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If Romney Was Elected President in 2012...

pbrauer said:
Very Funny, but I am serious. Fortunately we will never know if I am correct.
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I don't think so. Fox yes, the rest no. Back in 2012 I voted for Gary Johnson because I didn't trust one candidate and lost faith in the other. I think having the one I lost faith in is better than the one I didn't trust.

But each has their own opinion about that. As for your what if, no one will ever know for sure because it did not happen.
 
vesper said:
You want to make the claim that these were not Temporary holiday jobs?

Well according to the jobs report it states 50,200 new retail clerks make up a portion of them.....
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The numbers are seasonally adjusted to account for regularly occurring changes. The actual number collected was +172,700 jobs in retail trade, seasonally adjusted down to +50,200
Perhaps you should have read the report.
 
pinqy said:
The numbers are seasonally adjusted to account for regularly occurring changes. The actual number collected was +172,700 jobs in retail trade, seasonally adjusted down to +50,200
Perhaps you should have read the report.
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Pardon my cynicism, but how many of those 50,200 retail trade jobs are full-time? Friday’s survey also showed that the number of full-time workers ticked down in November from October. Look at the sectors a good number of the jobs were produced? They are lower paying jobs. Wage growth is still weak. The economy is still fragile.

CHARLES ORTEL: Obama jobs report relies on media to hoodwink Americans - Washington Times
 
If Romney would have won in 2012 this is exactly how they would be promoting the economy and job reports:

1. Record streak of job creation. Longest streak since 1939. When it was pointed out that many of the new jobs being created were low paying jobs, they would argue that anytime you have a recovery, most of the initial jobs created are lower end jobs, and that as the employment market gets stronger, wages will creep upward as the supply of employees is constrained relative to the number of jobs available.

2. Record investment as evidenced by the markets.

3. That we have the strongest performing economy of any G-20 nation, and that we have recovered better since the financial crisis and Great Recession than any other G-20 nation. They would argue that our economic performance should be measured by comparing us to our peers, and they would then go on to argue that our economy is the envy of the developed world and so on.
 
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vesper said:
Pardon my cynicism, but how many of those 50,200 retail trade jobs are full-time?
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No idea. The survey doesn't differentiate...it just asks total employees on the payroll and total hours and we get average hours.. Average hours for retail trade went from 31.4 to 31.5, so no real change

Friday’s survey also showed that the number of full-time workers ticked down in November from October.
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Different survey. "Jobs created" comes from the Current Employment Statistics, a survey of non-farm payroll jobs. What you're referencing now is the Current Population Survey which is a household survey. The 2 surveys have different universes, samples, definitions, and time periods.

Look at the sectors a good number of the jobs were produced? They are lower paying jobs. Wage growth is still weak. The economy is still fragile.
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Average hourly wages went up. Things aren't great, but it's moving in the right direction overall.

CHARLES ORTEL: Obama jobs report relies on media to hoodwink Americans - Washington Times[/QUOTE]
Interesting. There's nothing in there that lives up to the headline. Nothing in there wupports any "hoodwinking."
 
pbrauer said:
The mainstream media would go bonkers over the latest jobs report of 321,000 non farm jobs being added to the economy which was 100,000 larger than estimated. Remember when he said he could get the unemployment rate down to 6..0%? It's 5.9% now. Fox News and the MSM would saying: "Thank God, Mitt Romney was elected!."

Let's not forget the Dow Jones Industrial Average is so close to $18,000 you can almost taste it.
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Fox News always says the opposite of what the rest of the MSM says.
 
vesper said:
Oh really, so you say. Did you even read it?
We should be disturbed that the vast bulk of the jobs are domestic service jobs that do not produce exports to offset the massive trade deficit of the US offshored economy.
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If you want to make that argument....then you have to accept the fact that it was deregulation under Reagan/Bush that destroyed the manufacturing base of this country and pushed production overseas.
 
disneydude said:
If you want to make that argument....then you have to accept the fact that it was deregulation under Reagan/Bush that destroyed the manufacturing base of this country and pushed production overseas.
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Cheap labor pushed manufacturing jobs overseas and continues to do so. Anyone who ties to inject anything else into that equation is being dishonest.
 
disneydude said:
If you want to make that argument....then you have to accept the fact that it was deregulation under Reagan/Bush that destroyed the manufacturing base of this country and pushed production overseas.
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That is nonsense.
 
Jack Fabulous said:
Cheap labor pushed manufacturing jobs overseas and continues to do so. Anyone who ties to inject anything else into that equation is being dishonest.
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The thing though is, if this is pointed out, can we also add that American workers wouldn't have been able to compete with Chinese workers making .40-.50 cents an hour? In other words: Can we admit that even with deregulation, our workers would have had to settle for a fraction of what they earned just to compete with China?
 
pbrauer said:
Sorry,but you both are off topic, this thread is about the media.
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A thread with the title of 'If Romney Was Elected President in 2012' discussing the most recent economic jobs numbers, and you are claiming the thread is about the media?

Umm. I'm a little confused with the inconsistency here. But that's OK. Do please carry on. :mrgreen:
 
eohrnberger said:
A thread with the title of 'If Romney Was Elected President in 2012' discussing the most recent economic jobs numbers, and you are claiming the thread is about the media?

Umm. I'm a little confused with the inconsistency here. But that's OK. Do please carry on. :mrgreen:
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Umm. It would help if you read the OP. Just saying... :mrgreen:
 
dogtowner said:
Of course he would move unemployment by adding jobs not miving people from unemployment to disability making 300k a very weak number.
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... please, run with your fantasy... tell us how that would have happened. Keep in mind he only promised to get the unemployment number to 6% by 2016. He also promised 12 million jobs over his first term, which is 250,000 jobs a month.

Romney promises to bring unemployment down to 6% – CNN Political Ticker - CNN.com Blogs
Mitt Romney promises six percent unemployment - The Washington Post
Romney promises 12 million jobs in first term - Aug. 2, 2012'

Romney promised in four years what Obama delivered in two. Please tell us how things were going to be better under Romney...
 
Hatuey said:
The thing though is, if this is pointed out, can we also add that American workers wouldn't have been able to compete with Chinese workers making .40-.50 cents an hour? In other words: Can we admit that even with deregulation, our workers would have had to settle for a fraction of what they earned just to compete with China?
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Fair enough.

I happen to work for a corporation that is in the process of shifting it's manufacturing facilities to Mexico. They opened one 6000 unit/day facility in 2007 and another 6000 unit/day facility in 2010. Earlier this year they opened a new 12,000 unit/day facility. My position with this company is far removed from corporate headquarters and I don't get in on planning and strategic maneuvering but it is quite obvious what they are up to. Manufacturing operations are being shifted to Mexico and at the rate this is proceeding it will be complete in about 10 years, give or take. In the end I'd say we're talking in the 5,000 to 7,000 jobs lost range and it's all about saving money on labor. These aren't highly paid people, either. In this industry a "laborer" can expect a top pay rate in the 15-20 dollar/hour range depending on skill and location. The average pay rate is probably closer to about 12-13 dollars/hour.
 
You cant be serious. Youre saying that the media would be in the tank for romney? Ill need more than your word as evidence, as ive seen nothing but the contrary out of every news outlet save fox.
 
Fudged numbers. Unemployment is no where near 5%.

It's easy to call a win when you change the rules. It's what Progressives do.

Also, how many of these jobs that were created are temp jobs in retail for WalMart, K-Mart, Target, etc...? I would guess nearly all of them.
 
Rentoc said:
Fudged numbers. Unemployment is no where near 5%.
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How are you claiming the numbers are fudged and by whom? And what definition of Unemployed are you using. The number of Unemployed, defined as wanting a job, available for work, and actively looking for work divided by the Labor Force (Employed plus Unemployed) is between 5.6% and 6.0% at 95% confidence interval.
What are you figures and alternate data?

It's easy to call a win when you change the rules. It's what Progressives do.
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What rules are you claiming have changed?

Also, how many of these jobs that were created are temp jobs in retail for WalMart, K-Mart, Target, etc...? I would guess nearly all of them.
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You guess wrong.
 
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