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Media inflates "torture" report[W:11]

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I just read the usa today article on the "torture" report. They put a disclaimer before the body of the story that some of the content would be disturbing.

Then they go on to write about sleep deprivation, uncomfortable sitting/standing, flying with a diaper on, nudity, rectal feeding, and yes waterboarding. Which was the only violent act included in the enhanced interrogations.


I saw no disclaimer before the story about the Mississippi teen burned alive two days ago, curious why?

Oh i know, no political points get scored with the teens death which had content that was actually disturbing. This crap about the "torture" should make everyone realize just how much in the tank the msm is for the libs
 
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Sabanist said:
I just read the usa today article on the "torture" report. They put a disclaimer before the body of the story that some of the content would be disturbing.

Then they go on to write about sleep deprivation, uncomfortable sitting/standing, flying with a diaper on, nudity, rectal feeding, and yes waterboarding. Which was the only violent act included in the enhanced interrogations.


I saw no disclaimer before the story about the Mississippi teen burned alive two days ago, curious why?

Oh i know, no political points get scored with the teens death which had content that was actually disturbing. This crap about the "torture" should make everyone realize just how much in the tank the msm is for the libs
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Deflection attempt noted.... but failed.
 
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Sabanist said:
Not addressing the topic?
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I dont see the point. The US is a very very violent society with more gun deaths of any western industrial nation by far.. per day. Sure burning people aint normal, but violence is. While the girls case is tragic and most likely another hate crime, it is all in the days work so to say. There has also been little news about the anti-Semetic attack in New York the other day.. why not bitch about that as well? Oh yea anti-Semetism does not happen in the US, just as the right wing dont have terrorists among them, which is why a right wing terror attack in Texas a few weeks ago was barely mentioned.

So back to the case at hand.. a common violent crime in a country with lots of violent crimes vs a very uncommon government action that should absolutely not happen in a democracy anywhere.
 
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Sabanist said:
I just read the usa today article on the "torture" report. They put a disclaimer before the body of the story that some of the content would be disturbing.

Then they go on to write about sleep deprivation, uncomfortable sitting/standing, flying with a diaper on, nudity, rectal feeding, and yes waterboarding. Which was the only violent act included in the enhanced interrogations.


I saw no disclaimer before the story about the Mississippi teen burned alive two days ago, curious why?

Oh i know, no political points get scored with the teens death which had content that was actually disturbing. This crap about the "torture" should make everyone realize just how much in the tank the msm is for the libs
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Actually 72 hours in a 3 foot box is worse than waterboarding as it was permitted. I frankly disbelieve the allegation of 780 hours sleep deprivation as it seems to be longer that I thought pysiologically possible. But all told, the government seems to have broken the law and lied to the citizenry. That is a no go and we need prosecutions.
 
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joG said:
Actually 72 hours in a 3 foot box is worse than waterboarding as it was permitted. I frankly disbelieve the allegation of 780 hours sleep deprivation as it seems to be longer that I thought pysiologically possible. But all told, the government seems to have broken the law and lied to the citizenry. That is a no go and we need prosecutions.
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That won't occur and this is nothing but deflection from all the other scams.
 
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joG said:
Actually 72 hours in a 3 foot box is worse than waterboarding as it was permitted. I frankly disbelieve the allegation of 780 hours sleep deprivation as it seems to be longer that I thought pysiologically possible. But all told, the government seems to have broken the law and lied to the citizenry. That is a no go and we need prosecutions.
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Frankly i disbelieve much of it since it came from democrats.
 
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Typical torture apologist thread. We have heard everything from "its gonna cost American lives" to "it wasnt torture" to "its all Democrat lies to cover up Obama 'failed agenda'" to "but torture works" (not it doesnt) now to "psshhh the media is inflating it, it aint that bad"..
 
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Sabanist said:
I just read the usa today article on the "torture" report. They put a disclaimer before the body of the story that some of the content would be disturbing.

Then they go on to write about sleep deprivation, uncomfortable sitting/standing, flying with a diaper on, nudity, rectal feeding, and yes waterboarding. Which was the only violent act included in the enhanced interrogations.


I saw no disclaimer before the story about the Mississippi teen burned alive two days ago, curious why?

Oh i know, no political points get scored with the teens death which had content that was actually disturbing. This crap about the "torture" should make everyone realize just how much in the tank the msm is for the libs
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Let me help you reconcile this. The issue in Mississippi is about a crime perpetrated by an individual. It will likely be prosecuted. Torture is about a crime * perpetrated as a matter of policy by our government, for which not only will no one be prosecuted, but some will actually laud the perpetrators as patroits....

While perhaps it should be outrageous that we Americans accept violent crime in this country, it IS outrageous that our government is/has, as a matter of policy, perpetuated violent crime itself.


* - Waterboarding is a crime for which we demanded death in penalty in WWII

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waterboarding
 
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Let me help you reconcile this. The issue in Mississippi is about a crime perpetrated by an individual. It will likely be prosecuted. Torture is about a crime * perpetrated as a matter of policy by our government, for which not only will no one be prosecuted, but some will actually laud the perpetrators as patroits....

While perhaps it should be outrageous that we Americans accept violent crime in this country, it IS outrageous that our government is/has, as a matter of policy, perpetuated violent crime itself.


* - Waterboarding is a crime for which we demanded death in penalty in WWII

Waterboarding - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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The Japanese killed American soldiers during waterboarding. The CIA didn't. That's the difference.

In addition to that reality, no Japanese soldier was convicted of just waterboarding POW's.
 
apdst said:
The Japanese killed American soldiers during waterboarding. The CIA didn't. That's the difference.
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The CIA and military intelligence killed plenty of detainees. Back in 2005, The ACLU was able to get its hands on 44 detainee autopsies from various facilities in Iraq and Afghanistan. 21 had cause of death classified as homicide and details of the injuries and methods used in the process of torturing them to death.
 
upsideguy said:
Let me help you reconcile this. The issue in Mississippi is about a crime perpetrated by an individual. It will likely be prosecuted. Torture is about a crime * perpetrated as a matter of policy by our government, for which not only will no one be prosecuted, but some will actually laud the perpetrators as patroits....

While perhaps it should be outrageous that we Americans accept violent crime in this country, it IS outrageous that our government is/has, as a matter of policy, perpetuated violent crime itself.


* - Waterboarding is a crime for which we demanded death in penalty in WWII

Waterboarding - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Have you ever been waterboaded? You do, however, undestand that the procedure can go from uncomfortable to painful death depending on how applied. As allowed at the time it was not really torture. If there were, as allegedly happened, illegal excesses, they must be investigated and prosecuted. That is clear. But to do this legally and not politically will require the firmness of mind and character to be precise with one's definitions and so be able to differentiate between what is torture and what is not.
 
Napoleon said:
The CIA and military intelligence killed plenty of detainees. Back in 2005, The ACLU was able to get its hands on 44 detainee autopsies from various facilities in Iraq and Afghanistan. 21 had cause of death classified as homicide and details of the injuries and methods used in the process of torturing them to death.
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Link?
 
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I am more disturbed by the CIA anal feeding than by something that some criminal citizen did. The CIA torturing someone is more disturbing than if it was a private citizen. Perhaps that is what they are getting at. Or maybe the US wants some kind of anti-US attacks to occur so that someone will defend America... It does seems as though the media is trying hard to create the narrative that this report puts Americans in danger. What Americans? There will not even be criminal charges. Will someone shout Yankee go home? America is not responsible for this, the CIA is. Have there been any anti-US protests? Or is the world ignoring this nonsense. What protests have we seen? International leaders seem to be protesting. (:) America has no power these days. And the world is not playing American games anymore.
 
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I actually know a woman that went to jail for torturing someone. The person owed her money for drugs so she and some guy abducted him and tortured him for a few days. he escaped and reported them to the police and she went to jail. I was kind of shocked and disturbed by that. I am more shocked and disturbed by the CIA anal feeding and nudity. Are the CIA a bunch of sick homsexuals that are getting off on this stuff? What the hell is wrong with them?
 
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PeteEU said:
I dont see the point. The US is a very very violent society with more gun deaths of any western industrial nation by far.. per day. Sure burning people aint normal, but violence is. While the girls case is tragic and most likely another hate crime, it is all in the days work so to say. There has also been little news about the anti-Semetic attack in New York the other day.. why not bitch about that as well? Oh yea anti-Semetism does not happen in the US, just as the right wing dont have terrorists among them, which is why a right wing terror attack in Texas a few weeks ago was barely mentioned.

So back to the case at hand.. a common violent crime in a country with lots of violent crimes vs a very uncommon government action that should absolutely not happen in a democracy anywhere.
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The moral shortcoming is among those who limit what they would do to protect their fellow citizens or achieve victory for their country in war.
 
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TheDemSocialist said:
Typical torture apologist thread. We have heard everything from "its gonna cost American lives" to "it wasnt torture" to "its all Democrat lies to cover up Obama 'failed agenda'" to "but torture works" (not it doesnt) now to "psshhh the media is inflating it, it aint that bad"..
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I was interested in seeing a political party breakdown since it seems one is for and the other against on this site. Here is what I found. There are stark differences in opinion on torture along party lines. A large majority of Republicans (71 percent) said torture could be at least sometimes justified, compared with 51 percent of independents and 45 percent of Democrats, according to Pew research.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/s...ublic-opinion/

The surprise is that while most Democrats in congress are against this so called enhance interrogation, an amazing 45% of the Democratic base is for it, at least in certain instances. Although the article didn't provide the numbers of those against the use of torture, knowing roughly 10% fall into the undecided, don't know column on almost every poll. I would say the Democrats out in the the country and not in Washington are probably evenly divided on this.
 
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