Thread: Members of media working OWS protesters to help craft message.

Originally Posted by Ockham

Oh come come, you certainly remember Ezra Kleins online email group where media professionals from NBC, CBS, CNN, MSNBC and various other print media were strategizing how to make Republican's look bad in their stories to get Obama elected leading up to the 2008 election.

Here's some reminders:
First from Wiki:
JournoList - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Second - the list of members

JournoList: Is 'call them racists' a liberal media tactic? - CSMonitor.com

Yes, I remember that. The Daily Caller took a few comments made by liberal bloggers and blew them way out of proportion. Ezra Klein's big mistake was using a listserv rather than a local distribution list.

Originally Posted by dontworrybehappy

Well, that's kinda all Pete does. It's easier than actually debating.

I don't think that pointing out the obvious which is done all the time around here by everybody from all walks of politics is necessarily a bad thing. Come on, we all rub things in each other's faces all the time. I know Grim does it a lot but let he without sin...... Besides, his post is not just for all you politically savvy types, maybe some people find the post insightful. The only thing about it is that how are they going to frame the message and not seriously harm Obama?

Originally Posted by What if...?

So it looks like somebody had a basement and the vegas rule was violated.

And this has what to do with Journolist or the OP of this thread?

Originally Posted by What if...?

I suspected that it was cherry picking, and your wiki cite clearly demonstrates that it was.

What... are you talking about? I posted the wiki in response to pbrauer who asked what Journolist was to remind him.

Originally Posted by What if...?

Like that forum post on the OWS site that was posted here as the official position of the group. Exactly like that, from what I can see.

No clue what you're talking about.

Originally Posted by What if...?

I like the "pretty banal" quote from Carlson.

Banal is a tinny word... yes yes.. very tinny. Must try something more woody.

Originally Posted by pbrauer

Yes, I remember that. The Daily Caller took a few comments made by liberal bloggers and blew them way out of proportion. Ezra Klein's big mistake was using a listserv rather than a local distribution list.

My recollection was they posted all of the listserv eventually, not a few comments. But I'm glad it now jogged your memory.

Originally Posted by Ockham

And this has what to do with Journolist or the OP of this thread?


What... are you talking about? I posted the wiki in response to pbrauer who asked what Journolist was to remind him.

No clue what you're talking about.

Banal is a tinny word... yes yes.. very tinny. Must try something more woody.

I can't seem to find the full text of the items quoted against the journolists.

Anybody know where they are?

From looking around, it sounds like a bunch of liberal opinion writers bitching on a private board.

You could make any group on THIS board look bad by picking and choosing posts.

And from what I've been able to gather, none of them held any positions with real news. They all wrote opinion for left publications. Nothing they say is taken seriously by the middle or right, if they are even exposed to it.

It actually sounded worse before I looked it up.

Originally Posted by PeteEU

LOL seriously? where was your outrage when Fox News did it for the Tea Party and other conservative political hacks? Hypocrite.

Link to FOX E mails to tea party please. I won't hold my breath.

Originally Posted by Ockham

My recollection was they posted all of the listserv eventually, not a few comments. But I'm glad it now jogged your memory.

I had meant to highlight this earlier. And frankly, I didn't think cons were still going to be hyperventilating this week over listserv emails.(Remember when media scandals were actually, y'know, interesting?) But since the smelling salts are still out and since cons are still hyperventilating, or more precisely, cons are pretending to hyperventilate, and pretending the emails from the defunct Journolist represents some sort of Moses-like revelation, I thought I'd spoil the fun with some facts.

You'll recall this whole story was started with the inaccurate claim that a cabal of liberal journalists cabal-ed and conspired to "kill" and "bury" the Rev. Jeremiah Wright story during early 2008 when the topic was presenting a problem for candidate Obama. The cabal-ing scribes schemed and "killed" the story. They plotted, via their octopus-like tentacles, to make the story disappear. They constructed a "Wright-free zone." Because that's what dedicated cabal-ists do!

Except that, of course, that's not what happened.

The Wright story broke in mid-March, 2008. And guess what? Between mid-March and the end of the following April, more than 6,000 Wright-and-Obama-related news stories/commentaries appeared in the U.S. press, according to a search of Nexis. That's right, more than 6,000.

For those keeping score at home, there were approximately 5,000 newspaper hits, almost 1,000 television segments, and nearly 250 magazine mentions.

As for the supposedly liberal New York Times and Washington Post, which, of course, would have been on the front lines of any cabal-y effort to "kill" the Wright story, the two Wright-obsessed dailies published just shy of 200 news stories and/or commentaries that mentioned the topic during March and April of 2008.

So, no. Nobody was able to "kill" the Wright story, which means the first claim that sprang from the phony Journolist conspiracy was provably false.

Liberal journalists didn't "kill" the Rev. Wright story -- it was covered more than 6,000 times | Media Matters for America

Obama got a pass on Rev. Wright, since it's impossible to sit in a racist's church 20 years without you, yourself, being a racist.

Originally Posted by Reg

Obama got a pass on Rev. Wright, since it's impossible to sit in a racist's church 20 years without you, yourself, being a racist.

So, you're calling President Obama a racist???

Originally Posted by PeteEU

LOL seriously? where was your outrage when Fox News did it for the Tea Party and other conservative political hacks? Hypocrite.

and I'm sure you were perfectly supportive of FOX news helping craft he message of the Tea Party... and Thunder, Pbrauer, Dem Socialist, and others as well....amirite?


just a little friendly message, if you are going to throw out a hypocrisy charge, make damn sure you are not a hypocrite on the same issue.