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Fox News at it again

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I understand that you, Harshaw, etc. want to believe that's true and so you do.

It's is so blatantly true how could you ignore anyone giving the media a fair and balance view would see that FOX presents the most balanced view.

BTW the story you are trying to use as evidence, the high school parody, was debunked a while back and if you had watched it yourself you would have seen that is was NOT reported as hard news or during the news broadcast. One of the morning show personalities noted that this story was going all over the internet, several times during their discussion of it it was noted that it was not confirmed and it could be a phony story.

This is how the left spins things to try and shut down news and discussion which goes against their political views, you know like repressive governments do.

The majority of people recognize Faux for what it is.

Actually the majority of news watchers know that FOX gives the most balanced view, those that watch MSNBC and the MSM merely repeat leftest propaganda in order to try and control political speech and shut down venues that show the other side.
It's nothing but a pacifier for the right wing to suck on. Which is why it's discussed so much.

I know you don't like it, but that's the way it is.

Oh believe me I don't like leftest trying to control political speech but thanks to FOX we can get balanced discussions and even handed reporting.
 
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I understand that you, Harshaw, etc. want to believe that's true and so you do.

Uh, no. I understand that you'd rather I think that, because it's easier for you to dismiss, but you'll notice from my posts that I accept it's a conservative organization.

My question was, it's the sole conservative network among several liberal ones (which, by the way, have a rather high number of prominent "journalists" who previously worked in various Democratic White Houses). So, what's the harm? One among many?
 
It's is so blatantly true how could you ignore anyone giving the media a fair and balance view would see that FOX presents the most balanced view.

First it's that they're fair and balanced, and now it's merely that they're "the most fair and balanced." Which is it, and why are you faltering?

Tell me, if FOX is so fair and balanced, how many republican presidential candidates have been interviewed compared to democratic ones?
 
First it's that they're fair and balanced, and now it's merely that they're "the most fair and balanced." Which is it, and why are you faltering?

So you now have to stooped to semantics to try and make your arguements?

Tell me, if FOX is so fair and balanced, how many republican presidential candidates have been interviewed compared to democratic ones?

How many Democrat candidates have blacklisted FOX? All of them except for maybe Kuncinich who is on there quite regularly. It's not that FOX doesn't want to interview them, they would love to, it's that the Democrats are too scared to go on their network invoking the same bogus reasons you are trying to make.
 
I ran across an interesting story the other day. According to the Project for Excellence in Journalism, an independent think tank, Fox News, in recent months, devoted significantly more air time to the death of Anna Nicole Smith than any of its rivals. That's not all. Fox is also providing less coverage of the war in Iraq than its rivals. I'll quote from the story.

"Fox spent half as much time covering the Iraq war than MSNBC during the first three months of the year, and considerably less than CNN. The difference was more stark during daytime news hours than in prime-time opinion shows. The Iraq war occupied 20 percent of CNN's daytime news hole and 18 percent of MSNBC's. On Fox, the war was talked about only 6 percent of the time. Another story that has reflected poorly on the Bush administration, the controversy over U.S. attorney firings, also received more attention on MSNBC (8 percent of the newshole) and CNN (4 percent) than on Fox (2 percent), the Project for Excellence in Journalism found.

"If Fox's audience is dominated by Republicans who are disgusted about hearing bad news on Iraq, it would stand to reason that you'd want to feed them less of it. Bill O'Reilly touched upon that idea on the air one night last December, telling viewers that the lowest-rated segment of his show the previous night was when Iraq was discussed. Ratings jumped at talk about Britney Spears, he said.

"The danger is whether those concerns eat away at journalistic credibility."

Source


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"Fox spent half as much time covering the Iraq war than MSNBC during the first three months of the year, and considerably less than CNN."

And? What was the substance of the reporting on MSNBC and CNN versus FOX?

"The Iraq war occupied 20 percent of CNN's daytime news hole and 18 percent of MSNBC's. On Fox, the war was talked about only 6 percent of the time."

So? We know that CNN and MSNBC are obsessed with convincing the public that Bush lied, the war is lost, it's all about oil and they harp on it endlessly.

"Another story that has reflected poorly on the Bush administration, the controversy over U.S. attorney firings, also received more attention on MSNBC (8 percent of the newshole) and CNN (4 percent) than on Fox (2 percent), the Project for Excellence in Journalism found."

It was a non-story to begin with, this only proves that FOX is more balanced about it. The whole affair is nothing but Democrats desperately trying to get Bush adminsitration officials thrown in prisons to get them out of the way and the MSNBC's and CNN's spend disproportionate amounts of time on it with their highly UNBALANCED coverage of it.
 
So? We know that CNN and MSNBC are obsessed with convincing the public that Bush lied, the war is lost, it's all about oil and they harp on it endlessly.
You know that as much as others know that Fox is biased and both have the same amount of chance proving their accusations.

It was a non-story to begin with, this only proves that FOX is more balanced about it. The whole affair is nothing but Democrats desperately trying to get Bush adminsitration officials thrown in prisons to get them out of the way and the MSNBC's and CNN's spend disproportionate amounts of time on it with their highly UNBALANCED coverage of it.

I'm glad you see obstruction of justice as a non-issue. The investigation of the firings was not a non-issue.

The Libby persecution was the non-issue and was the "whole affair" Democrats desperately used to try and land at least someone in jail. They couldn't prove who was at fault since everyone in the Bush administration that had anything to do with the firings suffer from permanent memory lapse.
 
You know that as much as others know that Fox is biased and both have the same amount of chance proving their accusations.

No what I know is that FOX will present both sides of the argument and not let people say such things without being challenged as opposed to the other news networks which allow Dems and leftest to just go on a propagandize.


I'm glad you see obstruction of justice as a non-issue. The investigation of the firings was not a non-issue.

None has been shown, nor has any crime been shown, nor any evidence there was one. And congress is not the justice department, it would be an obstruction of congress but then these matters are none of their concern in the first place.

The Libby persecution was the non-issue and was the "whole affair" Democrats desperately used to try and land at least someone in jail. They couldn't prove who was at fault since everyone in the Bush administration that had anything to do with the firings suffer from permanent memory lapse.

OH one of those they are guilty because there is no evidence things.

It;s politics, can't you see that. The Dems want to put as many Bush officials in jail on trumped up charges as the can so they can get back political power.

If that is what you think is good government so be it. I don't. The president has the authority to do what he did, or his cabinet did, it's none of congresses business. As far as the Plame thing, they had a duty to inform the public of the truth of the matter. The Wilson's tried to commit a fraud on the public and got caught at it.
 
No what I know is that FOX will present both sides of the argument and not let people say such things without being challenged as opposed to the other news networks which allow Dems and leftest to just go on a propagandize.
If you are on the left and you are to appear on Fox News you will be a defendant and you will be constantly interrupted. If you are on the right you will be agreed with and praised. It's how it is, and it pleases their viewers. Fox News is good at it and they make huge amounts of money because of it.

All news stations have opposing guests from political parties.

None has been shown, nor has any crime been shown, nor any evidence there was one. And congress is not the justice department, it would be an obstruction of congress but then these matters are none of their concern in the first place.

Those in charge lied about why the attorney's were fired and now NO ONE can remember why they were fired or who directed the firing. That right there is just cause for an investigation. The investigation was to find if there was obstruction of justice. The obstruction being firing the attorney's to stop them from prosecuting corrupt politicians of a specific political party.

If it is not the concern of the justice department to prosecute members of the government for corruption and illegal affairs who's is it?

OH one of those they are guilty because there is no evidence things.

No. It was one of those, "I know someone you work for is guilty but I can't prove who it is so you are going to go down instead".

It;s politics, can't you see that. The Dems want to put as many Bush officials in jail on trumped up charges as the can so they can get back political power.

The Libby prosecution was politics from the left. The firings were under investigation as being illegal politics from the right.

If that is what you think is good government so be it. I don't. The president has the authority to do what he did, or his cabinet did, it's none of congresses business.
It's called checks and balance. If the President fires attorney's because those attorney's are investigating corruption into the President's political allies, that is obstruction of justice.

If a Republican President appoints attorneys, he/she cannot tell them "While I am President you can only investigation Democratic corruption". You may feel the ability for the President to have such an agenda is a "good" government. I personally believe a non-partisan government is better for America then a partisan one.
 
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If you are on the left and you are to appear on Fox News you will be a defendant

No more than the conservative is a "defendent" of their position.
If you are on the right you will be agreed with and praised.

Depends which of the host is speaking at the moment as opposed to MSNBC which always opposed conservative view points the few times they have them on.
It's how it is, and it pleases their viewers. Fox News is good at it and they make huge amounts of money because of it.

What please their veiwers, who are only 30% conservative, is seeing both sides presented equally, that's why they grew like they did with a broad audience as opposed to the others which give one sided views and can't even compete.


All news stations have opposing guests from political parties.



Those in charge lied about why the attorney's were fired

No one has been shown to have lied.

and now NO ONE can remember why they were fired or who directed the firing.

Reasons don't have to be given. They are normally rotated out anyway to let someone else take the position. We don't want US Attorney's building little fifedoms with the power they have.

That right there is just cause for an investigation.

No it's not, they serve at the pleasure of the President, what don't you understand about that?

The investigation was to find if there was obstruction of justice.

Oh another one of those, when you can't get your political opponent on a crime, then get them in a perjury trap.

There was no justice to obstruct.
The obstruction being firing the attorney's to stop them from prosecuting corrupt politicians of a specific political party.

Something which the Democrats were unable to prove and none of the fired attorneys were able to show that to be true.

If it is not the concern of the justice department to prosecute members of the government for corruption and illegal affairs who's is it?

Bring the charge. Who has made it and where is the evidence.

The firings were under investigation as being illegal politics from the right.

Allegations that were totally made up.

If the President fires attorney's because those attorney's are investigating corruption into the President's political allies, that is obstruction of justice.

Who made that charge, which investigation was obstructed?
If a Republican President appoints attorneys, he/she cannot tell them "While I am President you can only investigation Democratic corruption".

And your evidence Bush did that? Hmmmmm seems to me they have been investigating Republicans.

You may feel the ability for the President to have such an agenda is a "good" government.

You may feel the ability of Democrats to bring bogus charges in order to get their political opponents thrown in jail good government, I don't.
I personally believe a non-partisan government is better for America then a partisan one.

Then how can you possibly defend the Gonzalez thing which is totally a bogus partisan witch hunt?
 
No more than the conservative is a "defendent" of their position.
From my limited views of Fox News programming, those on the right who are guests have conversations of agreement and those on the left have heated arguments

Depends which of the host is speaking at the moment as opposed to MSNBC which always opposed conservative view points the few times they have them on.
I'm not claiming that MSNBC isn't biased. I'm claiming FoxNews is just as biased as any other news organization.

Of the 20 major media outlets studied, 18 scored left of center, with CBS' "Evening News," The New York Times and the Los Angeles Times ranking second, third and fourth most liberal behind the news pages of The Wall Street Journal.

Only Fox News' "Special Report With Brit Hume" and The Washington Times scored right of the average U.S. voter.
http://www.newsroom.ucla.edu/page.asp?RelNum=6664

Almost shocking was the extent to which Fox News viewers were mistaken. Those who relied on the conservative network for news, PIPA reported, were “three times more likely than the next nearest network to hold all three misperceptions. In the audience for NPR/PBS, however, there was an overwhelming majority who did not have any of the three misperceptions, and hardly any had all three.”

Looking at the misperceptions one at a time, people were asked, for example, if the U.S. had discovered the alleged stockpiles of WMD in Iraq since the war began. Just 11% of those who relied on newspapers as their “primary news source” incorrectly believed that U.S. forces had made such a discovery. Only slightly more — 17% — of those who relied on NPR and PBS were wrong. Yet 33% of Fox News viewers were wrong, far ahead of those who relied on any other outlet.
The Carpetbagger Report » Blog Archive » Study shows Fox News viewers misinformed about war, Iraq, WMD

It was also stated that in 2004, of those that watched Fox News at their only news source, 88% were likely to vote for Bush while 7% were likely yo vote for Kerry.

Fox News is not alone in being bias. All news corporations have a partisian agenda. MSNBC, ABC, CNN, are all partisan too. None of the news corporations are partisan all 100% of the time but they all have a majority leaning.


I'm going to stop the investigation debate because it will completely hijack this thread.
 
LEWISTON - An obscure online parody of the recent hate incident at the Lewiston Middle School - a parody reported as news on a national Fox broadcast Tuesday - launched an immediate avalanche of angry phone calls and ugly e-mails to the school system...........

Wessler, who talked to a Texas CBS affiliate and two Fox affiliates Tuesday and has been scheduled to appear on another Fox broadcast today, said, "This kind of distortion by reputable news outlets is destructive."

"Fox has figured out, from the calls we've gotten, that they've made a big mistake," Wessler said.

SunJournal.com - Ham report stirs 'mess'

Faux Noise is getting some headlines today for reporting a parody as "news". Think Progress also has the video of the "news report" you can see here:

Think Progress » Fox News Sinks To New Low, Repeatedly Reports Parody Story As Actual News

I can't stop laughing...this coming in the wake of Wednesday's night "Buying The War"

I can't wait to see what Jon Stewart does with those rascally reporters from Faux news..lmao!!


They make me want to throw up when ever I turn them on in the mornings. They say the CORNIEST things and laugh like it's hilarious. Their small talk is so stupid.
 
From my limited views of Fox News programming, those on the right who are guests have conversations of agreement and those on the left have heated arguments

They have a balanced mix. If a liberal host is interviewing a guest on a commentary show you could expect questions from that basis, a liberal interviewing a liberal from that basis, a conservative with a conservative from that basis, if it is a hard news interview a balance perspective. As opposed to the other media where there are few conservative interviewers and panels are disporpotionately liberal sometimes not have a conservative side AT ALL.


I'm not claiming that MSNBC isn't biased. I'm claiming FoxNews is just as biased as any other news organization.

And I'm claiming othewise, MSNBC doesn't even try to hide it's bias, it is proud of it, it celebrates it, it relishes in smearing and attacking the conservative side and present that bias'd view as fact. Fox offers both sides, a balance view and you can decide for yourself.


It was also stated that in 2004, of those that watched Fox News at their only news source, 88% were likely to vote for Bush while 7% were likely yo vote for Kerry.

So?

Fox News is not alone in being bias.

It is alone in being balanced.
All news corporations have a partisian agenda. MSNBC, ABC, CNN, are all partisan too. None of the news corporations are partisan all 100% of the time but they all have a majority leaning.


I certainly agree with you that those do and are proud of it.

As far as the firing of the US Attorney, just watched the bias'd misrepresentation of the issue MSNBC and the other networks engage in. If you want to REALLY know the issue watch FOX and get a balanced honest presentation of the facts.
 
They have a balanced mix.

They carefully frame every story for their demographic, meticulously pick and choose "news" and the way the present it to promote one very narrow perspective of American conservatism.

In other words Stinger, they tell you exactly what you want to hear.
 
They carefully frame every story for their demographic,

Which is a balanced mixed.
meticulously pick and choose "news" and the way the present it to promote one very narrow perspective of American conservatism.

Nope, they give a broad balanced perspective, people just aren't used to seeing that and think it is slanted.

In other words Stinger, they tell you exactly what you want to hear.

Nope you are confusing them with MSNBC, FOX allows people to make their own minds by giving both sides. That is apparent here, you can tell those who do hear both sides of the issues as oppose to those who rely on the misinformation coming form the liberal media. For instance a recent poster claiming that Bush said Saddam was a imminent threat, if you watch MSNBC you would believe that propaganda. If you listened to FOX you would know that wasn't true. Or those that listen to MSNBC still believe that Wilson told the truth because MSNBC won't tell them he was totally debunked, those that listen to FOX know better.
 
Unbelievable.....simply unbelievable. :rofl

ARGHHHHHH!!!! :doh
 
Unbelievable.....simply unbelievable. :rofl

ARGHHHHHH!!!! :doh

Certainly more so than the assertions otherwise :shoot

You aren't honestly going to try and say MSNBC gives anywhere near the balance presentation as FOX.
 
They have a balanced mix. If a liberal host is interviewing a guest on a commentary show you could expect questions from that basis, a liberal interviewing a liberal from that basis, a conservative with a conservative from that basis, if it is a hard news interview a balance perspective. As opposed to the other media where there are few conservative interviewers and panels are disporpotionately liberal sometimes not have a conservative side AT ALL.
What true liberals host shows on FoxNews?

And I'm claiming othewise, MSNBC doesn't even try to hide it's bias, it is proud of it, it celebrates it, it relishes in smearing and attacking the conservative side and present that bias'd view as fact. Fox offers both sides, a balance view and you can decide for yourself.
Your claiming of MSNBC bias is no different then others claiming Fox News bias.

It is alone in being balanced.
Opinion not fact.

As far as the firing of the US Attorney, just watched the bias'd misrepresentation of the issue MSNBC and the other networks engage in. If you want to REALLY know the issue watch FOX and get a balanced honest presentation of the facts.
Have any examples of your claim?
 
What true liberals host shows on FoxNews?

You don't watch it?


Your claiming of MSNBC bias is no different then others claiming Fox News bias.

Totally different, I'm right they are wrong. Just watch David Schuster who is put on the air as a "hard news" reporter, his reporting about Rove and the Plame things was totally bias'd and based on really really bad supposition, he ended up looking like a fool.

Opinion not fact.

No more or less than your postings.

Have any examples of your claim?

Every night on Fox News.
 
You don't watch it?
That doesn't answer my question. I'll ask again "What true liberals host shows on FoxNews?"

Totally different, I'm right they are wrong.
Oh well why didn't you just say so? We could have ended this three pages ago.

Just watch David Schuster who is put on the air as a "hard news" reporter, his reporting about Rove and the Plame things was totally bias'd and based on really really bad supposition, he ended up looking like a fool.
Any sources on this? My time machine is currently broken.

No more or less than your postings.
Glad you can recognize that. All postings are our personal opinions on the facts we have access to.

Every night on Fox News.
To back your claim what did MSNBC report that was biased compared tow hat FOXNews reported?
 
Certainly more so than the assertions otherwise :shoot

You aren't honestly going to try and say MSNBC gives anywhere near the balance presentation as FOX.

I think they balance each other. FOX is so off the hook right and MSNBC is so off the hook left they compliment each other. But neither are credible when left to their own devices.

You aren't honestly declaring FOX to be "fair and Balanced" are you? Because that's so rediculous, it isn't even worth pondering. There is no way you can say that with a straight face. No way. :rofl
 
I have been very clear in my statements

I was asking you to back up your statements with some evidence.

For comparative purposes.

No, you're trying to shift the focus. You say "Fox is balanced" and then someone says "No it's not" then you say "Well look at MSNBC!" First, the focus of this discussion is Fox, not MSNBC. Second, you can't prove your claim that "Fox news is balanced" by comparing it to MSNBC; you might be able to prove that it's more balanced than MSNBC, but your original statement was that "Fox news is balanced".

Now, stop trying to shift the focus and back up your assertion that Fox is balanced.
 
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