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Media Matters Brock vs. Morning Joe panel on Hilary... MUST SEE!

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This segment discusses the NY Times story on Hilary Clinton and it absolutely defines Media Matters... It demonstrates the political dishonesty and absurdity of the organization, how it uses partisan political spin to deceive it's readers into embracing falsehoods and shows why they have no credibility what so ever.

When liberal co-host Mika Brzezinski asked Brock (the head cheese over at MM) a straight forward, "yes or no" question that had only one honest answer "Yes", and Brock answered "No", her words summed it up best:

"Oh my God.... I'm not sure what planet I'm on right now"


Watch the segment for yourself and keep it in mind the next time someone parrots their propaganda or uses them for a source:


 
I think what Brock is saying that it depends on what your definition of "is" is
 
It seems the recent lay offs have given Mika a desire to be relevant.
 
This segment discusses the NY Times story on Hilary Clinton and it absolutely defines Media Matters... It demonstrates the political dishonesty and absurdity of the organization, how it uses partisan political spin to deceive it's readers into embracing falsehoods and shows why they have no credibility what so ever.

When liberal co-host Mika Brzezinski asked Brock (the head cheese over at MM) a straight forward, "yes or no" question that had only one honest answer "Yes", and Brock answered "No", her words summed it up best:

"Oh my God.... I'm not sure what planet I'm on right now"


Watch the segment for yourself and keep it in mind the next time someone parrots their propaganda or uses them for a source:



When his defense of Hillary is that the NYT didn't mention the 2009 regulation, it does, or should, bring all of Media Matters tactics into focus.

Beyond that, Brock looks like he's going to be making some Bruce Jenner type news real soon.
 
This segment discusses the NY Times story on Hilary Clinton and it absolutely defines Media Matters... It demonstrates the political dishonesty and absurdity of the organization, how it uses partisan political spin to deceive it's readers into embracing falsehoods and shows why they have no credibility what so ever.

When liberal co-host Mika Brzezinski asked Brock (the head cheese over at MM) a straight forward, "yes or no" question that had only one honest answer "Yes", and Brock answered "No", her words summed it up best:

"Oh my God.... I'm not sure what planet I'm on right now"


Watch the segment for yourself and keep it in mind the next time someone parrots their propaganda or uses them for a source:




LOL

Thanks for the post Grim.

One could irrigate the Sahara with the kool-aide that could be extracted from David Brock.

Media Matters, like the rest of the members of the propaganda wing of the Progressive Machine, is not interested in the truth. What they are interested in is that the dogs come when whistled, so they can cut and past the memes to blogs and other media sources for other indoctrinated members to lap up.
 
This segment discusses the NY Times story on Hilary Clinton and it absolutely defines Media Matters... It demonstrates the political dishonesty and absurdity of the organization, how it uses partisan political spin to deceive it's readers into embracing falsehoods and shows why they have no credibility what so ever.

When liberal co-host Mika Brzezinski asked Brock (the head cheese over at MM) a straight forward, "yes or no" question that had only one honest answer "Yes", and Brock answered "No", her words summed it up best:

"Oh my God.... I'm not sure what planet I'm on right now"


Watch the segment for yourself and keep it in mind the next time someone parrots their propaganda or uses them for a source:




Clinton spokesman Nick Merrill said in a statement Tuesday: “Like secretaries of state before her, she used her own email account when engaging with any Department officials. For government business, she emailed them on their Department accounts, with every expectation they would be retained.”

Hillary Clinton used private e-mail for government business at State Dept. - The Washington Post
 
Clinton spokesman Nick Merrill said in a statement Tuesday: “Like secretaries of state before her, she used her own email account when engaging with any Department officials. For government business, she emailed them on their Department accounts, with every expectation they would be retained.”

Hillary Clinton used private e-mail for government business at State Dept. - The Washington Post

from your link

For government business, she emailed them on their Department accounts, with every expectation they would be retained.”

If you and Mr. Brock's defense is that there was no law in place compelling her to retain business emails on a private account, then why would she even care if they were retained?

Why would she "expect" or even care that they be retained, unless she knew there were regulations in place to do so. Just doesn't make sense to me.


"Oh my God.... I'm not sure what planet I'm on right now"
 
Clinton spokesman Nick Merrill said in a statement Tuesday: “Like secretaries of state before her, she used her own email account when engaging with any Department officials. For government business, she emailed them on their Department accounts, with every expectation they would be retained.”

Hillary Clinton used private e-mail for government business at State Dept. - The Washington Post

She says that she emailed other government employees on their government accounts... So what? How do we know that's true, since her emails were not sent from a government account, and not "preserved in the appropriate agency recordkeeping system?" What about the non-government employees she emailed on official State Department business?

Brock exposed himself for the dishonest partisan hack that he is, and proved that Media Matters has 0 credibility and nothing they publish can be trusted.
 
She says that she emailed other government employees on their government accounts... So what? How do we know that's true, since her emails were not sent from a government account, and not "preserved in the appropriate agency recordkeeping system?" What about the non-government employees she emailed on official State Department business?
Can you read? "For government business, she emailed them on their Department accounts, with every expectation they would be retained.
Brock exposed himself for the dishonest partisan hack that he is, and proved that Media Matters has 0 credibility and nothing they publish can be trusted.

Wow, what a surprise! I would have never thought you would feel that way.

BTW, her name is Hillary, not Hilary.
 
Ha!

David Brock!!!

The Ratso Rizzo of progressivist politics.

(Except that Ratso probably smelled better)
 
This segment discusses the NY Times story on Hilary Clinton and it absolutely defines Media Matters... It demonstrates the political dishonesty and absurdity of the organization, how it uses partisan political spin to deceive it's readers into embracing falsehoods and shows why they have no credibility what so ever.

When liberal co-host Mika Brzezinski asked Brock (the head cheese over at MM) a straight forward, "yes or no" question that had only one honest answer "Yes", and Brock answered "No", her words summed it up best:

"Oh my God.... I'm not sure what planet I'm on right now"


Watch the segment for yourself and keep it in mind the next time someone parrots their propaganda or uses them for a source:




meh... it was fun watching him dance.

but , in all reality, when your entire professional existence is based on nothing more protecting the Democratic party, no one should be surprised when you go out of your way to do just that.
MM has their role to play and their leader is playing it.
 
Can you read? "For government business, she emailed them on their Department accounts, with every expectation they would be retained.

JFC Pete, since her emails were sent on her personal account, on the Clinton's personal email server, and not being backed-up by a government recordkeeping system, how in the hell does anyone know if that is true or not? That is precisely why the national archives regulation requiring that email accounts used to conduct government business, be tied in with the governments recordkeeping system.

FFS, I'm not sure what planet I'm on right now... Stop foolishly attemping to defend Brock and those partisan clowns at Media Matters.
 
Clinton spokesman Nick Merrill said in a statement Tuesday: “Like secretaries of state before her, she used her own email account when engaging with any Department officials. For government business, she emailed them on their Department accounts, with every expectation they would be retained.”

Hillary Clinton used private e-mail for government business at State Dept. - The Washington Post

I don't have a particular bone to pick on this issue but I would make two points.

1. It's immaterial what Secretaries of State did before her, since the law in question came into effect in 2009, when she was the Secretary of State. Are you disputing that? Are you disputing that when a new law comes into effect, what people did before that time is irrelevant if it wasn't in keeping with the new requirements?

2. Did Hillary Clinton only use e-mail when dealing with US government officials? She never e-mailed foreign officials, heads of state, US or other country politicians, etc. on foreign policy issues? If she did, who would she have expected to retain those e-mails?

Seems to me, for political and ideological reasons, you're not terribly inquisitive about just what was going on here.
 
JFC Pete, since her emails were sent on her personal account, on the Clinton's personal email server, and not being backed-up by a government recordkeeping system, how in the hell does anyone know if that is true or not? That is precisely why the national archives regulation requiring that email accounts used to conduct government business, be tied in with the governments recordkeeping system.

FFS, I'm not sure what planet I'm on right now... Stop foolishly attemping to defend Brock and those partisan clowns at Media Matters.

Please watch the video at the link (please note these are not actors working for 'partisan clowns' at Media Matters):lamo

Fox Legal Experts Agree: Hillary Clinton Did Not Violate The Law With Email | Video | Media Matters for America
 
I don't have a particular bone to pick on this issue but I would make two points.

1. It's immaterial what Secretaries of State did before her, since the law in question came into effect in 2009, when she was the Secretary of State. Are you disputing that? Are you disputing that when a new law comes into effect, what people did before that time is irrelevant if it wasn't in keeping with the new requirements?

2. Did Hillary Clinton only use e-mail when dealing with US government officials? She never e-mailed foreign officials, heads of state, US or other country politicians, etc. on foreign policy issues? If she did, who would she have expected to retain those e-mails?

Seems to me, for political and ideological reasons, you're not terribly inquisitive about just what was going on here.

Please visit post #14
 
Just one small point here. I beat the Attorney General of Canada and her Majesty the Queen on a technicality EXACTLY like this scenario, in that, the AG came after me with their Government paid lapdogs and failed to preserve evidence in the technically correct manner, which had the legal effect of making any evidence they presented as completely inadmissible in court because of their inability to present witnesses with contemporaneous first hand knowledge of the events that transpired.

Result, little old me representing myself beat the Queen of England and the AG of Canada in court.. :)

True story..

I found the technicality after an exhaustive search on the Canadian governments own records keeping regulatory website, and I was like, yay, I'm going to win, even though they had me dead to rights! ;)

Moral here.. Records keeping is a big deal to governments and the courts hold governments to their own standards!


Tim-
 
Brock exposed himself for the dishonest partisan hack that he is, and proved that Media Matters has 0 credibility and nothing they publish can be trusted.

Wow, what a surprise! I would have never thought you would feel that way.

Unlike you Pete, I don't allow my political beliefs to dicate reality... I back up the things I say and will demonstrate that for you now.

Here is a list of the false and misleading statements made by your hero and likely employer, David Brock, during that segment on Morning Joe:


1:15 - "The story is wrong... It's based on a false premise"
FALSE - First, the story didn't say Clinton "broke federal law", it said that Clinton may have "possibly" broken the rules, and according to the 2009 regulation from the national archives on records keeping, that speculation is well founded. Second, the premise of the story is the fact she used her personal email account to conduct all State Department and government business, and never even had a government email account.

2:22 - "The State Department said yesterday that the emails were regularly preserved"
FALSE - The State Department spokesperson said that after sending her a letter requesting the emails, she provided them with 55,000 that Clinton claimed were pertinent. That was just a few months ago. See for yourself HERE

3:42 - "It's not clear that didn't happen (that the emails were preserved regularly in the State department recordkeeping system) the NY Times doesn't establish that at all."
FALSE - From the article:

"Her aides took no actions to have her personal emails preserved on department servers at the time, as required by the Federal Records Act.

It was only two months ago, in response to a new State Department effort to comply with federal record-keeping practices, that Mrs. Clinton’s advisers reviewed tens of thousands of pages of her personal emails and decided which ones to turn over to the State Department. All told, 55,000 pages of emails were given to the department. Mrs. Clinton stepped down from the secretary’s post in early 2013."​


3:47 - "The 2009 law you're referring to isn't even cited in the NY Times"
FALSE - From the article:

"Regulations from the National Archives and Records Administration at the time required that any emails sent or received from personal accounts be preserved as part of the agency’s records.

But Mrs. Clinton and her aides failed to do so."​

5:18 - "I'm not twisting anything... Her predecessors did the same thing..."
Misleading - The national archive regulation on records keeping wasn't established until 2009 when Clinton was Secretary of State, so it did not apply to her predecessors.

5:30 - Mika asks Brock who has control over Clinton's email correspondence as Secretary of State, Clinton or the State Department. Brock answered "Well, I think both."
FALSE - The State Department had no control over her email account or access to her archives, otherwise they wouldn't have had to request them from her a few months back.

That's 6 false or misleading statements in under 6 minutes, and that doesn't even count the repeats. So I stand 100% by my assessment that David Brock is a dishonest partisan hack, that Media Matters has 0 credibility, and nothing that Media Matters publishes is worth the half a second of time it takes to download it to your screen.
 
Unlike you Pete, I don't allow my political beliefs to dicate reality... I back up the things I say and will demonstrate that for you now.

Here is a list of the false and misleading statements made by your hero and likely employer, David Brock, during that segment on Morning Joe:


1:15 - "The story is wrong... It's based on a false premise"
FALSE - First, the story didn't say Clinton "broke federal law", it said that Clinton may have "possibly" broken the rules, and according to the 2009 regulation from the national archives on records keeping, that speculation is well founded. Second, the premise of the story is the fact she used her personal email account to conduct all State Department and government business, and never even had a government email account.

2:22 - "The State Department said yesterday that the emails were regularly preserved"
FALSE - The State Department spokesperson said that after sending her a letter requesting the emails, she provided them with 55,000 that Clinton claimed were pertinent. That was just a few months ago. See for yourself HERE

3:42 - "It's not clear that didn't happen (that the emails were preserved regularly in the State department recordkeeping system) the NY Times doesn't establish that at all."
FALSE - From the article:

"Her aides took no actions to have her personal emails preserved on department servers at the time, as required by the Federal Records Act.

It was only two months ago, in response to a new State Department effort to comply with federal record-keeping practices, that Mrs. Clinton’s advisers reviewed tens of thousands of pages of her personal emails and decided which ones to turn over to the State Department. All told, 55,000 pages of emails were given to the department. Mrs. Clinton stepped down from the secretary’s post in early 2013."​


3:47 - "The 2009 law you're referring to isn't even cited in the NY Times"
FALSE - From the article:

"Regulations from the National Archives and Records Administration at the time required that any emails sent or received from personal accounts be preserved as part of the agency’s records.

But Mrs. Clinton and her aides failed to do so."​

5:18 - "I'm not twisting anything... Her predecessors did the same thing..."
Misleading - The national archive regulation on records keeping wasn't established until 2009 when Clinton was Secretary of State, so it did not apply to her predecessors.

5:30 - Mika asks Brock who has control over Clinton's email correspondence as Secretary of State, Clinton or the State Department. Brock answered "Well, I think both."
FALSE - The State Department had no control over her email account or access to her archives, otherwise they wouldn't have had to request them from her a few months back.

That's 6 false or misleading statements in under 6 minutes, and that doesn't even count the repeats. So I stand 100% by my assessment that David Brock is a dishonest partisan hack, that Media Matters has 0 credibility, and nothing that Media Matters publishes is worth the half a second of time it takes to download it to your screen.

All that work you did for nothing, David Brock is the President and CEO Media Matters, he doesn't write the articles or do the research. So, he got some of his facts wrong, so what? I would think a bright guy like you would realise this apparently not.:lamo
 
All that work you did for nothing, David Brock is the President and CEO Media Matters, he doesn't write the articles or do the research. So, he got some of his facts wrong, so what? I would think a bright guy like you would realise this apparently not.:lamo

He's a partisan liar who's the CEO of the #1 liberal propaganda website on the net... The fact that you defend his dishonesty and parrot every dishonest word his website feeds you is both sad and pathetic.
 
The right is terrified of her and they're going to continue to drag the lake until they find a body.

Yes, it was those dastardly republicans who forced Clinton to use a personal email account, on her own personal servers, to conduct State Department business, and convinced her to ignore the national archives regulation on records keeping...

Yes, them there republicans are a pretty tricky bunch... LMMFAO
 
Did the NY Times article say she broke federal law? NO, they didn't...

David Brock is a flat out liar as that segment proves and here you are trying to defend him... LMMFAO

Brock didn't say it did, and the NYT added the part about the law was added after the first publication.
 
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