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Fox News Silence On Latest Benghazi Info Tells You Everything

Misterveritis said:
From your cited article..."according to the ranking Democrat..."

Unless the witnesses were put under oath and deposed by skilled prosecutors we are unlikely to get the truth.
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:lamo I love this!

"The House Intelligence Committee, led by Republicans, has concluded that there was no deliberate wrongdoing by the Obama administration in the 2012 attack on the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi, Libya, that killed Ambassador Chris Stevens and three other Americans, said Rep. Mike Thompson of St. Helena, the second-ranking Democrat on the committee.

The panel voted Thursday to declassify the report, the result of two years of investigation by the committee. U.S. intelligence agencies will have to approve making the report public.

Thompson said the report "confirms that no one was deliberately misled, no military assets were withheld and no stand-down order (to U.S. forces) was given."

That conflicts with accusations of administration wrongdoing voiced by Rep. Darrell Issa, R-Vista (San Diego County), whose House Government Oversight and Reform Committee has held hearings on the Benghazi attack."

House panel: No administration wrongdoing in Benghazi attack - SFGate

Just admit that nothing was found already. Wasnt this the panel that was supposed to find the truth? The panel that was going to prove something? The panel in which we spent millions on? What they find? JACK ****
 
TheDemSocialist said:
:lamo I love this!

"The House Intelligence Committee, led by Republicans, has concluded that there was no deliberate wrongdoing by the Obama administration in the 2012 attack on the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi, Libya, that killed Ambassador Chris Stevens and three other Americans, said Rep. Mike Thompson of St. Helena, the second-ranking Democrat on the committee.

The panel voted Thursday to declassify the report, the result of two years of investigation by the committee. U.S. intelligence agencies will have to approve making the report public.

Thompson said the report "confirms that no one was deliberately misled, no military assets were withheld and no stand-down order (to U.S. forces) was given."

That conflicts with accusations of administration wrongdoing voiced by Rep. Darrell Issa, R-Vista (San Diego County), whose House Government Oversight and Reform Committee has held hearings on the Benghazi attack."

House panel: No administration wrongdoing in Benghazi attack - SFGate

Just admit that nothing was found already. Wasnt this the panel that was supposed to find the truth? The panel that was going to prove something? The panel in which we spent millions on? What they find? JACK ****
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From your report..."said Rep. Mike Thompson of St. Helena, the second-ranking Democrat on the committee."

I will not believe we have discovered the truth until there is a select committee with subpoena power. One cannot arrive at the truth by playing with liars.

Why not just admit that you are not actually interested in getting the truth?
 
Misterveritis said:
From your report..."said Rep. Mike Thompson of St. Helena, the second-ranking Democrat on the committee."

I will not believe we have discovered the truth until there is a select committee with subpoena power. One cannot arrive at the truth by playing with liars.

Why not just admit that you are not actually interested in getting the truth?
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Or in other words you wont believe there is a republican that comes out and claims there was something, in which there were not. Why has there been no one in the GOP? Because they found nothing.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Apparently you didnt hear the news. House panel: No administration wrongdoing in Benghazi attack - SFGate
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Apparently you missed the end of the first paragraph in that story:

...said Rep. Mike Thompson of St. Helena, the second-ranking Democrat on the committee.​

There's a reason that only MSNBC gave this any play and if you could take a minute and look through the partisan cloud that is obscuring your vision, you might figure out why ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN and Fox didn't find it the earth shattering story that the liars over at the Young Turks did.
 
Derp said:
Cenk Uygur, I like how he edited the quote "all roads lead to the State Department", he didn't finish the quote, gee I wonder why.... that is part of the report that Fox is silent on.


Silence from Fox :lamo



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zjt87I0pRpA
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You mean the Young Turks LIED and our resident socialist bought their BS hook, line and sinker AGAIN...

So this entire thread is another dishonest attack on Fox News... How shocking. LMAO
 
Grim17 said:
Apparently you missed the end of the first paragraph in that story:

...said Rep. Mike Thompson of St. Helena, the second-ranking Democrat on the committee.​

There's a reason that only MSNBC gave this any play and if you could take a minute and look through the partisan cloud that is obscuring your vision, you might figure out why ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN and Fox didn't find it the earth shattering story that the liars over at the Young Turks did.
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So what they find?
 
As readers of this thread can see, the right wing talk media fan base again inhabits their own, unique reality. Admission of failure, even by their shining beacon on the hill (Fox News) (posted earlier), doesn't mean the bull**** politically-motivated conspiracy theories are false, just that they haven't been proven true yet. In fact, every Republican on the hill could proclaim the Obama administration innocent on this issue and the true believers (the truly deluded) would still find fault of some sort.

The delusion is total. They know that somehow, someway, despite admissions of failure surrounding them, what they believe will be proven to be true.There is no amount of facts or reality or logic that can dissuade them. On a wide scale, pretty scary.
 
So we don't have a report released from the House Select Committee ... ?
 
Karl said:
Your link does not support your hysterical claims.
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You mean the facts.

The FACT that the Libyan embassy was attacked weeks before the 9//11 attack when terrorist blew a 12 foot hole in the compound wall.

The FACT that the British and Red Cross got the hell out of Benghazi while Hillary and Obama kept our personal their without increasing their security detail.

The FACT that the embassy was left in such a vulnerable state because no one Stateside, in the White House or the State Department had the good sense to put more military assets offsite JUST IN CASE the Embassy was attacked.

You guys claim there was " no stand down " ? Who cares. There was no ANYTHING, no back up plan, no rescue plan, no attempt to even consider what would happen if the Benghazi embassy was attacked.

Even after our Cairo embassy was attacked there was no effort what so ever to make sure that IF our people came under attack, help would be just a short plane ride away.

It's why electing a President who QUALIFIED is so important and why people who were too intellectually lazy to look past the empty platitudes and bumper sticker slogans should just not vote for a while.

It's clear you people don't vet your candidates.
 
Jesse Booth said:
I haven't heard anybody saying that Benghazi was the result of deliberate wrongdoing by Obama's administration. From what I've heard, Conservatives are pissed off because of the sheer incompetence of the people involved, and because the security at the embassy was surprisingly low, considering the fact that the Ambassador had been requesting more security for a while. But then again, this issue has never been very important to me, so I probably haven't heard all the opinions on it.
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I will add that the talking points that Susan Rice came out with on 5 Sunday Talk Shows was a lie. Remember the WMD issue by the Dem's and Bush. Well we all know that Susan Rice was a sacrificial lamb to go out and lie to the American people. Hillery did not protect our embassy. Period. And to cover it up it they blamed it on a video and they stuck to that talking point in spite of the evidence they knew what really happened on day one.

The cover up remains.
 
Born Free said:
I will add that the talking points that Susan Rice came out with on 5 Sunday Talk Shows was a lie. Remember the WMD issue by the Dem's and Bush. Well we all know that Susan Rice was a sacrificial lamb to go out and lie to the American people. Hillery did not protect our embassy. Period. And to cover it up it they blamed it on a video and they stuck to that talking point in spite of the evidence they knew what really happened on day one.

The cover up remains.
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Just a couple of points - the embassy wasn't the place where the U.S. personnel were killed. They were killed in CIA outposts staffed mostly by CIA personnel under State Dept cover doing CIA spook work. It's odd that in all these Benghazi threads, right wingers never bring up the guy in charge of those CIA operations - David Petraeus. Wonder why that it?

They were his guys doing his ops in a dangerous area, surely he had some role in their protection, right? If the official orders had to go through State Dept, I can see that, but does CIA normally defer to State Department personnel when CIA is making decisions about CIA operations? In other words, is Hillary in charge of CIA ops in the ME? I highly doubt it.

And they really didn't know what happened on Day One except the CIA outposts were attacked. They didn't know who, so how can they know the motives of attackers whose identity at that point was unknown? There is video the day after the attacks of locals blaming the attack on the video, and there were attacks elsewhere at least in part in reaction to ginned up outrage over the video, so that could have been as good a guess as any. In any case at that point they were speculating, and said so at the time.

I've suspected for some time that that attacks were related to the spook operations in that area, but I can't prove that. But given that we still don't really know what Petraeus's boys were doing there, it must have been sensitive enough to keep it secret even years later, which makes it more likely the insurgents in the area retaliated against those operations.
 
Fenton said:
The FACT that the British and Red Cross got the hell out of Benghazi while Hillary and Obama kept our personal their without increasing their security detail.
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The personnel killed were CIA personnel, in CIA outposts, doing CIA spook work. Don't you think Petraeus deserves a mention for keeping HIS personnel there without increasing the security detail protecting his agents? Or maybe I missed something and Hillary is in charge of CIA operations and their security, and Petraeus has no responsibility for protecting his own agents?

The FACT that the embassy was left in such a vulnerable state because no one Stateside, in the White House or the State Department OR CIA had the good sense to put more military assets offsite JUST IN CASE the Embassy was attacked.
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Added a bit for clarity.

You guys claim there was " no stand down " ? Who cares. There was no ANYTHING, no back up plan, no rescue plan, no attempt to even consider what would happen if the Benghazi embassy was attacked.
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The right wing blowhards cared and repeated that bogus talking point for nearly two years until the 'stand down order' bullcrap was proved bullcrap. And you mean no back up plan in case the CIA outposts were attacked, not the embassy.
 
JasperL said:
Just a couple of points - the embassy wasn't the place where the U.S. personnel were killed. They were killed in CIA outposts staffed mostly by CIA personnel under State Dept cover doing CIA spook work. It's odd that in all these Benghazi threads, right wingers never bring up the guy in charge of those CIA operations - David Petraeus. Wonder why that it?

They were his guys doing his ops in a dangerous area, surely he had some role in their protection, right? If the official orders had to go through State Dept, I can see that, but does CIA normally defer to State Department personnel when CIA is making decisions about CIA operations? In other words, is Hillary in charge of CIA ops in the ME? I highly doubt it.

And they really didn't know what happened on Day One except the CIA outposts were attacked. They didn't know who, so how can they know the motives of attackers whose identity at that point was unknown? There is video the day after the attacks of locals blaming the attack on the video, and there were attacks elsewhere at least in part in reaction to ginned up outrage over the video, so that could have been as good a guess as any. In any case at that point they were speculating, and said so at the time.

I've suspected for some time that that attacks were related to the spook operations in that area, but I can't prove that. But given that we still don't really know what Petraeus's boys were doing there, it must have been sensitive enough to keep it secret even years later, which makes it more likely the insurgents in the area retaliated against those operations.
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That's why they have a special prosecutor to sort all that out. The thing with Hillery she was sticking by her video story for weeks afterward. I understand hearings are to begin next month, then hopefully we can get to the truth.
 
Born Free said:
That's why they have a special prosecutor to sort all that out. The thing with Hillery she was sticking by her video story for weeks afterward. I understand hearings are to begin next month, then hopefully we can get to the truth.
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They need a special prosecutor to sort it all out, but in the meantime you're blaming all the lapses on Hillary (even above) and ignoring that Petraeus signed off on those talking points as well, and it was his boys in his facilities that were attacked, two of them killed.

Also, too, Petraeus stuck by the video story for 'weeks' (actually Hillary stood by the video story less than two weeks) as well. He didn't show up for the memorial for his slain employees because he wanted to keep the CIA role in those facilities secret. Do you care? Not enough to even mention his name.... So you might understand why it looks like a partisan witch hunt to lots of us outside the right wing bubble.
 
Karl said:
Another conspiracy theorist :lamo

Even if your charge was true (while the evidence shows it is not), if lying to the public was an actionable offense then all politicians would be incarcerated :shock:
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When you're charged with upholding the Constitution and empowered to enforce the laws and make laws...lying to the public SHOULD be an actionable offense. There is nothing wrong with the words "I cannot comment on that" or something similar. Police do it all the time. But to straight up lie to the people....yes, it should be an actionable offense to those in office. Lying to other governments is one thing. Lying to the people over public air waves is quite another.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
So what they find?
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We don't know because the report hasn't been released to the public yet.

So how come you have not retracted your false attack on Fox News? They did report on it as the following video proves:

 
jonny5 said:
I stand corrected. Though I still beleive its not in the spirt of Fox's previous focus.
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It was presented as a "Fox News Alert" at 10am on the morning it all took place. What more did you want from them?
 
Grim17 said:
It was presented as a "Fox News Alert" at 10am on the morning it all took place. What more did you want from them?
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Well, given their previous hammering of the issue, I'd expect them to hammer home any facts that are known and declassified. Since they are "Fair and Balanced...."

It's not really a surprise that they wouldn't want to focus on information that they don't want to focus on though. We both know that they are biased toward the right (which is their right), or at least in your clearer thinking moments you have admitted as much.
 
"... will not believe we have discovered the truth until there is a select committee with subpoena power. One cannot arrive at the truth by playing with liars."
TheDemSocialist said:
Or in other words you wont believe there is a republican that comes out and claims there was something, in which there were not. Why has there been no one in the GOP? Because they found nothing.
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Why is it so hard to understand something so simple? This administration lies. It lies all of the time. It lies to its enemies and it lies to its supporters. Has there been a select committee appointed with the power to subpoena witnesses and to question them under oath?

Until that happens we have little chance to discover the truth.
 
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TheDemSocialist said:
Video @: [/FONT][/COLOR][h=1]Fox News Silence On Latest Benghazi Info Tells You Everything[/h]
Shush! Everyone, leave it alone! All these petty talking points being revealed for what they are!? Nothing but ****ty talking point?!?! You dont say!?
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Err, it was never the incident in Libya that was the problem. The problem was the misdirection to an Internet video, and other misdirections from the administration (all to protect Obama's reelection campaign memes) as to the real cause and what really happened.

**** happens, you live, you learn. The misdirection was on purpose.
 
JasperL said:
Just a couple of points - the embassy wasn't the place where the U.S. personnel were killed. They were killed in CIA outposts staffed mostly by CIA personnel under State Dept cover doing CIA spook work. It's odd that in all these Benghazi threads, right wingers never bring up the guy in charge of those CIA operations - David Petraeus. Wonder why that it?

They were his guys doing his ops in a dangerous area, surely he had some role in their protection, right? If the official orders had to go through State Dept, I can see that, but does CIA normally defer to State Department personnel when CIA is making decisions about CIA operations? In other words, is Hillary in charge of CIA ops in the ME? I highly doubt it.

And they really didn't know what happened on Day One except the CIA outposts were attacked. They didn't know who, so how can they know the motives of attackers whose identity at that point was unknown? There is video the day after the attacks of locals blaming the attack on the video, and there were attacks elsewhere at least in part in reaction to ginned up outrage over the video, so that could have been as good a guess as any. In any case at that point they were speculating, and said so at the time.

I've suspected for some time that that attacks were related to the spook operations in that area, but I can't prove that. But given that we still don't really know what Petraeus's boys were doing there, it must have been sensitive enough to keep it secret even years later, which makes it more likely the insurgents in the area retaliated against those operations.
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Chris Stevens and Sean Smith were killed at the U.S. Diplomatic mission.

Tyrone Woods and Glen Doherty were killed at the CIA annex.


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Grim17 said:
It was presented as a "Fox News Alert" at 10am on the morning it all took place. What more did you want from them?
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Their usual treatment. Expand on the story, get some comments from officials, then have a debate with both sides as to what it means or how its important. Then repeat the story several times on each show of the day.
 
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