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MSM Demonstrates Double Standard

you're actually wrong about aquapub. he sticks to his guns and keeps at it. he'll wear you down, before you drive him away. he'll be back here, guaranteed, with even more fallacies and falsehoods.


Well he sure did not stick to his guns here, after claiming several facts that his own links proved incorrect. But I believe you because I see that in the time period since he slunk off he just posted the same theme over again with a different title and example. But if he wants to come back to this thread with more fallacies and falsehoods, I won't be feeling much worn down by that type of post.

Thanks


Maybe he did learn something here, to read his own links! ;)
 
This is a perfect example of the fallacious and incredibly trite and hackneyed "liberal media bias" argument.

Since "the media" is so vast and subject to so many forces that proving systemic bias is impossible, those, like Aquapub, who believe in a liberal media bias, like the good conspiracy theorists they are (liberals have infiltrated the media, colleges, and the courts to spread their nefarious liberal agenda) can only resort to anecdotal evidence.

But as any freshman debator will tell you, anecdotal evidence is the lamest kind. It doesn't prove anything and is easily countered with an opposing anecdote.

For example, I'll see Aquapub's Limbaugh Drug Bust Media Circus anecdote, and raise him a Clinton Sex Scandal Media Orgy.

Never mind that the LMB argument is patently ridiculous on its face. We’re supposed to believe that “the media,” which is mostly owned and operated by giant global media conglomerates run by capitalist plutocrats in a free market system, somehow has a liberal bias? That these nefarious liberals have infiltrated even the sanctity of the boardroom, using their media empires to spread their liberal agenda?

The media does have a bias, it’s called profit. Make it or die. And that’s called capitalism. Does capitalism have a liberal bias?
 
This is a perfect example of the fallacious and incredibly trite and hackneyed "liberal media bias" argument.

Since "the media" is so vast and subject to so many forces that proving systemic bias is impossible, those, like Aquapub, who believe in a liberal media bias, like the good conspiracy theorists they are (liberals have infiltrated the media, colleges, and the courts to spread their nefarious liberal agenda) can only resort to anecdotal evidence.

But as any freshman debator will tell you, anecdotal evidence is the lamest kind. It doesn't prove anything and is easily countered with an opposing anecdote.

For example, I'll see Aquapub's Limbaugh Drug Bust Media Circus anecdote, and raise him a Clinton Sex Scandal Media Orgy.

Never mind that the LMB argument is patently ridiculous on its face. We’re supposed to believe that “the media,” which is mostly owned and operated by giant global media conglomerates run by capitalist plutocrats in a free market system, somehow has a liberal bias? That these nefarious liberals have infiltrated even the sanctity of the boardroom, using their media empires to spread their liberal agenda?

The media does have a bias, it’s called profit. Make it or die. And that’s called capitalism. Does capitalism have a liberal bias?

Oh bravo sir, well played sir.

So often editorial opinion is mistaken for reporting. If Limbaugh says Gore won a Nobel and then offers his op/ed following that, he delivered news followed by his opinion. Vice versa the same is true if Al Franken says Al Gore won a Nobel and then offers his op/ed following that, he also delivered news followed by his opinion. It is the zealots with torches at the castle gates that start marching following either.
 
Does capitalism have a liberal bias?
If you're looking for it, you'll find it.

the media are plural. when one says, "media are," rather than "media is," it becomes more clear how various and non-monolithic the media are. some would have us believe, as they do, that the media act in unison, all at once, at the whim of George Soros. Or sumpin'.
 
If you're looking for it, you'll find it.

the media are plural. when one says, "media are," rather than "media is," it becomes more clear how various and non-monolithic the media are. some would have us believe, as they do, that the media act in unison, all at once, at the whim of George Soros. Or sumpin'.

No you got it all backwards. It is all at the whim of Rupert Murdoch!:!:
 
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For example, I'll see Aquapub's Limbaugh Drug Bust Media Circus anecdote, and raise him a Clinton Sex Scandal Media Orgy.

You mean the Clinton sexual assault/harassment/perjury defense the MSM engaged in and engages in to this day? The liberal MSM will always refer to it as Clinton being impeached for having sex with an intern, and that the Republicans in congress tried to get him removed because he had an affair. That is a blatant lie but that is how they paint it. And many here believe that is what happened because they rely on CBS,NBC,ABC,MSNBC,NYT,LAT,NPR,Newsweek,Time and the rest of the LMSM.
 
You mean the Clinton sexual assault/harassment/perjury defense the MSM engaged in and engages in to this day? The liberal MSM will always refer to it as Clinton being impeached for having sex with an intern, and that the Republicans in congress tried to get him removed because he had an affair. That is a blatant lie but that is how they paint it. And many here believe that is what happened because they rely on CBS,NBC,ABC,MSNBC,NYT,LAT,NPR,Newsweek,Time and the rest of the LMSM.

So CBS, NBC, ABC, MSNBC, NYT, LAT, NPR, Newsweek, and Time are all part of the "liberal MSM" conspiracy cabal? Never mind that I could site reams of examples of “conservative” bias from all these sources (e.g. their mindless, uncritical cheerleading of the run up to the war). But that would all be anecdotal evidence, proving nothing.

But I’ll indulge you, Stinger. Please explain how, and most importantly, why these profit-driven corporations operating in a free-market capitalist system would have a liberal bias. Are you saying that the plutocrats on the boards of these companies believe in increased government regulation of their industries? In strong labor laws? In increasing the taxes they pay? In reigning in corporate power? Or do these plutocrats not know that “liberals” have infiltrated their companies and are spreading their nefarious agenda?

That’s patently ridiculous, but that’s what you’re claiming when you use the term “liberal MSM.” And while we’re at it, please define the term “liberal,” because until you do that, referring to the “liberal MSM” is just parroting a meaningless dittohead catchphrase and renders your argument null.

Again, proving systemic bias of any kind in the “MSM” is impossible. But just for the sake of argument, let’s say the MSM did have a liberal bias. Since the MSM = free-market capitalism, then, ergo, free-market capitalism = liberal bias. If so, then maybe liberalism just sells better in the free market.

So if you don’t like the MSM, you just don’t like capitalism. You do like capitalism, don’t you Stinger?
 
So CBS, NBC, ABC, MSNBC, NYT, LAT, NPR, Newsweek, and Time are all part of the "liberal MSM" conspiracy cabal?

Oh I don't know that they necessarily "conspire", but they certainly are the LMSM.

But I’ll indulge you, Stinger. Please explain how, and most importantly, why these profit-driven corporations operating in a free-market capitalist system would have a liberal bias.

It has less to do with the corporation that owns them it has to do with the news directors and reporters.
That’s patently ridiculous, but that’s what you’re claiming when you use the term “liberal MSM.”

Yes, and I gave a clear example of how they protected Clinton and do so to this day by misrepresenting what happened during his impeachment.

And while we’re at it, please define the term “liberal,” because until you do that, referring to the “liberal MSM” is just parroting a meaningless dittohead catchphrase and renders your argument null.

If you can't make that distinction I can't help you.

Again, proving systemic bias of any kind in the “MSM” is impossible. But just for the sake of argument, let’s say the MSM did have a liberal bias. Since the MSM = free-market capitalism, then, ergo, free-market capitalism = liberal bias. If so, then maybe liberalism just sells better in the free market.

Then why does FOX get better ratings with it's balanced coverage?

So if you don’t like the MSM, you just don’t like capitalism.

I've never heard a more disjointed argument.
 
If this were Romeny of Thompson or Giuliani with the same accusation, the same evidence, the same publication I have no doubt we would be seeing 24/7 coverage and front page NYT, lead story Hardball and every morning show covering it. Because it is Edwards the MSM is refusing coverage.

That is just conventional wisdom.

Rofl....yeah.....because we all know the MSM refused to cover Clinton's sex scandal...

Here is the original article by the Huffington Post(Cough.)

Scrubbed: Edwards Filmmaker's Deleted Website Raises Questions - Politics on The Huffington Post

Moreover, why did Edwards choose someone with limited film experience to document his behind-the-scenes campaign presence - "the real John Edwards"? The Senator's campaign, likewise, did not return calls requesting comment.

And was the more than $100,000 spent by Edwards' One American Committee - itself dedicated to fighting poverty and lifting Americans into the middle class - worth it?

According to several experts on the topic, the project was unique, portraying the senator in a positive informal light that could potentially benefit his presidential campaign. But the cost of the films, they say, was higher than that of traditional political video.

"In terms of politics it's a lot. In terms of non-political production it is chump change," said Jeremy Thompson, a Democratic media consultant, who works for the organization Reelpolitik. "The combination of how much was paid, the experience factor and how many pieces [Midline] made, made the whole thing a bit surprising."

All these questions come after :

There is virtually no mention of filmmaking or politics on the site. And there is little indication as to what Hunter did professionally - beyond an involvement in various spiritual quests - before she and her partner, Mimi Hockman, started Midline Groove Production in the spring of 2006. As Colin Weil, a consultant to the Edwards webisodes told the Huffington Post: "Neither of them had done tons and tons of stuff before hand... The whole [Edwards' taping] was pretty organic."

And posting...

being is free : love everyone: fame

..........

Is this what all this is based off? A personal website? Hahahahahahahha oh what a fvcking joke.
 
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Rofl....yeah.....because we all know the MSM refused to cover Clinton's sex scandal...

They covered all right......................they defended him and chastized anyone who tried to hold him accountable. They were part and parcel to the attempts to make it JUST an affair ignoring his breaking the law and his treatment of subordinate employees. They do it to this day. Watch Hardball, if it comes up they will state that Republicans impeached him for having sex with an intern, wrong.




I have no idea what the rest of your post has to do with this and what I posted.
 
LFMAO!

The National Enquirer is your new source of reliable "fair and balanced" news?

I thought I'd seen it all ....

National Enquirer Headline: 'Woman Gives Birth to a Frog" So if you want to quote them as a news source go right ahead and I'll watch The Simpsons for my news.
 
National Enquirer Headline: 'Woman Gives Birth to a Frog" So if you want to quote them as a news source go right ahead and I'll watch The Simpsons for my news.

My point exactly.

But as Aquapub clarified, he wasn't citing the NE as a source for the news but to argue that the response to an NE about a Democrat received less attention than a NE article about a Republican.
 
Oh I don't know that they necessarily "conspire", but they certainly are the LMSM.

Argument by repetition. The media is liberal because Stinger says it is.

Unless you define what you mean by "liberal," and then provide evidence of systemic bias without resorting to highly subjective and cherry-picked anecdotes, your "argument" is exactly what I said it is: a hackneyed dittohead rant.


It has less to do with the corporation that owns them it has to do with the news directors and reporters.

Right, so the capitalists who own the MSM are smart enough to create and profit handsomely from these corporations, but they're too stupid to realize their companies are rife with subversive liberals.

Sorry Stinger, if it quacks like a conspiracy theory...


Yes, and I gave a clear example of how they protected Clinton and do so to this day by misrepresenting what happened during his impeachment.

Please tell me who "they" are, and why "they" want to protect Clinton.

Your "clear example" is a completely subjective, unsubstantiated, unprovable pet peeve of yours. What this is a "clear example" of is your own bias.


If you can't make that distinction I can't help you.
A cop out. The truth is, Stinger, you won't define "liberal" because you can't, becuase you don't really know what you mean by it, except "stuff I disagree with," or more likely, "what Rush says is liberal."

But liberal actually has a concrete meaning, and is a legitimate, definable political ideology. Since you can't define it, I'll do the honors:

"Favorable to or in accord with concepts of maximum individual freedom possible, esp. as guaranteed by law and secured by governmental protection of civil liberties. Favoring or permitting freedom of action, esp. with respect to matters of personal belief or expression. Free from prejudice or bigotry; tolerant. Free of or not bound by traditional or conventional ideas, values, etc."

Sounds pretty good to me, Stinger. So what part of that do you disagree with? Or are you going to tell me the dictionary has a liberal bias?

If only the MSM had that bias. You know what does have a liberal bias? The #$&%ing Constitution!


Then why does FOX get better ratings with it's balanced coverage?
LOL!



I've never heard a more disjointed argument.
That's it, you're just going to call my argument names? Lame.
 
Argument by repetition. The media is liberal because Stinger says it is.

Not because of what I say, because of what they say.
Unless you define what you mean by "liberal,"

You are confused as to what the liberal side of our political spectrum is?


Right, so the capitalists who own the MSM are smart enough to create and profit handsomely from these corporations, but they're too stupid to realize their companies are rife with subversive liberals.

They are in it to make money, not control content.


Please tell me who "they" are, and why "they" want to protect Clinton.

They are the MSM, and they invested everything in him to create their new Camelot, too bad they picked a sleaze bag to lead it.
Your "clear example" is a completely subjective, unsubstantiated, unprovable pet peeve of yours. What this is a "clear example" of is your own bias.

Head in sand I see.

A cop out. The truth is, Stinger, you won't define "liberal" because you can't, becuase you don't really know what you mean by it, except "stuff I disagree with," or more likely, "what Rush says is liberal."

Like I said I can't help you if you haven't figured it out by now.
But liberal actually has a concrete meaning, and is a legitimate, definable political ideology. Since you can't define it, I'll do the honors:

OK
"Favorable to or in accord with concepts of maximum individual freedom possible

Like not having a government run health care system which will dictate my health care to me?
Like allowing for school vouchers so parents have the individual freedom to send their kids to the school of their choice?
Like being able to use my property as I see fit and not how a government official allows me too?

, esp. as guaranteed by law and secured by governmental protection of civil liberties.

Like owning a gun with is a constitutional liberty. Like the Fairness Doctrine.

Favoring or permitting freedom of action, esp. with respect to matters of personal belief or expression.

Like when the liberals shouted down David Horowitz the other night? Like the Fairness Doctrine?

Free from prejudice or bigotry; tolerant."

Like tolerant of our military on college campuses?

Free of or not bound by traditional or conventional ideas, values, etc.

Like refusing to adopt new policies and ideas about Social Security but insisting on the same old failed policy. Like refusing to even discuss a better more efficient tax system clinging to the old ways we currently have.

Sounds pretty good to me

Me too, don't see much different from my conservative views there.

, Stinger. So what part of that do you disagree with?

None, but I pointed out where the liberals do.

Or are you going to tell me the dictionary has a liberal bias?

Nope but I will tell you the dictionary does a lousy job of covering politics.

Originally Posted by Stinger
Then why does FOX get better ratings with it's balanced coverage?

Stumped you on that one eh.


Originally Posted by Stinger
I've never heard a more disjointed argument.

That's it, you're just going to call my argument names? Lame.

"disjointed" adjective, not a noun. :rofl lame.
 

Well since you don’t seem to have your facts in order I’d agree that there is a certain meaningless in the air around this thread. But let us see if we can actually address your first claim.

From your opening post:

The National Enquirer reported that Rush Limbaugh was under investigation for allegedly illegally obtaining prescription drugs on October 3, 2003. The rag herself did not make any accusation; they reported that they had information that an investigation was under way. They also reported that their source was the person who initiated the investigation and listed the Cline emails as proof. Naturaly Palm Beach refused to confirm or deny the investigation.

Had the Enquirer reported just the allegation maybe you would have a leg to stand on. The Enquirer reported the accusers claim that “he is a drug addict” and correctly reported he was under investigation. Hardly a big conspiracy here, he was in fact both a drug addict and under investigation.

As regards Edwards there is no criminal investigation to report here, just another bimbo eruption in a presidential cycle. If you can’t see the stark difference between the two, maybe you should clean your political lenses. If you don’t understand why bimbo allegations are not the same hot potato as an actual criminal investigation you are beyond help. In a self imposed vacuum as it were.

Produce the very article in National Enquirer that you decry if you want to argue about what was actually said in the rag. Bear in mind that there are pesky little laws like libel and slander that come about when rags just “accuse” ad hoc as you claim.


While I won’t dismiss WorldNet Daily outright as a news source, it would help if you actually read your own source. Particularly as it pertains to your claim that there was no investigation at the time of the article. Also, and it is telling you need this explained, the investigation was hardly "bogus" in any meaning of the word. At least if you meant that bromide in English.

According to you and the WorldNet Daily link, it is detailed that before the story became public she was already in touch with authorities and even wore a wire while meeting with El Rushbo to aid their investigation. Produce proof that this only occurred after the story broke in The Enquirer. Even your own linked Newsweek story reports that Limbaugh’s house keeper approached Palm Beach authorities about the matter in late 2002. Enquirer did not report their story until October 2003.

Also explain why Limbaugh would still be meeting with her in a Denny’s parking lot for more drugs if he knew she had already blown him into The National Enquirer!? Make sure to explain how she was wearing a wire for authorities if she went to the Enquirer first and they reported her allegations, thus blowing her own cover and THEN starting an investigation.

Try this without making up your own facts, and try to have it at least appear to jibe with your own posted sources. This ought to be good.

As your basic claims about the substance of the National Enquirer article are unsupported you are just bloviating now.

1) If whether or not the allegation turns out to be true determines whether relentless media coverage is indicative of bias or warranted, then the Duke Lacrosse case alone proves the media is left-wing as hell. But Rush's "scandal" was BS anyway, as the outcome demonstrates.

2) After Limbaugh was investigated for three years over an alleged crime that virtually never gets prosecuted (illegally buying prescription painkillers for chronic back pain), persecutor, Barry E. Krischer, never produced a single crime. The case ended in a plea deal with no admission of any guilt. If this "evidence" was compelling and legitimate enough for the media to get past the fact that it was coming through a tabloid and report on as you claim, then why wasn't the prosecutor able to make anything stick?

3) The National Enquirer has zero credibility and has been sued repeatedly for making outrageously false claims on sham evidence. When the National Enquirer "harmlessly reports someone else's charges" and then produces "evidence" to support them, that in no way warrants serious media attention, any more than their reporting of allegations against John Edwards' marital fidelity. To pretend otherwise is completely intellectually dishonest.

4) This Edwards thing has all kinds of interesting twists for the media to get involved with-the now vanished documentary this woman allegedly made (supposedly the reason she was with him) that Edwards paid over $100,000 her for, the woman's web site that was shut down which mentioned nothing about any film being made, the drugs, the debt, etc. The media did not cover this because it was the National Enquirer...and because the accusation they were making was not against a Republican.

Point out that the story and headlines actually read quite differently than claimed, challenge Aquapub to back up his assertions with facts. What happens?

*Poof* He vanishes to start other threads (same theme) and abandons the thread he started with faulty information. I’d have been more impressed with an admission that he picked a bad example to try and make his case with. But slinking away is also a telling outcome.

How is anyone supposed to buy your claims about this "scandal" when you are sitting here demonstrating that you operate on assumptions? Way to think it through. :lol:
 
1) If whether or not the allegation turns out to be true determines whether relentless media coverage is indicative of bias or warranted, then the Duke Lacrosse case alone proves the media is left-wing as hell. But Rush's "scandal" was BS anyway, as the outcome demonstrates.

Really? I fail to see the proof of media bias from the Duke case that singularly makes an axiom of the adage “left wing media. All media covered the story in the same shades and those of with well calibrated tricorders saw the gianormous flaws in the case long before the courts concurred.

Limbaugh was investigated for three years over an alleged crime that virtually never gets prosecuted (illegally buying prescription painkillers for chronic back pain), persecutor, Barry E. Krischer, never produced a single crime. The case ended in a plea deal with no admission of any guilt. If this "evidence" was compelling and legitimate enough for the media to get past the fact that it was coming through a tabloid and report on as you claim, then why wasn't the prosecutor able to make anything stick?


Yes that is a problem with many humans gifted with an IQ above room temperature. They often notice that the story was a report about an actual investigation that was coming not through the National Enquirer as you have tried to erroneously claim before. They reported it, and really a chattering monkey could have grasped this by now. Perhaps had you even a passing familiarity with the actual time line of the event it might help you not to blunder into completely savant arguments rendered intellectually mute some time ago.

My challenge to you to explain how Limbaugh was set up on tape by his “dealer” after (as you claimed) she first went to the press went unanswered. For painfully obvious reasons, avoiding the tough facts does not make you a debate prodigal.


3) The National Enquirer has zero credibility and has been sued repeatedly for making outrageously false claims on sham evidence. When the National Enquirer "harmlessly reports someone else's charges" and then produces "evidence" to support them, that in no way warrants serious media attention, any more than their reporting of allegations against John Edwards' marital fidelity. To pretend otherwise is completely intellectually dishonest.

Yes, it is well established that in addition to your selective dodging of “inconvenient facts” you will regurgitate the same material which left you already searching for something approaching a rationale reply. Repeats already debunked are really the sign of a true hack.

To explain yet again, the NE only reported upon a situation already underway. Contrary to your prior assertion, which oddly you have chosen to not acknowledge or incorporate into your latest representation of specious claim. How utterly selective of you.

Do you feel this serves your stance here in a positive way? Do wax eloquent if you have a theory that can explain it all away.


4) This Edwards thing has all kinds of interesting twists for the media to get involved with-the now vanished documentary this woman allegedly made (supposedly the reason she was with him) that Edwards paid over $100,000 her for, the woman's web site that was shut down which mentioned nothing about any film being made, the drugs, the debt, etc. The media did not cover this because it was the National Enquirer...and because the accusation they were making was not against a Republican.

Well there is much to be noted about your dogged hold upon the only smidgen of your original thesis. Sadly you for, even trying to reduce it all to the NE is just more losers limp. The situation has been explained numerous times to you, from posers across the political spectrum. The fallacy of your mantra utterly gutted but you still keep serving the same moldy mutton.

How is anyone supposed to buy your claims about this "scandal" when you are sitting here demonstrating that you operate on assumptions? Way to think it through.

I believe the “claims’ within this thread are emanating from your general direction. Maybe you can spare the time to actually reacquaint yourself with the subject matter?
 
Really? I fail to see the proof of media bias from the Duke case that singularly makes an axiom of the adage “left wing media. All media covered the story in the same shades and those of with well calibrated tricorders saw the gianormous flaws in the case long before the courts concurred.

Long after it was solidly proven that the Duke Lacrosse case was a fraud, the mainstream papers were still clinging to their Atticus Finch (Nifong), convinced he was this somber hero fighting a racial injustice against a defenseless black woman.

The Duke case was "reminiscent of a black woman's vulnerability to a white man during the days of slavery, reconstruction and Jim Crow."

Washington Post. The Duke Case's Cruel Truth. May 24, 2006; Page C01

The accuser's history of making false accusations of gang rape, the players' alibis and the prosecutor's lies were all known to The New York Times when it reported on Aug. 25, 2006, that there was "a body of evidence to support his decision to take the matter to a jury...In several important areas, the full files, reviewed by The New York Times, contain evidence stronger than that highlighted by the defense."

NY Times. Files From Duke Rape Case Give Details but No Answers. August 25, 2006

Yes that is a problem with many humans gifted with an IQ above room temperature. They often notice that the story was a report about an actual investigation that was coming not through the National Enquirer as you have tried to erroneously claim before.

My claim was accurate. They not only reported the bs investigation, but then they posted emails trying to bolster the case...the case that went nowhere, even after three years of investigating. That makes the Enquirer a part of the accusation.

The reason for pointing out that the investigation went nowhere and was BS is that that clearly indicates that this investigation never had any substantive evidence, yet the media ran with it. Seriously, even a chattering monkey could've grasped this by now. ;)

My challenge to you to explain how Limbaugh was set up on tape by his “dealer” after (as you claimed) she first went to the press went unanswered. For painfully obvious reasons, avoiding the tough facts does not make you a debate prodigal.

In English please...? For painfully obvious reasons, your illiterate sputtering of sentence fragments and impotent smears does not get you around the fact that this story was a farce from the beginning, yet the media coverage was like night and day to the National Enquirers reports about John Edwards' alleged affair.

Yes, it is well established that in addition to your selective dodging of “inconvenient facts” you will regurgitate the same material which left you already searching for something approaching a rationale reply. Repeats already debunked are really the sign of a true hack.

:bs More smears. It is you who persistently refuses to address the facts.

To explain yet again, the NE only reported upon a situation already underway. Contrary to your prior assertion, which oddly you have chosen to not acknowledge or incorporate into your latest representation of specious claim. How utterly selective of you.

If I didn't include it in my latest post, that would be because it was already addressed. Repeating debunked claims is a sign of a true hack. I'll repeat it yet again. When a paper not only reports on a BS investigation, but then posts BS evidence to bolster the BS investigation, that makes them a part of the accusation.

Do you feel this serves your stance here in a positive way? Do wax eloquent if you have a theory that can explain it all away.

As opposed to sputtering out bipolar PMS rants at a 2nd grade reading level and repeatedly smearing people for only debunking your erroneous claims a handful of times? Sure. :lol:

Well there is much to be noted about your dogged hold upon the only smidgen of your original thesis. Sadly you for, even trying to reduce it all to the NE is just more losers limp. The situation has been explained numerous times to you, from posers across the political spectrum. The fallacy of your mantra utterly gutted but you still keep serving the same moldy mutton.

Translation: "Maybe if I smear him relentlessly, no one will notice that I haven't addressed his points."

I believe the “claims’ within this thread are emanating from your general direction. Maybe you can spare the time to actually reacquaint yourself with the subject matter?

Here, I will restate the facts and give you yet another opportunity to actually address them, this time after you've had a chance to take your Midol and learn how to express your mindless hissy fits in coherent English:

1) If whether or not the allegation turns out to be true determines whether relentless media coverage is indicative of bias or warranted, then the Duke Lacrosse case alone proves the media is left-wing as hell. But Rush's "scandal" was BS anyway, as the outcome demonstrates.

2) After Limbaugh was investigated for three years over an alleged crime that virtually never gets prosecuted (illegally buying prescription painkillers for chronic back pain), persecutor, Barry E. Krischer, never produced a single crime. The case ended in a plea deal with no admission of any guilt. If this "evidence" was compelling and legitimate enough for the media to get past the fact that it was coming through a tabloid and report on as you claim, then why wasn't the prosecutor able to make anything stick?

3) The National Enquirer has zero credibility and has been sued repeatedly for making outrageously false claims on sham evidence. When the National Enquirer "harmlessly reports someone else's charges" and then produces "evidence" to support them, that in no way warrants serious media attention, any more than their reporting of allegations against John Edwards' marital fidelity. To pretend otherwise is completely intellectually dishonest.

4) This Edwards thing has all kinds of interesting twists for the media to get involved with-the now vanished documentary this woman allegedly made (supposedly the reason she was with him) that Edwards paid over $100,000 her for, the woman's web site that was shut down which mentioned nothing about any film being made, the drugs, the debt, etc. The media did not cover this because it was the National Enquirer...and because the accusation they were making was not against a Republican.
 
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Long after it was solidly proven that the Duke Lacrosse case was a fraud, the mainstream papers were still clinging to their Atticus Finch (Nifong), convinced he was this somber hero fighting a racial injustice against a defenseless black woman.
The Duke case was "reminiscent of a black woman's vulnerability to a white man during the days of slavery, reconstruction and Jim Crow."

Washington Post. The Duke Case's Cruel Truth. May 24, 2006; Page C01

The accuser's history of making false accusations of gang rape, the players' alibis and the prosecutor's lies were all known to The New York Times when it reported on Aug. 25, 2006, that there was "a body of evidence to support his decision to take the matter to a jury...In several important areas, the full files, reviewed by The New York Times, contain evidence stronger than that highlighted by the defense."

NY Times. Files From Duke Rape Case Give Details but No Answers. August 25, 2006

Your initial premise for this thread has been soundly disproved and parts of it selectively abandoned by you. Particularly as regards your foolish claims regarding the Limbaugh case, where it turned out you had not even bothered to read your own sources. That gutted your argument. You vacated that inconvenient series of facts at Warp 10 and set course for the second straw man to the right.

My claim was accurate. They not only reported the bs investigation, but then they posted emails trying to bolster the case...the case that went nowhere, even after three years of investigating. That makes the Enquirer a part of the accusation.
The reason for pointing out that the investigation went nowhere and was BS is that that clearly indicates that this investigation never had any substantive evidence, yet the media ran with it. Seriously, even a chattering monkey could've grasped this by now.

Your “claim” was full of errors. Claims inadvertently proven by.......... you. Your failure to intellectually grasp or acknowledge the concept of the timeline provided by you does bring to mind certain rudimentary skill sets many simian species can master.

The investigation actually went quite far, but again you are ignoring factual matters in order to dissemble.

In English please...? For painfully obvious reasons, your illiterate sputtering of sentence fragments and impotent smears does not get you around the fact that this story was a farce from the beginning, yet the media coverage was like night and day to the National Enquirers reports about John Edwards' alleged affair.

Had you the intestinal fortitude to address and acknowledge the deficiencies in your argument, it would lend much more credence to your attempts to play the aloof intellectual. One that claims correction of his errors and misstatements are impotent smears and sentence fragments.

More smears. It is you who persistently refuses to address the facts.

You’re getting a tad redundant in your laziness. I think that the Lakota Sioux would likely name you Cries Smear Often. Do you care to back up your specious claim or can we assume this is just a typical simian feces flinging demonstration?

If I didn't include it in my latest post, that would be because it was already addressed. Repeating debunked claims is a sign of a true hack. I'll repeat it yet again. When a paper not only reports on a BS investigation, but then posts BS evidence to bolster the BS investigation, that makes them a part of the accusation.

You did not “include it” “acknowledge it” or address “it” in any way shape or form. But feel free to find “it” and show us where “it” is currently “hidden” at. Repeating debunked claims is indeed a sign or a poorly talented hack. Adding healthy does of intellectual dishonesty and repeating the same claim with a revolving cast of straw men really helps ramp up the hack factor too.


As opposed to sputtering out bipolar PMS rants at a 2nd grade reading level and repeatedly smearing people for only debunking your erroneous claims a handful of times? Sure.

Simians often begin to verbalize following an initial feces flinging. An angry chest thumping to a staccato of guttural bluffs and goads is also part of the demonstration. Among Homo sapien pseudo intellectual posers this is also commonly known as the ad homonym stage.


Translation: "Maybe if I smear him relentlessly, no one will notice that I haven't addressed his points." .

And now back to the “smear” gambit and more posturing amid claims you’ve somehow “addressed” your erroneous Limbaugh claims.

Here, I will restate the facts and give you yet another opportunity to actually address them, this time after you've had a chance to take your Midol and learn how to express your mindless hissy fits in coherent English:
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Originally Posted by aquapub
1) If whether or not the allegation turns out to be true determines whether relentless media coverage is indicative of bias or warranted, then the Duke Lacrosse case alone proves the media is left-wing as hell. But Rush's "scandal" was BS anyway, as the outcome demonstrates.

2) After Limbaugh was investigated for three years over an alleged crime that virtually never gets prosecuted (illegally buying prescription painkillers for chronic back pain), persecutor, Barry E. Krischer, never produced a single crime. The case ended in a plea deal with no admission of any guilt. If this "evidence" was compelling and legitimate enough for the media to get past the fact that it was coming through a tabloid and report on as you claim, then why wasn't the prosecutor able to make anything stick?

3) The National Enquirer has zero credibility and has been sued repeatedly for making outrageously false claims on sham evidence. When the National Enquirer "harmlessly reports someone else's charges" and then produces "evidence" to support them, that in no way warrants serious media attention, any more than their reporting of allegations against John Edwards' marital fidelity. To pretend otherwise is completely intellectually dishonest.

4) This Edwards thing has all kinds of interesting twists for the media to get involved with-the now vanished documentary this woman allegedly made (supposedly the reason she was with him) that Edwards paid over $100,000 her for, the woman's web site that was shut down which mentioned nothing about any film being made, the drugs, the debt, etc. The media did not cover this because it was the National Enquirer...and because the accusation they were making was not against a Republican.
I still don’t see where you admitted or have even acknowledged that your initial claim about the “case” was full of inaccuracies. Of course acknowledgement of said would wreak havoc with your original premise. So it is unsurprising that this admission from you is “hidden” far far away.

I do see a lot of straw men and pathetically hackneyed writing coming from you though, Cries Smear Often.
 
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Your initial premise for this thread has been soundly disproved and parts of it selectively abandoned by you. Particularly as regards your foolish claims regarding the Limbaugh case, where it turned out you had not even bothered to read your own sources. That gutted your argument. You vacated that inconvenient series of facts at Warp 10 and set course for the second straw man to the right. Your “claim” was full of errors. Claims inadvertently proven by.......... you. Your failure to intellectually grasp or acknowledge the concept of the timeline provided by you does bring to mind certain rudimentary skill sets many simian species can master. The investigation actually went quite far, but again you are ignoring factual matters in order to dissemble. Had you the intestinal fortitude to address and acknowledge the deficiencies in your argument, it would lend much more credence to your attempts to play the aloof intellectual. One that claims correction of his errors and misstatements are impotent smears and sentence fragments. You’re getting a tad redundant in your laziness. I think that the Lakota Sioux would likely name you Cries Smear Often. Do you care to back up your specious claim or can we assume this is just a typical simian feces flinging demonstration?

Translation: Sir Loin cannot refute the facts stated, so he will narrate smear-filled stories (backed up with precisely zero examples or specifics) that never happened to create a diversion.

Very well, I'll post it again:

1) If whether or not the allegation turns out to be true determines whether relentless media coverage is indicative of bias or warranted, then the Duke Lacrosse case alone proves the media is left-wing as hell. But Rush's "scandal" was BS anyway, as the outcome demonstrates.

2) After Limbaugh was investigated for three years over an alleged crime that virtually never gets prosecuted (illegally buying prescription painkillers for chronic back pain), persecutor, Barry E. Krischer, never produced a single crime. The case ended in a plea deal with no admission of any guilt. If this "evidence" was compelling and legitimate enough for the media to get past the fact that it was coming through a tabloid and report on as you claim, then why wasn't the prosecutor able to make anything stick?

3) The National Enquirer has zero credibility and has been sued repeatedly for making outrageously false claims on sham evidence. When the National Enquirer "harmlessly reports someone else's charges" and then produces "evidence" to support them, that in no way warrants serious media attention, any more than their reporting of allegations against John Edwards' marital fidelity. To pretend otherwise is completely intellectually dishonest.

4) This Edwards thing has all kinds of interesting twists for the media to get involved with-the now vanished documentary this woman allegedly made (supposedly the reason she was with him) that Edwards paid over $100,000 her for, the woman's web site that was shut down which mentioned nothing about any film being made, the drugs, the debt, etc. The media did not cover this because it was the National Enquirer...and because the accusation they were making was not against a Republican.

You did not “include it” “acknowledge it” or address “it” in any way shape or form. But feel free to find “it” and show us where “it” is currently “hidden” at.

Here is one of the times I addressed your BS argument that the National Enquirer merely reported an investigation (top to bottom, left to right. It's called reading):

"Hidden"...in my last post:

They not only reported the bs investigation, but then they posted emails trying to bolster the case...the case that went nowhere, even after three years of investigating. That makes the Enquirer a part of the accusation.

Still waiting on your counterpoint. ;)

Repeating debunked claims is indeed a sign or a poorly talented hack. Adding healthy does of intellectual dishonesty and repeating the same claim with a revolving cast of straw men really helps ramp up the hack factor too.

:rofl

Zero counterpoints, specifics, examples, or evidence. All these bitter, off-topic hissy fits establish is that:

1) you haven't taken your Midol,

2) and that you come to debate sites to do anything but debate.

Good luck with that. :shrug:
 
In the interest of brevity I choose to eschew a point by point replication via the copy and paste feature and reply to your latest missive in the order of thoughts presented. I am hopeful that utilizing specific and precise examples about this matter might help to expel any confusion, either feigned or legitimate.

You make reference to an attempt at diversion. Thus following the standard so boldly set by you I will cover ground that I would expect you have a clear memory of, yet choose to ignore. You seem reasonably intelligent and literate; therefore I can only attribute your lapse in memory to a willful disposition.

Your initial claim that began this thread was centered on El Rushbo. You claimed that the investigation was generated by the NE. It was in fact not, somewhere near a year had passed before the disgruntled housemaid went to NE with her part of the story. Not only was she in touch with authorities, she wore a wire to some of her meetings with Majha Rushie at the local Palm Beach Denny’s for an exchange of “little blues” and such. All part of her “sold” story to NE. Despite your claim that the investigation was STARTRED by her NE story.

I directly and pointedly asked you about this. I asked you to please explain why Rush would meet with her for more feel good stuff if it was already in the NE that she was selling him the same pharmacopia that likely resulted in his hearing loss. Interestingly in the deafness vein, the sound generated within a sealed vacuum was our your only reply.

You were wrong; the timeline you submitted in your own sources clearly demonstrates this. Yet you still try to wax on as if your claim was gospel. To wit, NE reported upon an ongoing criminal investigation whereas the Edward’s situation bears no resemblance to this scenario; in any shape or fashion. Yet you still press onward, inconvenient lapses in your initial claim be damned.

Since you can’t find it within yourself to acknowledge this most basic fact, fundamental to your initial claim, it is not unexpected that you have tried to dismiss me as variously a monkey a smear artist and whatever else comes to the corner of your ad hom lobe.

Of course the case that you claimed “went no where” resulted in an actual legal ruling. A deferred adjudication plea legally entered into by Limbaugh with clear stipulations. Should you wish to debate the merits of the full court press to secure his medical records and prosecute him for that, save it for another thread. But let me know if you do, I could be one of your best allies in regard to that topic.

The “nowhere case” ended up with El Rushbo on probation. I do believe he recently made brag of the fact that he had passed several court mandated drug test. Hard to believe one would willingly agree to such if not mandated by a court of law.

You may choose to act as if the very clearly delineated differences between your examples are mere air, but then that does go back to my earlier point about how seriously do you wish to be taken?

So….now that you are for the moment finished with the ad hom approach, do you have something of an idea about how you would now at long last and somewhat tardy, reply to the fact you did not even bother to pay attention to your own stated claims?

Now that we have established that my simian name would be "Bright Eyes" did you want to keep up with the monkey comprehension game he who Cries Smear Often?
 
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In the interest of brevity I choose to eschew a point by point replication via the copy and paste feature and reply to your latest missive in the order of thoughts presented. I am hopeful that utilizing specific and precise examples about this matter might help to expel any confusion, either feigned or legitimate.

You make reference to an attempt at diversion. Thus following the standard so boldly set by you I will cover ground that I would expect you have a clear memory of, yet choose to ignore. You seem reasonably intelligent and literate; therefore I can only attribute your lapse in memory to a willful disposition.

Your initial claim that began this thread was centered on El Rushbo. You claimed that the investigation was generated by the NE. It was in fact not, somewhere near a year had passed before the disgruntled housemaid went to NE with her part of the story. Not only was she in touch with authorities, she wore a wire to some of her meetings with Majha Rushie at the local Palm Beach Denny’s for an exchange of “little blues” and such. All part of her “sold” story to NE. Despite your claim that the investigation was STARTRED by her NE story.

I directly and pointedly asked you about this. I asked you to please explain why Rush would meet with her for more feel good stuff if it was already in the NE that she was selling him the same pharmacopia that likely resulted in his hearing loss. Interestingly in the deafness vein, the sound generated within a sealed vacuum was our your only reply.

You were wrong; the timeline you submitted in your own sources clearly demonstrates this. Yet you still try to wax on as if your claim was gospel. To wit, NE reported upon an ongoing criminal investigation whereas the Edward’s situation bears no resemblance to this scenario; in any shape or fashion. Yet you still press onward, inconvenient lapses in your initial claim be damned.

Since you can’t find it within yourself to acknowledge this most basic fact, fundamental to your initial claim, it is not unexpected that you have tried to dismiss me as variously a monkey a smear artist and whatever else comes to the corner of your ad hom lobe.

Of course the case that you claimed “went no where” resulted in an actual legal ruling. A deferred adjudication plea legally entered into by Limbaugh with clear stipulations. Should you wish to debate the merits of the full court press to secure his medical records and prosecute him for that, save it for another thread. But let me know if you do, I could be one of your best allies in regard to that topic.

The “nowhere case” ended up with El Rushbo on probation. I do believe he recently made brag of the fact that he had passed several court mandated drug test. Hard to believe one would willingly agree to such if not mandated by a court of law.

You may choose to act as if the very clearly delineated differences between your examples are mere air, but then that does go back to my earlier point about how seriously do you wish to be taken?

So….now that you are for the moment finished with the ad hom approach, do you have something of an idea about how you would now at long last and somewhat tardy, reply to the fact you did not even bother to pay attention to your own stated claims?

Now that we have established that my simian name would be "Bright Eyes" did you want to keep up with the monkey comprehension game he who Cries Smear Often?


All of this has already been addressed. Ad nauseum. Repeating the lie doesn't make it true. You have to actually refute my arguments. I'll be waiting. :mrgreen:
 
All of this has already been addressed. Ad nauseum. Repeating the lie doesn't make it true. You have to actually refute my arguments. I'll be waiting. :mrgreen:
I did refute your argument; the specific example is listed above. Hello? Hello McFly? Is there anybody in there?
 
Sir Loin Aquapub is like a South Central graffiti tagger, he will come in the dark of night when he thinks your not looking and post some lame reply in the hope that you wont notice. Evidently in his eyes that means a lot to him???:confused:
 
Sir Loin Aquapub is like a South Central graffiti tagger, he will come in the dark of night when he thinks your not looking and post some lame reply in the hope that you wont notice. Evidently in his eyes that means a lot to him???:confused:

Starting to look that way to me.
 
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