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Roof's Racism Was Universally Condemned-Why Are Liberal Pundits Pretending Otherwise?

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Fletch said:
Explain how this incident is not 'an aberration, but rather than a common result of southern conservative culture.' Then tell me what sort of knowledge you as a Massachusetts liberal have of 'southern conservative culture' to accept as true the moronic smear of over one third of the country. The idea that this isn't being 'discussed' is equally moronic since you cant escape discussion of it no matter where you turn.
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Sure, change the meaning of my post. Same thing done to Pash's post. Where did I say it wasn't being discussed? I was lambasting the notion that discussing it was a knee jerk reaction rather than anything to do with deep thinking. Also, I lived half my life in the south. I was born in the south. None of that is really relevant though.
 
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Fletch said:
Who is denying that these people were singled out because of their race? What is being argued is the stupid liberal notion that this single twisted individual is the product of a political movement.
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Where was this 'political movement' discussed in this thread?
 
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Fearandloathing said:
Take hear...

But prepare for the fact Ronald Reagan set back mental illness treatment by two decades.

Its race, race, race, race.....
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Fixed it for you.
 
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rabbitcaebannog said:
Where was this 'political movement' discussed in this thread?
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Conservatism is a political movement. Conservative culture was blamed by the 'deep thinkers' on this thread. Don't play dumb.
 
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Fletch said:
Conservatism is a political movement. Conservative culture was blamed by the 'deep thinkers' on this thread. Don't play dumb.
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Conservative culture is far more than a mere party line.
 
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Fruityfact said:
Fixed it for you.
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Ah so its Ronald Reagans fault lol. I am gonna bet he left office before you were even born. And in spite of 16 years of liberal leaders like Clinton and Obama, the problem still lingers. Brilliant analysis.
 
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rabbitcaebannog said:
Conservative culture is far more than a mere party line.
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Then explain it to me. What aspects of conservative southern culture led to this attack and what evidence do you have that this is what influenced this kid. Then explain why we don't see this sort of thing going on all the time.
 
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Fletch said:
Then explain it to me. What aspects of conservative southern culture led to this attack and what evidence do you have that this is what influenced this kid. Then explain why we don't see this sort of thing going on all the time.
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I did but here it is again:

The theme running through this—from Nisbett and Cohen, Hackett Fischer, and Wyatt-Brown to Lemann, from Canton to Chicago to Appalachia—is that concentrated poverty and violence don’t exist in a vacuum. They are tied into cultural tendencies, political systems, and economic structures passed down from generation to generation. And they are tendencies that can jump their historical tracks. A 2009 study integrated Nisbett and Cohen’s thesis of violence and the culture of honor into American school shootings: American Violence and Southern Culture | Chicago magazine | The 312 July 2012
 
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rabbitcaebannog said:
I did but here it is again:

The theme running through this—from Nisbett and Cohen, Hackett Fischer, and Wyatt-Brown to Lemann, from Canton to Chicago to Appalachia—is that concentrated poverty and violence don’t exist in a vacuum. They are tied into cultural tendencies, political systems, and economic structures passed down from generation to generation. And they are tendencies that can jump their historical tracks. A 2009 study integrated Nisbett and Cohen’s thesis of violence and the culture of honor into American school shootings: American Violence and Southern Culture | Chicago magazine | The 312 July 2012
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Fascinating. Now explain how this kids action is related to any of that. And be specific please.
I have seen interviews of this kids friends who were exposed to the same horrible conservative southern culture but were not motivated to act as he did. In fact they denounced what he did. How do you explain that?
 
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Fletch said:
Fascinating. Now explain how this kids action is related to any of that. And be specific please.
I have seen interviews of this kids friends who were exposed to the same horrible conservative southern culture but were not motivated to act as he did. In fact they denounced what he did. How do you explain that?
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The entire point is the only way his life experiences had nothing at all to do with his action is to say his actions happened in a vacuum. Not everyone has the same exact experiences nor react to them the same way.
 
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rabbitcaebannog said:
The entire point is the only way his life experiences had nothing at all to do with his action is to say his actions happened in a vacuum. Not everyone has the same exact experiences nor react to them the same way.
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So, it comes down to it being an individual action that had nothing to do with the culture, since it could just as easily happen in the liberal culture of Massachusetts.
 
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Fletch said:
So, it comes down to it being an individual action that had nothing to do with the culture, since it could just as easily happen in the liberal culture of Massachusetts.
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Sure, go with the it occurred in a vacuum theory.
 
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rabbitcaebannog said:
Again, racial violence doesn't just happen in a vacuum. Just the fact people feel uncomfortable about the elephant in the room speaks volumes itself. There is a whole history of black racism and hatred that still exist.
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And again, I don't care what studies you care to cite, any study that goes through all those contortions to come up with such a garbage conclusion isn't worth the trees for the paper. The post I responded to I will continue to respond to in exactly the same manner as I did. And you've still failed to address the difference between Baltimore and Charleston.
 
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LowDown said:
.....If there was any effort on the part of conservatives to minimize the racial aspects of this tragedy then I invite the participants here on DP to provide us with the evidence of that. And not second hand evidence, like that offered by Wilmore, but direct quotes.
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Saying this tragedy was motivated by "hostility for Christians" is a good example of conservatives trying to minimize the racial aspects of it.
 
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Manc Skipper said:
There's a pattern to it....

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Only a few hours ago Rick Perry described it as an "accident"
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LOL this is coming from a guy who holds 100 million honest gun owners responsible anytime some nut case shoots people

and you approve of Britain punishing thousands of pistol owners because one asshole shot up a school
 
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Moot said:
Saying this tragedy was motivated by "hostility for Christians" is a good example of conservatives trying to minimize the racial aspects of it.
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Why would we minimize the first racist attack on a black church that resulted in fatalities in 50 years?
 
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Grim17 said:
Why would we minimize the first racist attack on a black church that resulted in fatalities in 50 years?
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Because it plays into your agenda against liberals.
 
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Moot said:
Because it plays into your agenda against liberals.
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I have no idea what you are talking about. I didn't for one minute minimize or deflect away from the motive of that kid for killing those people.

I have no agenda against liberals. My issue is with those who embrace lies to further their political agenda. Anyone who has to resort to lies to prop up their political beliefs, has beliefs that aren't worth propping up in the first place.
 
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Grim17 said:
I have no idea what you are talking about. I didn't for one minute minimize or deflect away from the motive of that kid for killing those people.

I have no agenda against liberals. My issue is with those who embrace lies to further their political agenda. Anyone who has to resort to lies to prop up their political beliefs, has beliefs that aren't worth propping up in the first place.
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You say that to everyone who does not agree with you. How does someone who believes in liberal policies prop up their beliefs by lying about what Rick Perry said? You constantly use this rhetoric as a cheap shot when you are losing an argument.
 
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Grim17 said:
I have no idea what you are talking about. I didn't for one minute minimize or deflect away from the motive of that kid for killing those people.
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You're deflecting now by feigning ignorance. You know very well that Rick Santorum was the first to politciize the massacre with the right wing dog whistle "it was an attack on religious freedom" to further his agenda.

I have no agenda against liberals. My issue is with those who embrace lies to further their political agenda. Anyone who has to resort to lies to prop up their political beliefs, has beliefs that aren't worth propping up in the first place.
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:rofl Surely you jest.
 
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Gimme a break already. There are a bunch of threads right here on this site where those on the right are trying mightily to pretend that right wing views had nothing to do with this action.

We are suppose to pretend that this kid just woke up one day with a mental illness that made him kill a bunch of people - who just happened to be African Americans.

Oh - and never mind that manifesto of racial hate with content similar to stuff posted right here on this site. Just move along and never you mind.
 
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Grim17 said:
Why would we minimize the first racist attack on a black church that resulted in fatalities in 50 years?
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Good point - the death toll did not even hit double digits so what is all the fuss about? This is taking valuable time and press away from real stories like Donald Trump running for prez or if Bruce Jenner had his junk chopped off yet. How dare them waste time on this!!!!!
 
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Moot said:
You're deflecting now by feigning ignorance. You know very well that Rick Santorum was the first to politciize the massacre with the right wing dog whistle "it was an attack on religious freedom" to further his agenda.
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I'm not deflecting at all... You spoke of some political agenda and now you are referencing Santorum, which you yourself was him trying to further "his" agenda.

And please, enough with that "dog whistle" BS... That's a fine liberal talking point that I'm sure millions of ignorant leftist buy hook, line and sinker, but it's a talking point none the less and has no basis in fact.




:rofl Surely you jest.
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Not at all... I have a great amount of respect for those on the left who don't resort to lies to prop up their beliefs, and I treat them respectfully... but I have no tolerance for those who day in and day out embrace lies to advance their agenda.
 
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haymarket said:
Good point - the death toll did not even hit double digits so what is all the fuss about? This is taking valuable time and press away from real stories like Donald Trump running for prez or if Bruce Jenner had his junk chopped off yet. How dare them waste time on this!!!!!
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It's no surprise that you ignore my point and create your own "truth"....

Why be honest when you can come up with so many good lies to prop up your failed ideological beliefs... Right?
 
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pbrauer said:
You say that to everyone who does not agree with you.
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No, I just say it to folks like yourself who embrace lies to prop up their beliefs.
 
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