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Olbermann Suspended

You disagree. Fine. I gave you reasons why your use of the term IGNORANT was the same as name calling. You respond my calling me a mod. you just don't quit do you?

In point of fact, two people can sit on the US Supreme Court and disagree about rights, their meaning, their scope and other factors about them. That disagreement does not make either one IGNORANT. it simply means they have ideological differences which manifest themselves in how they see the issue of rights and how they are applied in a specific situation.
 
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So the rules only apply to those at the bottom of the ladder and not those at the top of the ladder? Or is this part of the Golden Rule? You know the one - "he who has the gold makes the rules". Or don't you believe in the rule of all applying to all?
 
Do you need to get your eyes checked, Grim?

Post 63 does not answer my question.

Putting that aside, the two of you are claiming that the right should defend Olbermann the way we defended (liberal journalist) Juan Williams, and the fact is they are two different issues. Williams did not violate his contract or NPR's standards of ethics, while Keith Olbermann did.

Juan Williams worked for NPR for 10 years, and Fox for 13. The opinions and feelings he expressed of a political nature on Fox were condoned by NPR management up until the day they fired him. Even it was in his contract, and was a violation of NPR ethics, they did not enforce those standards for 10 years. That's what's called "implied consent", which means that NPR in effect had legally stricken that clause from his contract by condoning his political expressions and opinions over the years. What also contributes to that, is the fact that there are several other journalists from NPR who work under the same standards as Williams, who have not only been expressing their personal political opinions and feelings longer than he has, but continue to do so today without repercussion.

Williams was shafted because he worked for Fox News, not because he violated his contract or violated ethical standards... so a case could be made that he was fired for exercising his right to free speech. It's my opinion though, that Olbermann's suspension likely had nothing to do with contributing to political campaigns, but never the less, NBC had every legal right to suspend him because he did violate his agreement with them... Therefore you won't see anyone jumping to his defense as long as what was reported is factual.

That's why so many people nationwide jumped to Williams's defense, but very few will back Olbermann.
 
I find the terms of Olbermann's contract to be unethical, but there was nothing forcing him to sign it.
 
Grim - that was not how NPR saw it. They claimed both contract language and their own ethics standards as reasons. But if he did not violate anything I look forward to his lawsuit where he is vindicated.

That's why so many people nationwide jumped to Williams's defense, but very few will back Olbermann.

NO - conservatives are happy to throw another piece of firewood onto the pyre burning KO because he is the most vocal enemy of the right wing found anywhere on the dial. Its all a matter of whose ox is being gored. Since it is their sword enemies, they are happy and overjoyed and we saw that right here when we compared the two threads with quotes from people no less that you.
 
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If you believe this B.S. you still think Obama is smarter than a fifth grader.

Olbermann if actually is not getting paid it will be for poor ratings because he's a damn fool and not because of anything else.

Olbermann and his gay pal Matthews have always done nothing but follow orders of the network and bash anyone who is not and Obama worshiper.

Hell they keep Matthews on the air and he came out of the closet live on the air.

I wonder how his cover wife took the news, or has she known he was gay all along. I mean he did talk about Howard Deans arms before.

This is a bogus story, and Olbermann will be back unless they can get someone else who will get better ratings.


Your statements are child-like and foolish. Youre not sounding like a good American. :thumbdown
 
Grim - that was not how NPR saw it. They claimed both contract language and their own ethics standards as reasons.

Yes they did, but as I already explained, never enforcing those standards (which have existed for their entire history) on him, or any of the other journalists who are under the same guidelines as Williams, constitutes "implied consent" on their part. NPR can not legally enforce rules or contract terms that they have willingly chose not to enforce in the past... nor can they enforce them on Williams, while choosing not to enforce them on the others employed under the same standards.

What NPR did was total BS and the American public, liberals and conservatives alike, saw right through it.
 
Post 63 does not answer my question.

Putting that aside, the two of you are claiming that the right should defend Olbermann the way we defended (liberal journalist) Juan Williams, and the fact is they are two different issues. Williams did not violate his contract or NPR's standards of ethics, while Keith Olbermann did.

Juan Williams worked for NPR for 10 years, and Fox for 13. The opinions and feelings he expressed of a political nature on Fox were condoned by NPR management up until the day they fired him. Even it was in his contract, and was a violation of NPR ethics, they did not enforce those standards for 10 years. That's what's called "implied consent", which means that NPR in effect had legally stricken that clause from his contract by condoning his political expressions and opinions over the years. What also contributes to that, is the fact that there are several other journalists from NPR who work under the same standards as Williams, who have not only been expressing their personal political opinions and feelings longer than he has, but continue to do so today without repercussion.

Williams was shafted because he worked for Fox News, not because he violated his contract or violated ethical standards... so a case could be made that he was fired for exercising his right to free speech. It's my opinion though, that Olbermann's suspension likely had nothing to do with contributing to political campaigns, but never the less, NBC had every legal right to suspend him because he did violate his agreement with them... Therefore you won't see anyone jumping to his defense as long as what was reported is factual.

That's why so many people nationwide jumped to Williams's defense, but very few will back Olbermann.

Do you seriously believe Williams was denied his free speech under the First Amendment? NPR had the right to fire him and MSNBC has a right to suspend Keith Olbermann as well. I don't see the the two situations as the same. Williams was destroying NPR's brand, so his comments were the final straw so they dumped him. But he got a huge contract at Fox, so I wouldn't say he was screwed as you say. I think it wrong for NBC to restrict their employees donating to political campaigns. Do they also say they can't vote as well?

If Williams were on CNN rather than Fox, you wouldn't have given a rats ass what happened to him. Did you come to Rick Sanchez defence when they fired him for his comments. I suspect not.

And you thinking as why Olbermann was suspended means absolutely NOTHING to me so I dismiss them out of hand.
 
Yes they did, but as I already explained, never enforcing those standards (which have existed for their entire history) on him, or any of the other journalists who are under the same guidelines as Williams, constitutes "implied consent" on their part. NPR can not legally enforce rules or contract terms that they have willingly chose not to enforce in the past... nor can they enforce them on Williams, while choosing not to enforce them on the others employed under the same standards.

What NPR did was total BS and the American public, liberals and conservatives alike, saw right through it.

According to Grim. :lamo:lamo
 
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looking forward to joining the boycott.
 
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The question here is not the contributions the networks make, it's about the terms of employment that Keith Olbermann agreed to in his contract with NBC, and subsequently violated.

Nice try at changing the topic though.

The topic wasn't changed. The discussion evolved a bit. And my comment was very relevant to a major part of the topic of discussion, donations made by political commentators. These discussions do tend to veer a bit here and there. Is there anything wrong with my comment? Is it not relevant in your mind? Your comment reminds me of the of the people who are bashing Obama over pulling troops out of Iraq. When someone else decides to interject information about Bush's involvement in that situation and why it's such a sticky wicket they say "Bush has been gone for two years man, stick to the topic." ????
 
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Good riddence K.O.! Take Maddow with you! On your way outta town stop by FAUXNews pick up Bill and Sean. Then go drive your car off a cliff.

I personally believe these two networks and the aforementioned pundits shoulder a LOT of the responsibility for dividing the nation by playing upon the weaker minds for the almighty dollar. All at the expense of our nation. They should be tried and convicted.

Gotta love free speech I suppose. But I somewhat detest the ignoramouses that tend swallow their swill. It wouldn't bother me too much except their vote counts just as much as an informed person's does. And here we are. Stuck in a ditch. Again.
 
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Apparently Joe Scarborough had made a number of contributions to, and public appearances on behalf of Republicans without a peep from MSNBC. So much for the "liberal network" theory.
 
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Olbermann should be able to contribute to whomever he wishes. I dont like him much though. Maddow at least researches things. Anyhow I do not see how his contributions to the Dems would invalidate him in his job.
 
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Olbermann should be able to contribute to whomever he wishes. I dont like him much though. Maddow at least researches things. Anyhow I do not see how his contributions to the Dems would invalidate him in his job.

I'll give ya that. Maddow is hard to rebut. Her facts are facts. But she only presents the facts that show the right in a bad light and ignores the facts that do the same to the left. That makes her biased in my book. But, at least, what she says is the truth unlike her counterparts that open their mouth and stick in their feet almost on a daily basis. I would have much more respect for her if her presentation wasn't so mocking and snarky towards people of the rightwing persuasion. I have many friends who are right wing. She offends them in her condenscending manners (or lack thereof.) The same could be said for my leftwing friends and the pundits over at Faux. Only difference is, when Maddow gigs someone, it's valid. When Bill or Sean does it, it's usually based on slanted B.S rather than researched fact. Regardless, they all are doing a disservice to the American people in my opinion.
 
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Bathtub Boy's not going anywhere... I don't think anything less than slitting the throat of a Conservative live on the air would get them fired.
 
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Why anyone would want to work for a company that restricts their political rights in this manner is beyond me.

What should he have done? Went to work at Fox? :rofl

I thought, today, about how totally friggin' hillarious it would be if Olberman did go to work for Fox.

I can't stand Olberman, but I think he got shafted and I'll bet there's more to this than him making a few political donations.
 
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Bathtub Boy's not going anywhere... I don't think anything less than slitting the throat of a Conservative live on the air would get them fired.

Right on Ock.

I mean, I get it. After all, it is America. We are all given the tools to make our own success here in this country. The media has been given the right to free speech. Many have fought and died to protect such freedom. As Americans, Olbermann, O'Reilly, Hannity, Limbaugh, et al., have every right to attempt to prosper within the laws and regulations of our system. I understand that.

It's like a double edged sword, this thing we call American freedom.

Since the advent of cable news channels and 24/7 news cycles, the competition has become fierce amongst the many players in the media industry. Each have to out-do the others and constantly re-invent themselves as the bar of attrocity becomes higher and higher. For a while I thought Glen Beck's eyes were going to bulge out. I'm still waiting for that vein in Maddow's neck to blow a gasket. The absurd things Limbaugh, Hannity say. Just to name a few.

To the level headed masses, MSNBC/FOXNews, <fill in your favorite TV station or political website here> it is recognized to be for what it is. Entertainment. But to the challenged masses, it might as well be the gospel. Sometimes it seems as if it soaks into their tiny brains. It washes their thought patterns and steals their ability to think freely. And that is shaping our country into a tower of babble where "up" to one person is "down" to another. The further the divide, the higher the rating. The higher the rating, the bigger the paycheck. Like I said, I get it.

When the sensible GOP party I have long belonged to became saturated with these louder FAUXNews type sheeple, and battempted to become the world's moral police, it left me in it's wake. I was too embarassed to call myself republican and to smart to call myself a democrat.

That Tea Party idea, when I first heard of it, I thought was a FABULOUS idea. Then the usual suspects came out of the woodwork and hijacked it (much as they hijacked the GOP during the Newt/Rove/Wingnut years and redefined the term "conservative.") Along comes Palin (the very person who cost my support for McCain) and became Miss Tea party and there went my dream of a party of the people, leaning anti-status-quo (both democrat AND republican) against professional politicians.

Then I thought, this could be a good thing. It seperates the wheat from the chaff. Perhaps the Tea Party could draw away the wingnuts that I felt was giving the GOP an undeserving bad name. But, lo and behold, beside the Tea Party candidates name on the ballots, more times than not, had an "R" beside it.


Sorry for my non-directional rant. I guess the point I'm trying to make is we are being scttered like dead leaves in the wind all in the name of ratings and mind-control. Sometimes I long for the days of 3 channels when the news was the news. No more, no less. Didn't matter what channel you watched. It was the same. No spin. No propaganda. No B.S. Just news. Boring, bland, news.



I have resigned myself to focus more on fishing. This politics thing is a dog chasing it's tail. I'm thinking what if the dog DID catch his tail? Then what?

Thus my rare appearance these days.
 
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What does the mans sexual orientation have to do with his political leanings? Can't you separate the two?

It's a stupid remark, besides have you ever seen Matthews' wife?

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I can't stand Olberman, but I think he got shafted and I'll bet there's more to this than him making a few political donations.

I agree with this.
 
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Olbermann is no more partisan than Hannity or Beck. Fox blatantly campaigns for their candidates of choice, just like MSNBC. Olbermann simply failed to funnel his money through a third party. Please don't pretend Fox doesn't contribute to their candidates campaigns at least indirectly.

Fox partisan? Say it isn't so.



The following Fox Newsers have offered support for Republican candidates or organizations during the 2010 election cycle:
 
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I agree with this.
Yeah and you agreed with phony details about President Obama's trip to India as well. :mrgreen:
 
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Yeah and you agreed with phony details about President Obama's trip to India as well. :mrgreen:

There's one born every minute. What ya gonna do? :lol:
 
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No big loss, no one watches MSNBC anyhow........
 
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