NY Times Directly Aided The Enemy - Page 3

Deegan · 07-14-06, 11:32 AM

I say again, we told these countries that were helping us, that this would remain a secret, now we look like fools, and many countries will be hesitant to help us in the future. This is crux of the matter, how can we ever expect a country to trust us, when we leak, and they become a target because of that leak. I certainly can't blame them, why put your country in harms way, when we can't keep sensitive relations secret, it's quite discouraging.

Stinger · 07-14-06, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by oldreliable67

My speaking with a terrorist about this wasn't necessary. The CIA and other intel agencies in the west have done that for me - witness the capture of several terrorists as a result of this program. The program's success speaks for itself.

What don't they understand about that? The program WORKED. The attempts to dismiss it they engage in are patently absurd. I bet the terrorists also know we listen into chat rooms, but we don't tell them how or when or where and that just resulted in the capture and foiling of a terrorist plot.

Stinger · 07-14-06, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by hipsterdufus

You two can have fun on this thread.

Some of us are mature enough to know this is not about fun.

Stinger · 07-14-06, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by aps

If you keep saying something over and over again, you will start to believe it.

It didn't work with your "Rove has been indicted" post did it.

The fact is this is something new, the tipping off of a group suspected of supporting terrorist to a search and investigation.

Do you support such actions by reporters and people opposed to our foriegn policy?

Oh that's right you ignore me since you were proven wrong about Rove.

Stinger · 07-14-06, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by jfuh

This is just bull****. The Washington Post, Wallstreet Journal, LA times all posted the same news at the same time in addition to the Nytimes, yet you guys are singling out the NYtimes because of what?

Proving once again he doesn't know what he is talking about. This is a different issue.

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And really, the enemy has NOOOO clue whatsoever that we'd track this bank account would they. That's right, they're too dumb to think of the obvious. Come on ppl, quit bitching about nothing.

And do you think the terrorist might imagine we listen in on chat rooms? Well we just caught a bunch of them that way. So would it be OK if a newspaper published information as to exactly how we do it even after the adminsitration told them it could ruin the program?

Perhaps it's time you learned that these programs are VERY important and VERY critical in keeping YOU safe and put your partisian blinders aside and take a realist view of the world.

aps · 07-14-06, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Calm2Chaos

Yet your more then willing to assume they knew everything, I find that highly improbable

I'm not saying that they knew everything. What I am saying is that SOME knew or must have known we were doing something. Look at this article that the Washington Post published today:

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Watching Finances Of Terror Suspects Discussed in 2002

By Walter Pincus
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, July 14, 2006; Page A04

At a House subcommittee hearing five months after the Sept. 11 attacks, plans were openly discussed to give the government a highly secure, real-time electronic capability to request and receive data from financial institutions about suspected terrorists or terrorist organizations. The approach was closely similar to the effort described in news reports last month, which the Bush administration has said endangered national security.

In February 2002, Jeffrey P. Neubert, president and chief executive of the New York Clearing House Association LLC, described the intelligence-gathering system at a hearing of the House Financial Services subcommittee on oversight and investigations. Neubert said under the proposed system, government agencies would electronically send the names of suspected terrorists or terrorist organization to financial institutions "seeking account and/or transaction 'hits' which would be returned to the respective [government] organizations."

Neubert's New York Clearing House runs the CHIPS payment system, which describes itself as "the leading private-sector payment system infrastructure for clearing and settling U.S. dollar payments." Providing payment services to more than 1,600 financial institutions worldwide, CHIPS handles $1.5 trillion through about 8 million domestic and international transactions each day. Neubert told the subcommittee how a task force of government and financial industry personnel was also focused "on the issue beyond our borders" and proposed to "work globally to remove obstacles to the flow of information" to government entities.

The testimony was one of several examples where government and industry officials have publicly described how counterterrorism agencies access financial records to track terrorists and shut down their funding, leading some lawmakers and counterterrorism specialists to doubt assertions that the most recent revelations have significantly helped al-Qaeda or other terrorists by disclosing valuable new information.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...071301635.html

aquapub · 07-14-06, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by aps

Have you spoken to a terrorist who said, "oldreliable, I had no idea that the United States was doing this"? Somehow I doubt it. Thus, you cannot say that, "[T]hey now know several things that they did not previously know." You don't know that for a fact, although I know it strengthens your argument if you say such.

You don't have to know a terrorist who admits anything to logically deduce that the capture of several key terrorists and a whole host of other accomplishments described by the NYT itself as having directly resulted from the program was working.

And you CAN verify which details the NYT revealed that WERE and WERE NOT public information. I have listed the things the NYT exposed that WEREN'T public knowledge on the thread you are mistaking this one for: Post #31 of "NYT: Guilty Of Treason."

Also, this is not the topic being discussed on this thread.

jfuh · 07-14-06, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Stinger

Proving once again he doesn't know what he is talking about. This is a different issue.

And do you think the terrorist might imagine we listen in on chat rooms? Well we just caught a bunch of them that way. So would it be OK if a newspaper published information as to exactly how we do it even after the adminsitration told them it could ruin the program?

Perhaps it's time you learned that these programs are VERY important and VERY critical in keeping YOU safe and put your partisian blinders aside and take a realist view of the world.

Did they publish exactly how stinger? That's bull**** and you know it.
Funny that you of all ppl talk about partisan blinders - after you being the most apologetic of this adminsitration.

aps · 07-14-06, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by jfuh

Did they publish exactly how stinger? That's bull**** and you know it.
Funny that you of all ppl talk about partisan blinders - after you being the most apologetic of this adminsitration.

I am waiting to see if the NYT attackers have anything to say about the article I posted in post #26. Any takers?

Deegan · 07-14-06, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by aps

I am waiting to see if the NYT attackers have anything to say about the article I posted in post #26. Any takers?

I'll bite, they didn't know we were using SWIFT, they do now, they also now have a new enemy in which to terrorize next!