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Okay, have it your way. Using your logic, "...who the hell are you or anyone else to say that it is RIGHT for an outside power to remove him by force?"

Happy?

Oh, there is just one thing...

It seems we gave our word at first (then made this our Supreme Law through ratification) the following:
That kind of says all you legal pro-war pundits are completly FOS!




Soveriegnty is inescapable and to bad so sad for those poor huddled masses which are oppressed by their genocidal dictator who says without consequence that "I'll do what I want I'll kill, maim, and torture who I wish and there is nothing you can do to stop me because I have soveriegnty over these sheep," well you know what Billo? Fuc/k that, fuc/k you, and fuc/k anyone who thinks that sh!t should fly!!!! It is just to break an unjust law.
 
I really don't understand why you brought up the chemicals but anyway now that we're on the subject I see you're from Western Europe, so you guys sold dual use chemicals to Iraq as well of course all of which were totally legal under international law and had legitimate agricultural applications, however, if you are from either France or Germany you are more guilty than the U.S. in that respect because not only did you sell them legal chemicals, you also gave them assistance into their WMD programs which took those legal and benign chemicals and turned them into illegal and deadly chemical weapons.

Now onto the question of Bush lying which I again don't understand how it has any relevance to the topic at hand, but I'll humor you, all 16 members of the U.S. intelligence Community concluded with and I quote "high confidence" in the 2002 NIE that Saddam both had and was expanding his WMD capabilities and these assertions were backed up by numerous foreign intelligence agencies, not only that but we have infact found 500 Sarin filled binary warheads with indefinate shelf lives in Iraq.

As to the original topic at hand there is nothing ****ing ambigous about the following statement:

[quoteWASHINGTON, Nov. 30, 2006 — U.S. officials say they have found smoking-gun evidence of Iranian support for terrorists in Iraq: brand-new weapons fresh from Iranian factories. According to a senior defense official, coalition forces have recently seized Iranian-made weapons and munitions that bear manufacturing dates in 2006.

Or this one:[/QUOTE]

The exact point here is the hypocrisy. The US sell Iraq weapons for decades after they support the Baath party to power, then all of the sudden they want to invade Iraq because they have WMDs, and then when they find no such since Iraq got rid of that in the last war, they blame everything on Saddam Hussein whom they helped to power, and all of the suddent the reason for the Iraq war was Saddam.

Now, US officials are saying Iran is going into Iraq, but the 16 US intelligence agencies doesnt agree, there is no proof. Isnt this proof enough that the US leadership is willing to lie to help their own cause?

The US have probably seized US weapons in Iraq too or French, that doesnt mean the US is fighting themself or that France is fighting the US in Iraq. They probably in addition found Russian, Chinese and Belgian weapons as well. Which means we are in a world war.
 
Soveriegnty is inescapable and to bad so sad for those poor huddled masses which are oppressed by their genocidal dictator who says without consequence that "I'll do what I want I'll kill, maim, and torture who I wish and there is nothing you can do to stop me because I have soveriegnty over these sheep," well you know what Billo? Fuc/k that, fuc/k you, and fuc/k anyone who thinks that sh!t should fly!!!! It is just to break an unjust law.

Its not an unjust law.. I would love it if China invaded the US and said they had to remove the oppressive propaganda based neo-nazi US leadership(Bush, Chaney, Rice and the rest of PNAC). Lets see what you would have said about the laws then.
 
Or this one:

The exact point here is the hypocrisy. The US sell Iraq weapons for decades after they support the Baath party to power, then all of the sudden they want to invade Iraq because they have WMDs, and then when they find no such since Iraq got rid of that in the last war, they blame everything on Saddam Hussein whom they helped to power, and all of the suddent the reason for the Iraq war was Saddam.

Now, US officials are saying Iran is going into Iraq, but the 16 US intelligence agencies doesnt agree, there is no proof. Isnt this proof enough that the US leadership is willing to lie to help their own cause?

The US have probably seized US weapons in Iraq too or French, that doesnt mean the US is fighting themself or that France is fighting the US in Iraq. They probably in addition found Russian, Chinese and Belgian weapons as well. Which means we are in a world war.


How I do grow tired of you and debaters claims the US sold Iraq all these weapons when in FACT it didn’t. It is however fact Iraq got its main bulk of weapons from Russia and the French.

My question to the both of you is to name the weapons the US sold to Iraq. Also provide the percentage of weapons supplied from all three countries.
 
How I do grow tired of you and debaters claims the US sold Iraq all these weapons when in FACT it didn’t. It is however fact Iraq got its main bulk of weapons from Russia and the French.

My question to the both of you is to name the weapons the US sold to Iraq. Also provide the percentage of weapons supplied from all three countries.

History of Iran: Arming Iraq: A Chronology of U.S. Involvement


I do know that USSR provided the most weapons, then France in a good second, but the US+UK axis of war together provided almost as much as France. INDIRECTLY on the other hand, the US alone most likely are close to France weapons sales to Iraq.

But the thing is, France and the USSR didnt attack Iraq. And I am talking abot the hypocrisy of selling bio weapons etc, and then saying Iraq has them and attack on that ground. Alone selling weapons to Iraq and then attack them is hypocrisy.
 
History of Iran: Arming Iraq: A Chronology of U.S. Involvement


I do know that USSR provided the most weapons, then France in a good second, but the US+UK axis of war together provided almost as much as France. INDIRECTLY on the other hand, the US alone most likely are close to France weapons sales to Iraq.

But the thing is, France and the USSR didnt attack Iraq. And I am talking abot the hypocrisy of selling bio weapons etc, and then saying Iraq has them and attack on that ground. Alone selling weapons to Iraq and then attack them is hypocrisy.


Why would you use the Iranian chamber of commerce as a source?
Can we not see the conflict of interests in this?
Please supply another (unbiased) source along with the amount and type of said weapons.
 
Why would you use the Iranian chamber of commerce as a source?
Can we not see the conflict of interests in this?
Please supply another (unbiased) source along with the amount and type of said weapons.

The Iranian source is just as unbiased as the US sources. Just as credible.
 
History of Iran: Arming Iraq: A Chronology of U.S. Involvement


I do know that USSR provided the most weapons, then France in a good second, but the US+UK axis of war together provided almost as much as France.

Sir that is an out and out lie, the U.S. provided .5% of foreign weapon sales to Iraq between 1973 and 1990 while the Soviets provided 68.9% and France provided 12.7% and the U.K contributed so little arms that it doesn't even rank.

Arms sales to Iraq 1973-1990 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

INDIRECTLY on the other hand, the US alone most likely are close to France weapons sales to Iraq.

This is a baseless assertion with no basis in reality. When you have no argument do you just start making stuff up?
 
The exact point here is the hypocrisy. The US sell Iraq weapons for decades

.5% of foreign weapons sales between 1973 and 1990, not exactly alot of weapons.

after they support the Baath party to power,

We didn't put the Baath party into power.

then all of the sudden they want to invade Iraq because they have WMDs,

And your point? It was a condition of the cease fire agreement in 1991 that Saddam fully disband his programs. We now know that the intelligence analysts were wrong, but big deal would you rather have the closest thing to Hitler in our age back in power?

and then when they find no such since Iraq got rid of that in the last war, they blame everything on Saddam Hussein whom they helped to power,

Where do you come up with this bullshit? We in no way, shape, or form put Saddam into power.

and all of the suddent the reason for the Iraq war was Saddam.

Actually there were numerous reasons given read the AUMF sometime.

Now, US officials are saying Iran is going into Iraq, but the 16 US intelligence agencies doesnt agree, there is no proof.

The Iranian made IED's fresh out of the factory are proof enough.

The US have probably seized US weapons in Iraq too or French, that doesnt mean the US is fighting themself or that France is fighting the US in Iraq. They probably in addition found Russian, Chinese and Belgian weapons as well. Which means we are in a world war.

Huge huge difference, the countries you listed supplied the government of Iraq with weapons, and the Iranians are supplying terrorists in a war against the U.S. and aiding in the murder of U.S. troops.
 
.5% of foreign weapons sales between 1973 and 1990, not exactly alot of weapons.



We didn't put the Baath party into power.



And your point? It was a condition of the cease fire agreement in 1991 that Saddam fully disband his programs. We now know that the intelligence analysts were wrong, but big deal would you rather have the closest thing to Hitler in our age back in power?



Where do you come up with this bullshit? We in no way, shape, or form put Saddam into power.



Actually there were numerous reasons given read the AUMF sometime.



The Iranian made IED's fresh out of the factory are proof enough.



Huge huge difference, the countries you listed supplied the government of Iraq with weapons, and the Iranians are supplying terrorists in a war against the U.S. and aiding in the murder of U.S. troops.

The closest thing to Hitler in todays world is either George W. Bush or the president of Iran, I would say both are pretty close.
 
The closest thing to Hitler in todays world is either George W. Bush or the president of Iran, I would say both are pretty close.

That’s it? Out of all that you picked only "Hitler" to reply to?

What about the so-called mass of weapons you claim the US supplied to Saddam? hmmmm?
 
The closest thing to Hitler in todays world is either George W. Bush or the president of Iran, I would say both are pretty close.

Uh huh, ya because Bush has set about going on genocide campaigns against ethnic minorities in the U.S. right? Because GWB has modeled his government on Nazi Germany and Stalinist Russia right? Give me a ****ing break.
 
Uh huh, ya because Bush has set about going on genocide campaigns against ethnic minorities in the U.S. right? Because GWB has modeled his government on Nazi Germany and Stalinist Russia right? Give me a ****ing break.

Foreign policies then, not at home(yet)
 
Foreign policies then, not at home(yet)

GWB has started rounding up ethnic minorities in foreign countries and put them in concentration camps designed for mass extermination? He has engaged in a blood and soil foreign policy? He is seeking "Lebensraum?" He has attacked Democracies and installed dictatorships beholden to the will of the U.S.?
 
GWB has started rounding up ethnic minorities in foreign countries and put them in concentration camps designed for mass extermination? He has engaged in a blood and soil foreign policy? He is seeking "Lebensraum?" He has attacked Democracies and installed dictatorships beholden to the will of the U.S.?

No, he has installed puppet governments. Yes, camps have been made. Yes, the US single out muslims. Yes, extermination is dont in Bush government warfare.
 
No, he has installed puppet governments. Yes, camps have been made. Yes, the US single out muslims. Yes, extermination is dont in Bush government warfare.

Where are the installed "puppet governments"?
Name them..........
 
All 30%?.......
Millions voted. International election monitors ascertained that the election was fair. I daresay that every purple Iraqi finger thoroughly enjoyed voting freely for the first time in decades. Your exemplar of Iraq is extremely disingenuous and historically incorrect.
 
All 30%?.......

Try again....
Al Jazeera English - Archive
High turnout for Iraq vote
A high voter turnout despite a string of explosions and mortar attacks has marked Iraq's historic general election for the first full-term government since the fall of Saddam Hussein.
The high turnout on Thursday's polls prompted Iraq's election commission to extend voting by an additional hour around the country.

Adel al-Lami, the director-general of the Independent Electoral Commission, said: "We have issued an order to all centres in Iraq to extend the vote by one hour."

With voters lining up in large numbers, polling stations stayed open until 6pm (1500GMT). As voting ended, celebratory gunfire rang out in Baghdad, as much in jubilation as it was in relief for the day having passed off in relative peace.

The decision to extend the voting hours was the clearest indication that there was a large turnout at the country's more than 33,000 polling stations.

High turnout

Hussein Hendawi, the electoral commissioner, said that turnout could have exceeded 10 million voters, or about 67%, well in excess of the 58% recorded on 10 January when Iraqis voted to elect an interim parliament.

In Saddam Hussein's home province around Tikrit, where few voted in January, the provisional turnout was 83%, an official in the local electoral commission said.

In preliminary estimates of turnout, the electoral commission said 80% of the electorate had voted in Salaheddin, 70% in the Shia town of Hilla and Najaf and 60% in Nasiriyah, further south.

Having boycotted the January polls, Sunnis appeared determined to make their voice heard.

In Falluja – the Sunni-dominated town and a hotbed of armed opposition to US-led forces - so great was the turnout compared with the previous vote that polling stations ran out of ballot papers during the day, causing long queues to form.

Entire families walked through the town's car-free streets while children enjoyed their holiday playing football.

The scene was in stark contrast to empty streets last January when the war-ravaged town boycotted elections for the transitional assembly.
 
Millions voted. International election monitors ascertained that the election was fair. I daresay that every purple Iraqi finger thoroughly enjoyed voting freely for the first time in decades. Your exemplar of Iraq is extremely disingenuous and historically incorrect.

Yes it was. Many of people voted for the very first time in their lives...
 
No, he has installed puppet governments.

How is the Democratically elected government of Iraq made up of, by, and for the Iraqi people a puppet government? Infact that would be the opposite of Hitler IE Hitler invaded Democracies and set up Dictatorships, we liberated a Dictatorship and set up a Democracy.

Yes, camps have been made.

Death camps have been made?

Yes, the US single out muslims.

As a matter of fact GWB has stated on numerous occassions that this is not a war against Islam it is a war against Islamic Radicalism.

Yes, extermination is dont in Bush government warfare.

Bush is trying to exterminate Muslims? Where do you come up with this bullshit?
 
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