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Not really.
I do remember most of Congress voting for the war thou.....and Backing W.
Funny, because I DO remember the "liberal" New York Times breathlessly sounding the call to war.
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Ooooh, I must have touched a nerve. You use it a lot, champ? You must. People only respond "but, but look at the other side!" when they depend on a publication a lot. It's no stretch. I use to do it too. I got over it by learning to debate the actual merits of a publication.
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As did the "liberal" Nany Pelosi, Hillary Clinton, Harry Reid, et al.
democrats strongly promoted war, the hypocrisy began toward the mid-terms.
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Ooooh, I must have touched a nerve. You use it a lot, champ? You must. People only respond "but, but look at the other side!" when they depend on a publication a lot. It's no stretch. I use to do it too. I got over it by learning to debate the actual merits of a publication.
The issue is that the Washington Times is every bit as accurate and reliable as the New York times - but they spin to the right where the NYT spins to the left. For the more hypocritical on the board, this makes the WT bad.
It's all about partisanship.
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Except the New York Times has won multiple awards for journalistic excellence and Washington Times... has... nothing. Nope, they're not the same. There is also the fact that the Washington Times has been subsidised into existence and its survival depends not on its ability to report and be trusted, but the money dropped on it by its owners. So no, they're not the same professionally or even existentially. To believe so is contrary to every indicator out there.
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Making a point about credibility and then using rationalwiki to make that point is kinda funny. If you want people to only use credible and proper sources, then fine, but start by using credible sources yourself.
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"Journalistic Excellence" determined by size. As the daily for the largest city in the USA, the NY Times traditionally had the sales number to dominate the establishments handing out awards.
No doubt Jason Blair is the hallmark of excellence with the Times, yet I remain oddly unimpressed. :shrug:
Ad hom is the only criticism the anti-liberty left seems able to come up with.
I can (and have) show dozens of cases of falsifying stories in the NY Times, yet they only thing the left can launch back with is bigotry against the Moonies.
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wow...lies! Nancy Pelosi opposed the resolution and voted against the resolution as did a majority of Dems in the House. Harry Reid and a slight majority of Dems voted for it in the senate so you only completely lied on half.
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You're right, Pelosi was a no.
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Why didn't you list the 126 in the House that voted against it?
the Iraqi war was the Republicans war. It would of died in the House if Dems had controll.
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Determined by the perception of peers. Not size. NYT isn't the biggest publication out there. Get serious if you're going to discuss media.
Lol. No you haven't. Move along.
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Doesn't sound very objective. "Excellence" as determined by most beneficial to the party?
{Maureen Dowd. In her May 14, 2003 column, titled "Osama's Offspring," regarding President Bush's pursuit of the Taliban in Afghanistan, "Dowd used an ellipsis to totally misrepresent a Bush statement from a May 5 speech in Arkansas to imply he said the Al Qaeda terrorist network is 'not a problem anymore,' changing Bush's meaning to make him look naive about the war on terror," the Times watchdog reported.
Here is what Dowd wrote: "That group of terrorists who attacked our country is slowly but surely being decimated. . . . They're not a problem anymore."
Here is what Bush actually said: "Al Qaeda is on the run. That group of terrorists who attacked our country is slowly but surely being decimated. Right now, about half of all the top Al Qaeda operatives are either jailed or dead. In either case, they're not a problem anymore."
Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/039959_New_York_Times_timeswatch_false_reporting.html##ixzz3Um3DcSXw}
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{In an enthusiastic front-page story in today’s New York Times, Roni Caryn Rabin and Reed Abelson claim that, as a result of Obamacare, health insurance premiums for individuals shopping on their own for coverage will be “at least 50 percent lower on average than those currently available in New York” because “individuals in New York City who now pay $1,000 a month or more for coverage will be able to shop for health insurance for as little as $308 monthly.”
Read more at http://rare.us/story/n-y-times-busted-making-false-obamacare-claims/#J2AuO0SfBsFh2Ycw.99}
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{_ A front-page article in Friday’s print edition announces: BRONX INSPECTOR, SECRETLY TAPED, SUGGESTS RACE IS A FACTOR IN STOPS. The story goes on to claim in its lead paragraph that a secretly taped recording “suggests that, in at least one precinct, a person’s skin color can be a deciding factor in who is stopped.” In fact, the exchange in the recording, between a police officer and his precinct commander, suggests something altogether different: that crime determines who is stopped by the police. But reporter Joseph Goldstein has twisted the taped conversation into a poisonous indictment of the police at a time when anti-cop passions, already enflamed by irresponsible city politicians, are running dangerously high.}
The Mind-Boggling Lies of the NY Times | RealClearPolitics
Uh oh, the old Grey Lady is pathological.
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Lol, what party runs the Pulitzers? Lol. If you're going to start with conspiracy theories, it's a few doors down.
Good grief, your evidence is... Bush saying that Al Qaeda's dead leadership wasn't a problem... as opposed to saying that Al Qaeda is not a problem. Which is, you know, the same damn thing unless of course you believe that Al-Qaeda's leadership isn't central to Al Qaeda being a problem. Then you have a blog, followed by another blog. Yep. You proved nothing.
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My evidence is irrefutable.
That you might view lying on behalf of the part as a great and wonderful thing is not the same as it not occurring.
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What party runs the Pulitzers?
The news media runs the Pulitzers - it is an award they give themselves. Similar to the idea that Hollywood runs the academy awards.
This straw man does nothing to alter the lies by the NY Times.
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I've been trying to tell people about the Moonie Times for a couple decades now.
It's founder, the cult head Rev. Sun Myung Moon was a real piece of work (it's now owned by his son)
Yup, the Moonie King who self proclaimed himself as the Second Coming (literally) - He called himself the New Messiah (no joke), runs a full fledged cult, and has sunk BILLIONS into the Washington Times, which in it's entire 20 years of operation has not made a SINGLE DIME in profit.
Yes, Billions. Think about that. The Washington Times, a supposedly a capitalistic empire that's can't survive on it's own via profit, have never once made a profit - and had to be funded to such extremes by a megalomaniac.
It's purpose wasn't to provide a real news organization -- it was to propagandize.
Moon is also a billionaire who funds lavishly right wing organizations, bankrolls Right Wing politicians and has an amazing array of Front organizations, to includeMoon Recruiting Fronts, Moon Religious Fronts, Moon Political Fronts, Moon Cultural and Social Fronts...
It's astounding. I used to have the complete list of names, but for just a small bit, here: List of Unification Church affiliated organizations - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
It's founder, the cult head Rev. Sun Myung Moon was a real piece of work (it's now owned by his son)
Yup, the Moonie King who self proclaimed himself as the Second Coming (literally) - He called himself the New Messiah (no joke), runs a full fledged cult, and has sunk BILLIONS into the Washington Times, which in it's entire 20 years of operation has not made a SINGLE DIME in profit.
Yes, Billions. Think about that. The Washington Times, a supposedly a capitalistic empire that's can't survive on it's own via profit, have never once made a profit - and had to be funded to such extremes by a megalomaniac.
It's purpose wasn't to provide a real news organization -- it was to propagandize.
Moon is also a billionaire who funds lavishly right wing organizations, bankrolls Right Wing politicians and has an amazing array of Front organizations, to includeMoon Recruiting Fronts, Moon Religious Fronts, Moon Political Fronts, Moon Cultural and Social Fronts...
It's astounding. I used to have the complete list of names, but for just a small bit, here: List of Unification Church affiliated organizations - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia