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America’s least-trusted news sources are also its most popular.

SouthernDemocrat said:
To me the question is does the media source aspire to be non-biased and to present all sides. Obviously neither Fox News or MSNBC has such aspirations.
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Not true when it comes to the news on Fox. They present the news in a balanced manner with both sides represented. Watch the first half hour of Special Report some time if you have any doubts.

All too often people confuse their opinion programming during prime time, with their news oriented programming during the day. They are 2 seperate things.
 
Grim17 said:
Not true when it comes to the news on Fox. They present the news in a balanced manner with both sides represented. Watch the first half hour of Special Report some time if you have any doubts.

All too often people confuse their opinion programming during prime time, with their news oriented programming during the day. They are 2 seperate things.
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Well for that matter the actual news programs on MSNBC present news in a balanced manner, its the opinion programs on both networks that make them so biased. Moreover, even when you present news in a balanced manner, you can be heavily biased in story selection, something that both MSNBC and Fox News are constantly guilty of.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
Well for that matter the actual news programs on MSNBC present news in a balanced manner, its the opinion programs on both networks that make them so biased. Moreover, even when you present news in a balanced manner, you can be heavily biased in story selection, something that both MSNBC and Fox News are constantly guilty of.
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Now c'mon, we both know it's only spin when the right doesn't like it.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
Well for that matter the actual news programs on MSNBC present news in a balanced manner,
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That's not true. MSNBC doesn't have a straight news program. Everything they present includes political opinion.
 
rocket88 said:
It's my fault you can't be consistent?
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Do you not understand what "pulling a Maddow" is?

It's when you take things out of context, misinterperet things, or make incorrect assumptions because you're either too lazy to make sure your assumptions are correct, don't care about the facts because it's all about attack and trying to discredit your political adversaries, or both.

So how about you back track and discover your error... Then you can decide whether you want to continue pulling a Maddow and refuse to correct yourself, or you can do the right thing instead and retract. It's your call.
 
Rush is quite a bit more than just an entertainer. His program, delivered in an entertaining manner, is full of real content, whether that content is appreciated by most or not. Somebody says he employs weird logic. I disagree. His logic is usually spot on whether or not he arrives at a conclusion I can agree with. (And I certainly don't agree with all his conclusions.) His audience, all 20 or so million of them at any given time are no doubt mostly conservative ideologically. But there are obviously far more than 20 million conservatives in the country, so to suggest that Rush has any power to determine or dictate what conservatives believe or think is just silly.

Rush's audience tune in purely because he puts into words what they already believe and are thinking. But he also does research that they don't have time to do or brings up possibilities or concepts or facts or statistics that they hadn't thought of. That sends people to the internet or to do additional research to learn more. I don't know of anybody who automatically believes something just because Rush said it. But his team does really good scholarship. He doesn't get too many facts or figures wrong.

But Rush was the grandfather of the political radio talk show genre and all others have been generally based on the format he developed from scratch. And he has had an amazing quarter century run in the No. #1 slot in the ratings all this time. That is an amazing feat and nobody can take that away from him. The only reason his ratings have declined is because he has opened the door for so many others who get a share of the total audience.

But all talk radio that has any audience at all will be interesting thought provoking, entertaining, and informative. Those that are based purely on trashing something or somebody don't usually last long and/or don't enjoy much in the way of ratings.

Everybody won't like everybody and that is true of Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, NPR, or whomever. The difference between conservatives and liberals in these things is that liberals more often seem to think they have to destroy whatever they don't like. Conservatives more often just express their opinions and change the station or channel.
 
Grim17 said:
Do you not understand what "pulling a Maddow" is?

It's when you take things out of context, misinterperet things, or make incorrect assumptions because you're either too lazy to make sure your assumptions are correct, don't care about the facts because it's all about attack and trying to discredit your political adversaries, or both.

So how about you back track and discover your error... Then you can decide whether you want to continue pulling a Maddow and refuse to correct yourself, or you can do the right thing instead and retract. It's your call.
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You said that since Obama got elected, NBC was the worst, but since 2000 CBS was the worst. Did Obama get elected President before 2000?
 
I just find it completely hilarious that people think EVERYONE ELSES news source, and not theirs, spins the news. I just don't know how some of you people warp your minds in such a fashion to believe that the sources of news you listen to are not as warped as every other source. I guess that is why politics is the way it is in America. As long as people remain ignorant and so glued to their parties views, they can drive the country strait into the ground with not problems at all.
 
rocket88 said:
You said that since Obama got elected, NBC was the worst, but since 2000 CBS was the worst. Did Obama get elected President before 2000?
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Seriously... What is so hard to understand here?

If you would have traced the conversation back, I said the following:

Grim17 said:
It varies, but in the last 10 years over all, CBS probably takes the prize... Since Obama took office, it has to be NBC.
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I thought about it and ammended it to the year 2000, but I still don't understand how you see a contradiction there? Let me make it real easy for you:

Over the last 14 years going back to 2000, over all I would say CBS is the least trusted... But if you only consider the last 6 years since Obama was elected, then the least trusted in my opinion is NBC.

Do you understand now?
 
Gringo allstar said:
I did, he's a liberal hack who has a column in a Detroit paper.
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Well, you can't have liberal hacks going after conservative hacks. Then you'd have to let conservative hacks go after liberal hacks. Then we'd have to have Constitutional amendments protecting that freedom. Chaos would ensue. Dogs living with cats and what not...
 
Grim17 said:
Seriously... What is so hard to understand here?

If you would have traced the conversation back, I said the following:




I thought about it and ammended it to the year 2000, but I still don't understand how you see a contradiction there? Let me make it real easy for you:

Over the last 14 years going back to 2000, over all I would say CBS is the least trusted... But if you only consider the last 6 years since Obama was elected, then the least trusted in my opinion is NBC.

Do you understand now?
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So CBS is least trusted (by you) except until 2008 when it's NBC (according to you). In which case I'd say that CBS isn't the least trusted anymore. You'll try to have it both ways because, well you always do, but you can't have two sources that are both trusted less than each other.
 
rocket88 said:
So CBS is least trusted (by you) except until 2008 when it's NBC (according to you). In which case I'd say that CBS isn't the least trusted anymore. You'll try to have it both ways because, well you always do, but you can't have two sources that are both trusted less than each other.
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You actually resort to playing dumb in order to attack me... Good God man, have you no self esteem?
 
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