of course it is just a slogan, lions… tigers and bears oh my!

Just between you and Independent Thinker, as long as we are being honest, how many threads would you say you have participated in where you have devoted time to debunking and screen capping any cable news channel aside from Fox News? Feel free to inundate me with links to those threads here at Debate Politics. I’d hate to think I was being presumptive.
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While you may have a point, why don't Fox fans do the same to the other networks? It's not like it's beneath them.
 
independent_thinker2002 said:
While you may have a point, why don't Fox fans do the same to the other networks? It's not like it's beneath them.
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I can’t really speak for whatever a “Fox News Fan” is supposed to be. Based upon the meanings collated here at DP thus far, I don’t expect that definition to hold much meaning in any rational sense.;)

One of my best friends is quite left wing and very very liberal. He even describes himself as an old hippy, just minus the dope since about 1993. He quite enjoys Fox News as well as all the cable news channels. Has voted in every election since he was eligible. Loves John Stewart and Steven Colbert and will be voting for whatever democrat gets the nomination. I wonder, is he a “Fox News Fan” because he would scoff at the threads and rhetorical screeds about Fox News at this and many other websites?

Frankly speaking, you avoided my question to you. Exactly how often have you participated in a thread or spent time advocating or articulating your stated opinions, with regard to any other cable news channel here at Debate Politics? The answer is as you know, quite illuminating. Nes pa?
 
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new coup for you said:
at this point you either understand what Fox is, or you're hopeless. There's no point in debate.
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new coup for you said:
I actually do meet a lot of liberals who watch Fox for fun, but I can't imagine that they're a significant percentage of Fox's viewership.
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And right on cue…………..the aforementioned and frequently preached to peanut gallery.:smoking:
 
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Sir Loin said:
I can’t really speak for whatever a “Fox News Fan” is supposed to be. Based upon the meanings collated here at DP thus far, I don’t expect that definition to hold much meaning in any rational sense.;)

One of my best friends is quite left wing and very very liberal. He even describes himself as an old hippy, just minus the dope since about 1993. He quite enjoys Fox News as well as all the cable news channels. Has voted in every election since he was eligible. Loves John Stewart and Steven Colbert and will be voting for whatever democrat gets the nomination. I wonder, is he a “Fox News Fan” because he would scoff at the threads and rhetorical screeds about Fox News at this and many other websites?

Frankly speaking, you avoided my question to you. Exactly how often have you participated in a thread or spent time advocating or articulating your stated opinions, with regard to any other cable news channel here at Debate Politics? The answer is as you know, quite illuminating. Nes pa?
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I told you my opinion. I attack Fox more than any other. MSNBC is my favorite. CNN is pretty irrelevant in my eyes. Although I tore Rick Sanchez a new one not too long ago. I am no fan of Glenn Beck or Lou Dobbs either. I usually don't start these threads though. If I see one, I will chime in. Sorry I didn't answer the question. I thought it was rhetorical. You can't tell me that my answer surprises you.
 
Sir Loin said:
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And right on cue…………..the aforementioned and frequently preached to peanut gallery.:smoking:
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Seriously though, in my eyes, O'Reilly, Hannity, and Gibson (I hear he just got cancelled) are the worst of all the networks, IMO.

You can demonize me for my opinion all you want. I still will hold that opinion. I suppose FNC is like licorice and the Greatful Dead, either you love 'em or you hate 'em. ;)
 
And you know, for all of the whining I hear about the liberal MSM, I don't see much evidence of it put forth.
 
independent_thinker2002 said:
I told you my opinion. I attack Fox more than any other. MSNBC is my favorite. CNN is pretty irrelevant in my eyes. Although I tore Rick Sanchez a new one not too long ago. I am no fan of Glenn Beck or Lou Dobbs either. I usually don't start these threads though. If I see one, I will chime in. Sorry I didn't answer the question. I thought it was rhetorical. You can't tell me that my answer surprises you.
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Yes you only chime in on these Fox News “is” threads, and yes I already knew that.

independent_thinker2002 said:
Seriously though, in my eyes, O'Reilly, Hannity, and Gibson (I hear he just got cancelled) are the worst of all the networks, IMO.
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independent_thinker2002 said:
You can demonize me for my opinion all you want. I still will hold that opinion. I suppose FNC is like licorice and the Greatful Dead, either you love 'em or you hate 'em.
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Don’t know if Gibson is cancelled or not. Don’t care either.

I happen to hold Olberman in pretty poor regard. Yeah he is funny, but more than often puerile. Very like these Fox News “is” threads are.

I was not demonizing you by the way; I was referring to new peanut gallery 4 u.

independent_thinker2002 said:
And you know, for all of the whining I hear about the liberal MSM, I don't see much evidence of it put forth.
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Nor do I. That is why I don’t really bother “chiming in” on those asinine threads; most of which originate with Aquapub. Ya know, because I can’t point to any real “evidence” to support that shite. Remind you of anything?:cool:
 
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Sir Loin said:
I happen to hold Olberman in pretty poor regard. Yeah he is funny, but more than often puerile. Very like these Fox News “is” threads are.
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Yes, he can be. But that is usually at the end of the show. The first 1/2 -2/3 of the show is pretty straight forward.
 
Sir Loin said:
Well, pretty hackneyed work there. Again, why the focus on Fox News? Because they annoy you? Is CNN really the "most trusted source of news" despite Eason Jordan’s admissions? Well, of course it is just a slogan, lions… tigers and bears oh my!

Just between you and Independent Thinker, as long as we are being honest, how many threads would you say you have participated in where you have devoted time to debunking and screen capping any cable news channel aside from Fox News? Feel free to inundate me with links to those threads here at Debate Politics. I’d hate to think I was being presumptive.
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How does the above address my post?

Can you honestly look at the "news story" headline and actually think "wow, this is something that the public truly needs to know in order to be informed!"?
 
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