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Beck: Occupy Wall Street Is "Only Interested In Destruction," Which "Leads To Gas Cha

But, when Hoffa said, "take those son-of-a-bitches out", you defended him. Wassup with that crap?

It was made very clear by the entire Hoffa speech plus the legion of people who explained it to you in laborious and repeated detail that he was talking about voting and elections.
 
Grim,

Media Matters put this clip of Glenn Beck on their web site, they didn't alter anything and provided no subjective assessment as to what Beck said. Why do you consider this an attack on Glenn Beck? In reality Media Matters is informing people of the crazy foolish things he said. Nothing more.

More to the subject of the protesters on Wall Street: Isn't it possible they don't believe the BS stories about Barney Frank, Chris Dodd, the CRA created the financial meltdown as many on the right do OR do they know it was Wall Street and the Banks that created the mess?

Stop believing your own BS. The banks couldn't have created the mess without Barmey et al and many others in the government. Banks and markets do what they do and it is up to the watchdogs to make sure they don't go too far. Just how many arrests have been made of CEO's and bankers for the mess? Maybe an odd charge here or there but not much. Little of what they did was illegal and most of it greenlighted or set up by your friends in the government. You should be just as incensed and in my opinion even more for our governments part in it. You remind me of someone who is an enabler for some close family member who has an addiction or some other such problem. The enabler blames everyone for their loved one's problem but loved one themself.
 
Guess whos back back back, back again again again, Beck is back back back, tell a friend friend friend...
 
It was made very clear by the entire Hoffa speech plus the legion of people who explained it to you in laborious and repeated detail that he was talking about voting and elections.

You miss the point. It goes back to PBrauer's comment: My common sense tells me his words could be taken by some crazy whack-job who would go into the crowd and shoot.

Obviously, Beck doesn't intend for anyone to shoot anyone else and nor did Hoffa. But, if Beck's comments can be taken by, "some crazy whack-job who would go into the crowd and shoot", then isn't just as logical that Hoffa's comments could too?
 
Grim,

Media Matters put this clip of Glenn Beck on their web site, they didn't alter anything and provided no subjective assessment as to what Beck said. Why do you consider this an attack on Glenn Beck? In reality Media Matters is informing people of the crazy foolish things he said. Nothing more.

More to the subject of the protesters on Wall Street: Isn't it possible they don't believe the BS stories about Barney Frank, Chris Dodd, the CRA created the financial meltdown as many on the right do OR do they know it was Wall Street and the Banks that created the mess?

That still doesn't justify someone breaking the law.
 
Guess whos back back back, back again again again, Beck is back back back, tell a friend friend friend...
If liberal fools wouldnt follow him so closely and keep clinging to his junk, I suspect NO ONE here would know or give a ****. Its pretty scary knowing so many of you folks are sporting wood at the prospect of posting Beck related threads. Ya gots a man crush, son...
 
I believe that anyone that ignores the bank and housing deregulation during the Clinton administration and democrats roles and relationships with the banks and housing market collapse is an ideologue that only sees the world through democrat glasses. :donkeyfla

The simple fact is that both parties are and always have been intertwined with the banks and the markets. Everybody has fleas. And sure...there can be changes. Pretending its a one side or the other problem? That's just more idiotic politics as usual. its what has brought us to this point and it is what feeds their ability to run the country into the ground.
I also believe both sides have been responsible in the past, but only one side is fighting to keep the past mistakes in place.
 
No Pete... That is not an answer to my question.

The question was, does common sense tell you that he misspoke and was talking about how similar uprisings have turned out in the past... Or does common sense tell you that he was saying that is what would happen today if the wall street protesters are successful?
You have used the "he misspoke" defense before, it's getting old. What Beck said it the clip was irresponsible fear mongering, in my opinion




It was a relevant response to the statement I was addressing.
No, it wasn't a relevant response to what was written, you must have misread it.
 
You have used the "he misspoke" defense before, it's getting old. What Beck said it the clip was irresponsible fear mongering, in my opinion

It is no surprise what so ever, that you ignore common sense and opt to let political hatred dictate reality. What a shame.
 
It is no surprise what so ever, that you ignore common sense and opt to let political hatred dictate reality. What a shame.
Why do you care what I say about Glenn Beck, are you in love with him? Here is some advice for you that you apparently misread:

Look how much you had to write to try to defend Beck, Grim17. Just say, "pbrauer, we all know Glenn Beck is a crazy dude but he does not represent any normal individuals opinions so anything he says is moot" and move on. How much easier would your life be if you did not defend him?
 
As I've previously the posted, Media Matters posted the audio of Beck's to inform the public who don't listen to his show, the outrageous things Beck says.

Well, I must ask Pete, if these people cared so little about Beck as to not even watch his program, why the hell would they care what he says on it?
 
Well, I must ask Pete, if these people cared so little about Beck as to not even watch his program, why the hell would they care what he says on it?
Because his feat mongering might cause somebody to go off the deep end, that's why. They are many crazy people out there and some might listen to his radio program. Another Jared Laughner???
 
Because his feat mongering might cause somebody to go off the deep end, that's why. They are many crazy people out there and some might listen to his radio program. Another Jared Laughner???

Say what?

What he did was based of the fact he was crazy, and had nothing what so ever to do with political speech... And if you insist on proclaiming or insinuating that his actions were inspired by political speech, then who inspired him? Since his political views were liberal and he hated Bush and republicans, you think it might have been Randy Rhodes, Ed Shultz, Mike Malloy, or some other liberal talker?

Geez...
 
Because his feat mongering might cause somebody to go off the deep end, that's why. They are many crazy people out there and some might listen to his radio program. Another Jared Laughner???

That's not a logical answer to my question.

The question was, why would someone who does not watch Beck care what he says. You answered that his "feat" mongering might cause someone to go off the deep end. How, exactly, do you propose that would happen if they didn't watch his show in the first place? If they watched his show, they care what he says. If they don't watch it, they don't care, so why would his "feat" mongering cause them to do anything? That doesn't make sense. You're targeting the wrong audience. It would be like telling a bunch of republicans to watch out what Maddow says who don't even watch her. You're preaching to a sleeping choir at that point.
 
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I listened to the clip and his point was spot on. Since they do not offer anything better to replace the current system, they are out to destroy, which if accomplished does lead to totalitarianism, anarchy and bloodshed.

However, Beck saying the destruction sought "leads" to gas chambers and guillotines was a pretty big exaggeration, and although such actions could lead to the deaths of millions, the chances of it happening here are virtually nill. The key word there was "leads", which implies that those things still happen in modern times and therefore are possible outcomes today, which is over the top for sure.

Beck should have said that the accomplishment of such actions "have lead" to gas chambers, guillotines, the death of millions, etc... In that case, we wouldn't be having this discussion in the first place. But since we are discussing this, I have to ask you all, did it ever occur to you that he was in fact talking about history and simply made a grammatical error? Isn't it at least a likely enough possibility, that it deserves consideration?

I realize that the goal of the left and those who don't like Beck, is to: a) discredit his opinions, views and what he stands for, by portraying him as a fear mongerer that lies and deliberately tries to mislead his audience, and to b) stifle his message and discourage people from tuning in to his shows, by claiming that he only appeals to easily manipulated, uneducated people that not only can't think for themselves, but also lack the common sense and intelligence to know they are being brainwashed and duped.

I hate to sound like a broken record, but speaking of common sense, I think grammatic error sounds more logical to me, than believing Beck intentionally listed all those things as possibilities in todays world. He would either have to actually believe those were possible outcomes today in America, and/or believe his audience was stupid and gullible enough, that they would believe him... Both of which I disagree with, especially when it comes to his audience.

My conclusion... I believe he was referring to past historical consequences, not likely consequences today, and simply failed to phrase his statement in the past tense. Now in most instances when someone's words are misspoken, it's inconsequential and a retraction is either optional (for clarity or courtesy purposes), or not necessary at all... In this case however, I believe he definitely needs to acknowledge and correct that mistake on the air... Not for the benefit of the main stream media and far left organizations like Media Matters, because they will continue attacking him either way... It's to maintain his credibility with his audience, just in case a select few took his words liberally.

You know if you use "have lead" as an excuse, you can say literally anything with this argument and it will be true, and you can use this argument to literally justify anything as well.
For example:
Playing online games "have lead" to murders in the past:
Online gamer killed for selling virtual weapon - World - www.smh.com.au

But as you say, changes are virtually nill. However, if Beck is thinking that the changes are virtually nil, why is he wasting air time to talk about something which has an infinately small chance of happening? As in the chance historians in the future will look back at the Wall Street Protests and say "Yes, this is the moment where America moved towards/irreversibly moved/changed into/whatever a Maoist totalitarian regime with gas chambers."
 
Say what?

What he did was based of the fact he was crazy, and had nothing what so ever to do with political speech... And if you insist on proclaiming or insinuating that his actions were inspired by political speech, then who inspired him? Since his political views were liberal and he hated Bush and republicans, you think it might have been Randy Rhodes, Ed Shultz, Mike Malloy, or some other liberal talker?

Geez...
Who is talking about political speech? If you have some talk show host regardless of politics and saying the things Beck said in the clip "Only Interested In Destruction," Which "Leads To Gas Chambers," "Guillotines," "Mao" it could be a fuse that sets off a whack job. Beck has the right to say these thing, but in my view they're irresponsible comments.
 
Glenn may not be 100% right in his depiction of what is coming, but he's right when he says if these idiots get their way it will lead to violence and death.

These fools want a Democracy and they always fail and seldom end peacefully.
 
I also believe both sides have been responsible in the past, but only one side is fighting to keep the past mistakes in place.
Really? And which side would that be? And please...do elaborate on the efforts the side you are fond of to make positive and effective change.
 
Because his feat mongering might cause somebody to go off the deep end, that's why. They are many crazy people out there and some might listen to his radio program. Another Jared Laughner???
Gasp...there are MORE twisted democrats out there ready to go on shooting rampages??? SOmeone better tell Ed Shultz and Keith Olbermann to shut the **** up already...
 
Gasp...there are MORE twisted democrats out there ready to go on shooting rampages??? SOmeone better tell Ed Shultz and Keith Olbermann to shut the **** up already...

Right, because the Dems are obsessed with guns, all things paramilitary, and Dirty Harry...:roll::roll:

What an icredible insight into things which define the parties...

And I supposed you the see the GOP as the pro-Gay rights, environmental nuts...
 
Right, because the Dems are obsessed with guns, all things paramilitary, and Dirty Harry...:roll::roll:

What an icredible insight into things which define the parties...

And I supposed you the see the GOP as the pro-Gay rights, environmental nuts...
Im sorry...your boy there DIDNT just bring up the crazed liberal Arizona shooter?
 
.. that "creative destruction" is right and proper....and that protesting wall street out of frustration with no clear agenda is rather silly and self destructive..

... I just love Jeopardy: "What was the Tea Party?"

Now, American Political Movements for $50
 
Glenn may not be 100% right in his depiction of what is coming, but he's right when he says if these idiots get their way it will lead to violence and death.

These fools want a Democracy and they always fail and seldom end peacefully.

Seriously what the **** are you talking about?
 
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