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GMO Denialism, worst kind of science denial

Because it creates an appearance that there is something weird or wrong with a GMO crop when there isn't. If there is something wrong with GMO crops in terms of human health, then peer reviewed studies should be able to show it. If they show it, then put it on the label, otherwise its misleading.

Really? So we don't need ingredients listed on our food labels, or warnings on our medication?
 

Thank you for the link. However I feel it is a bit vague and does not really address all the concerns I have or give specific enough detail.

One such concern I have is human food contamination not necessarily but not limited to cross pollination. Not all GMOs grown are labeled safe for human consumption and many times these are grown and used as animal feed. A few years ago they found that animal feed GMOs had been inadvertently mixed into the human food storage silos and some of it likely made it into human foods. Now this does not necessarily mean that particular GMO was unsafe only that it had not been proven safe for human consumption.
 
And right on cue the GMO denialists come to spout their ignorance. :roll:

Labeling requirements are idiotic. It's safe, it doesnt need a label. Labels just scare stupid people unnecessarily.

As pointed out by Summerwind, many people oppose GMOs for environmental, social and political reasons and want to know what they are buying.
 
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If GMOs are so wonderful and safe, why does the lobby behind them work so hard to ensure GMO products do not have a label telling the buyer about it? One can assume well that since there is an absence of mandatory labeling of GMO products there must be some reason for keeping the consumer uninformed.

That's easy to see. Because the idiots who have never heard of horticultural breeding and animal husbandry that has been going on since man went agricultural came out blasting GMO as the devil's work from the very beginning. They have killed the GMO label and no one wants to advertise it.

Think about it, some idiot asshat teaches the less fortunate intellectually that ThisProduct BAD! No one is going to advertise that their product contains ThisProduct. Even though mankind has been using ThisPoduct for millennia.
 
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What a bunch of bs. i am neither attacking or defending GMO foods. I just don't see an issue with providing knowledge to the consumer.

Conservatives don't like the public to be informed about what the big corporations are doing to us.
 
A pointed out by Summerwind, many people oppose GMOs for environmental, social and political reasons and want to know what they are buying.

Then they should stop eating now. Everything we eat has been genetically modified. Kind of what agriculture is all about.
 
What a bunch of bs. i am neither attacking or defending GMO foods. I just don't see an issue with providing knowledge to the consumer.

So, does winter wheat need to be labeled GMO? How about corn, pretty much all corn we eat. Once again everything we eat that comes from the ground has been genetically modified by man. You can start with a little Gregor Mendel if you want some basic understanding of what farmers and horticulturists have been doing for 10,000 years.
 
That's easy to see. Because the idiots who have never heard of horticultural breeding and animal husbandry that has been going on since man went agricultural came out blasting GMO as the devil's work from the very beginning. They have killed the GMO label and no one wants to advertise it.

Think about it, some idiot asshat teaches the less fortunate intellectually that ThisProduct BAD! No one is going to advertise that their product contains ThisProduct. Even though mankind has been using ThisPoduct for millennia.

Their are different levels of genetic modification. What you are saying is true and we have been manipulating our food supply for hundreds of years but the process used in the past are very different than some used today such as grafting genetics from animals into plants. That is something we have only been doing for a very short time and quite a different thing.
 
More bull****. GMOs are safe, and they are the future for food. Millions will starve while idiotic GMO deniers dither, and hold back progress. People like you are even worse because you acknowledge the science but remain complicit due to minor points of ideology.

who is going to plant the food when the food costs more to buy than what the farmer can sell it for on the market?
there is a greater issue than what you are saying.

it isn't a minor point when farmers can't afford to purchase seed due to some GMO patent that a company has on a seed.
there is a lot of waste in GMO foods due to these patent laws and if farmers keep the seeds from the harvest they can be sue or each one.
 
Their are different levels of genetic modification. What you are saying is true and we have been manipulating our food supply for hundreds of years but the process used in the past are very different than some used today such as grafting genetics from animals into plants. That is something we have only been doing for a very short time and quite a different thing.

So, where do you draw the line for that GMO label? As you say, it's something we've been doing outside the lab for not hundreds, but thousands of years. Heck, pot growers are famous for it.

My problem is with the patenting of the seed. Take that away and I believe the franken plant thing will go with it.
 
Really? So we don't need ingredients listed on our food labels, or warnings on our medication?

Warnings on medications are the results of peer reviewed evidence in the testing of that medication. If peer reviewed studies find no concerns in terms of human consumption of GMO crops, then what is the point of labeling them with some kind of an alert other than to be misleading?

What actually would be useful would be a label for produce that indicated whether it was grown in nutrient depleted soil or not.
 
So, where do you draw the line for that GMO label? As you say, it's something we've been doing outside the lab for not hundreds, but thousands of years. Heck, pot growers are famous for it.

My problem is with the patenting of the seed. Take that away and I believe the franken plant thing will go with it.

And that is a very good question and one that I do not have enough knowledge to have an opinion on.
 
And right on cue the GMO denialists come to spout their ignorance. :roll:

Labeling requirements are idiotic. It's safe, it doesnt need a label. Labels just scare stupid people unnecessarily.
Everybody has a right to know what they're eating, safe or not.

If they're so safe, and you're so confident, why are you trying to hide it? Label it and be proud of it.
 
It's irrational and holds back progress to put labels on foods that don't need it. You do not deserve to have your ignorant, irrational prejudices enforced by government fiat at the expense of an important industry.
I can only presume that you are purposely trying to be wrong. Only such willful wrongness can deny another person the knowledge of what they put in their own body.

What's your agenda? Are you mad because skepticism is holding back your investments?
 
Warnings on medications are the results of peer reviewed evidence in the testing of that medication. If peer reviewed studies find no concerns in terms of human consumption of GMO crops, then what is the point of labeling them with some kind of an alert other than to be misleading?

What actually would be useful would be a label for produce that indicated whether it was grown in nutrient depleted soil or not.
What is the point of continuing to fight labeling when the fight only serves to give the impression that something is being hidden? Let's get real, big corporations don't exactly have the best "trust us" reputation, and their negative reputations are well-earned.
 
Nobody should starve.

The real problem is, by holding back the progress of genetically modified foods, they are causing starvation of some of the most vulnerable populations. Meanwhile, the gmo-denialists live lives of privilege.

Despite GMO's being around for several decades, the promise of increased yields has not been fulfilled.

IOW, GMO's do not affect yield in any significant manner

http://www.ucsusa.org/food_and_agri...ngineering/failure-to-yield.html#.VUkqryFVhBc

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Corn is the most widely planted GMO crop in the US. Notice how, in spite of the introduction of GMO crops, the increase in yield that began shortly after WWII (well before the introduction of GMO corn) has not accellerated. If GMO crops were really fulfilling the promise of increased yields, why isn't that showing up in the results?
 
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Despite GMO's being around for several decades, the promise of increased yields has not been fulfilled.

IOW, GMO's do not affect yield in any significant manner
Maybe the real benefit is the copyright aspect and the inevitable increase in shareholder value.
 
Not really, I have no real horse in this race to be honest but I find it remarkable that no one seems to be willing to take the challenge. Someone, anyone, put forth the science that GMO products are safe prepared and peer-reviewed by those who are not selling GMO products. That is all I ask, then we can evaluate these statements made by the OP that they are in fact safe.

But when it comes to the marketplace I'd rather GMO vs. Non-GMO products market compete, allow the consumer to sort out what is and is not appealing. What I do not like is market deception supported by the notion of dealing with the anti-GMO crowd as a necessary evil.

What we cannot deny is we have a consorted effort by producers to get GMO based products to the market and ensure they are not labeled as GMO products. I think that is worth exploring, as the marketplace cannot be expected to make a reasonable decision based on deception.

I have no issue going along with GMO products assuming someone can product something compelling prepared by a party without a stake in selling these product that suggests safety. Until then all we have is hype.

The idiotic thing about all of this is that we have been manipulating the genes of food crops for a 1000 years at least but now it is supposed to be scary? We have plenty to be scared about but hybridizing food crops is not one of them. Those hybrids are what feed the world.
 
What is the point of continuing to fight labeling when the fight only serves to give the impression that something is being hidden? Let's get real, big corporations don't exactly have the best "trust us" reputation, and their negative reputations are well-earned.

Hell we even need to label fish as to whether they are fresh caught or farmed. Certainly farmed fish aren't bad for you, they won't kill you and they won't call cancer. Though they are not as healthy as their fresh caught cousins (however, farmed salmon is better than no salmon). Thus far I think the only fish I've come across often that is better farmed than fresh (in terms of nutrition) has been catfish.

One of the reasons I either only buy dark meat or whole chickens is because of the modified chickens we have for production of white meat. I don't want to contribute to that either. Though I'm sure Guy will tell me how I'm supporting the starvation of people the world over by not buying genetically modified chickens with breasts so large they cannot walk any more and packed into overheated, crowded buildings, never seeing the light of day all so we can make production means.
 
If GMOs are so wonderful and safe, why does the lobby behind them work so hard to ensure GMO products do not have a label telling the buyer about it? One can assume well that since there is an absence of mandatory labeling of GMO products there must be some reason for keeping the consumer uninformed.

Because a "Warning: contains blank" will always scare people away and hurt profits. And there's no need for it since GMO-free products are already labeled.
 
Maybe the real benefit is the copyright aspect and the inevitable increase in shareholder value.

Another benefit is the continued (and often increased) use of pesticides, chemical fertilizers, fungicides and herbicides (which coincidentally, Monsanto also sells) that GMO crops require
 
If GMOs are so wonderful and safe, why does the lobby behind them work so hard to ensure GMO products do not have a label telling the buyer about it? One can assume well that since there is an absence of mandatory labeling of GMO products there must be some reason for keeping the consumer uninformed.

I both think they are wonderful and safe and think that they should be labeled. Not merely that they are GMO (which is most food we eat), but what sorts of modifications were done. More information is always better. I think it would behoove the public to learn the science involved in what we eat, and so we'll understand why it's safe.

Unfortunately I cannot do that so long as the other issue is overriding. Sorry, that's like promoting those mortgages that individually weren't a problem until the bankers made it a problem with their shenanigans. Fix the way they're financed and protected for the Monsanto, et al, and then I'll reconsider. The two pieces at the moment are not separable.

I think a lot of the opposition (at least the smart opposition) is about the economics of the technology. But that doesn't mean the technology is bad. It just means that the laws governing it are bad. And they are. Very bad. We should make sure that we're fighting the right fight.

More bull****. GMOs are safe, and they are the future for food. Millions will starve while idiotic GMO deniers dither, and hold back progress. People like you are even worse because you acknowledge the science but remain complicit due to minor points of ideology.

It's one thing to rage against the idiot hippies who are all afraid of "frankenfood", but don't diminish the real importance of the economics involved. Real serious reform is needed to get the bad out of GMO. The technology is sound and really pretty awesome, but we can't ignore the problems in the business side.

Ok, say they are safe. Then why object to labeling? People have a right to know what they are buying.

The argument is usually that people are ignorant enough about the science that they'll just be afraid of GMO food without actually understanding what that means. All of our food is genetically modified. We did it through selective farming and breeding for thousands of years. But now we can do it faster an with more precision in a laboratory, and that scares people who don't get that these are different methods of doing the same thing, rather than mad science run amok. The population needs a great deal of information about the technology of our food supply.
 
The argument is usually that people are ignorant enough about the science that they'll just be afraid of GMO food without actually understanding what that means. All of our food is genetically modified. We did it through selective farming and breeding for thousands of years. But now we can do it faster an with more precision in a laboratory, and that scares people who don't get that these are different methods of doing the same thing, rather than mad science run amok. The population needs a great deal of information about the technology of our food supply.

That's not a good enough reason to not put three letters on the package. And there's a difference between regular hybridization and GM. A lot of GM is geared so the plants can resist extreme amounts of chemical applications such as weed/plant killers and insecticides so that would mean that one could expect that the produce is going to have been much more saturated with chemicals during the growing process than those that are regular hybrids. Besides that even much of the regular hybridization that's been done to keep food looking better and lasting longer, has also totally diminished the taste of much of our produce.
 
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