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I do not expect Muslim Americans to denounce the attacks *more* than other Americans, but I would be much more comfortable with them if they would denounce the groups and the philosophy that support the attacks. Rauf refuses to do this, and that makes him - and his proposed mosque - suspect in my view.

Meanwhile we have a Nigerian who tried to blow up an airplane coming in to Detroit, a Pakistani who tried to set off a car bomb in Times Square, and an educated nut case of Palestinian descent on a rampage in Ft Hood. What is it about Muslim religion or culture that produces these homicidal maniacs?

The police are still looking for a Texas cab driver who shot his two teenage daughters in an apparent "honor killing" - they had apparently dated "infidels" in their high school. The 911 call from the 15-year old as she was being killed is very difficult to listen to, especially for those of us who love our children. The cabbie promptly disappeared, and the suspicion is that he is being hidden by friends and/or relatives somewhere along the east coast. Is it really irrational for the rest of us to suspect all Muslims until such time as they individually demonstrate that they oppose this behavior?

I have no problem with Islam as a religion, but I have a serious problem with those who defile the religion by insisting that it must include barbaric tribal customs that have no place in our civil society.

Diogenes said:

I do not expect Muslim Americans to denounce the attacks *more* than other Americans, but I would be much more comfortable with them if they would denounce the groups and the philosophy that support the attacks. Rauf refuses to do this, and that makes him - and his proposed mosque - suspect in my view.

Meanwhile we have a Nigerian who tried to blow up an airplane coming in to Detroit, a Pakistani who tried to set off a car bomb in Times Square, and an educated nut case of Palestinian descent on a rampage in Ft Hood. What is it about Muslim religion or culture that produces these homicidal maniacs?

The police are still looking for a Texas cab driver who shot his two teenage daughters in an apparent "honor killing" - they had apparently dated "infidels" in their high school. The 911 call from the 15-year old as she was being killed is very difficult to listen to, especially for those of us who love our children. The cabbie promptly disappeared, and the suspicion is that he is being hidden by friends and/or relatives somewhere along the east coast. Is it really irrational for the rest of us to suspect all Muslims until such time as they individually demonstrate that they oppose this behavior?

I have no problem with Islam as a religion, but I have a serious problem with those who defile the religion by insisting that it must include barbaric tribal customs that have no place in our civil society.

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The problem is that Most will not fully denounce such things. They either qualify their criticism(s) or shift attention to misbehavior by others. Western Progressives actually do roughly the same thing equating possible AQ cells existing within the US to occasional violence by Looney Right to Lifers or the Mormon sub groups that have long seperated from the Main Church.

Just pointing out:

Glenn Beck, Imam Rauf Both Denounced Radical Islam In 2006 (VIDEO)

Glenn Beck, Imam Rauf Both Denounced Radical Islam In 2006 (VIDEO)

He consistently denounces violence. Some of his views on the interplay between terrorism and American foreign policy — or his search for commonalities between Islamic law and this country’s Constitution — have proved jarring to some American ears, but still place him as pro-American within the Muslim world. He devotes himself to befriending Christians and Jews — so much, some Muslim Americans say, that he has lost touch with their own concerns.

“To stereotype him as an extremist is just nuts,” said the Very Rev. James P. Morton, of the Church of St. John the Divine, in Manhattan, who has known the family for decades.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/22/nyregion/22imam.html?pagewanted=all

Diogenes said:

I do not expect Muslim Americans to denounce the attacks *more* than other Americans, but I would be much more comfortable with them if they would denounce the groups and the philosophy that support the attacks. Rauf refuses to do this, and that makes him - and his proposed mosque - suspect in my view.

Meanwhile we have a Nigerian who tried to blow up an airplane coming in to Detroit, a Pakistani who tried to set off a car bomb in Times Square, and an educated nut case of Palestinian descent on a rampage in Ft Hood. What is it about Muslim religion or culture that produces these homicidal maniacs?

The police are still looking for a Texas cab driver who shot his two teenage daughters in an apparent "honor killing" - they had apparently dated "infidels" in their high school. The 911 call from the 15-year old as she was being killed is very difficult to listen to, especially for those of us who love our children. The cabbie promptly disappeared, and the suspicion is that he is being hidden by friends and/or relatives somewhere along the east coast. Is it really irrational for the rest of us to suspect all Muslims until such time as they individually demonstrate that they oppose this behavior?

I have no problem with Islam as a religion, but I have a serious problem with those who defile the religion by insisting that it must include barbaric tribal customs that have no place in our civil society.

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Is it really irrational for the rest of us to suspect all Muslims until such time as they individually demonstrate that they oppose this behavior?

If you suspect all Muslims are terrorists and are your enemies before they are your friends against terror, then there is a problem. I recently read the Muslim population is 7 million in USA. This site says it's between 5-8 mill, so that is a lot of Muslim people considering how rare those occurrences of honor killings are in America.
Muslim Population In The USA

The largest segment of Muslims are Arabs, and the Middle Eastern Muslims seem to be the focus of the all the bad attention.. Radicalism is more of a problem in the the Middle East, for reasons that are perplexing but deserve more attention and study than they get.. or at least for. When I have time, I will try to learn more in this area.

I remember when those girls were killed, and I remember that times square attempt... and my reaction and my family's was the same to 9/11. Those girls dying was especially horrible, they were so intelligent and beautiful.. had so much going for them. For my dad and every other Muslim I know, there was no feeling of a religious connection to that father, there was no understanding at all.. It was condemned as it was in Christian, Jewish, and atheist households.

The religious teachings of those Muslims and others are not the same.

Who are the moderate Muslims? Muslims think they know and they have opinions. As somebody as else pointed out,Wahhabist teachings have a lot of influence on the radicals and terrorists.. the extreme segments. It's pretty much based in Saudia Arabia. I should know more about the specifics and it's reach, but the hijackers were from Saudi Arabia and the Wahhabist movement started in Saudi Arabia. Saudi Arabia has some old teachings in schools still being indoctrinated and taught to children.. The practice is shunned by other Muslims, and Wahhabist consider those Muslims some form of infidels.

I know there are orgs and leaders strongly opposed to the tradition, but there is a lot of politics and dogma holding back reforming the entanglement of Saudi Arabian government, education, and the favoritism of Wahhabism.

Some organizations and leaders even say the Wahhabist are heretics because of some teachings. Off the top of my head: Wahhabist say to not be part of the disbelievers.. and that goes against teachings of Mohammad. He said Jews and Christians are friends and people of the book. Wahhabist even go aginst fellow Muslims.. they are all infidels. The language of infidels and the religious superiority comes out of Wahhabism IMO, and it also goes against the teachings of Mohammad and the Quran..

The Imam is against Wahhabism and those views.. He supports innerfaith community building (extremely against Wahhabism), and so does his wife. The radicals and terrorists hate that..

Imam's ideology is even directly in conflict with Wahhabism, because he follows Sufism. They have been in conflict since the beginning..

Imam Abdul Rauf's Critics Don't Understand Islam - Newsweek

Concerning Hamas.. this is from his website

Hamas is both a political movement and a terrorist organization. When Hamas commits atrocious acts of terror, those actions should be condemned. Imam Feisal has forcefully and consistently condemned all forms of terrorism, including those committed by Hamas, as un-Islamic.

In his 2004 book, he even went so far as to include a copy of the Fatwa issued after 9/11 by the most respected clerics of Egypt defining the 9/11 attack as an un-Islamic act of terror and giving permission to Muslims in the U.S. armed forces to fight against those Muslims who committed this act of terror. Imam Feisal included this in his book to prove that terrorism must be fought even if Muslims have to fight fellow Muslims to stop it.


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Has he condemned terrorism?

Here are his words from his 2004 book, What’s Right with Islam is What’s Right with America: “The truth is that killing innocent people is always wrong – and no argument or excuse, no matter how deeply believed, can ever make it right. No religion on earth condones the killing of innocent people; no faith tradition tolerates the random killing of our brothers and sisters on this earth. God does not want us to kill each other.”

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Frequently Asked Questions | Cordoba

SheWolf said:

Nobody wants to talk about reaching out the to Muslim community here I guess... If Fox news had an opinion, I bet more of you would have an opinion too.

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Just a quick question, because I honestly don't know the answer...

Will Non-Muslims in need of community outreach be able to eat and sleep in the mosque?

SheWolf said:

Who are the moderate Muslims?

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That's the problem in a nutshell, along with the question of defining "moderate." How are us outsiders supposed to tell the difference between the religious Muslims who pose no threat to us or anyone else, and the malevolent psychopaths who kill at random to promote a political Islam which has no place in a civilized world?

Diogenes said:

That's the problem in a nutshell, along with the question of defining "moderate." How are us outsiders supposed to tell the difference between the religious Muslims who pose no threat to us or anyone else, and the malevolent psychopaths who kill at random to promote a political Islam which has no place in a civilized world?

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To be fair, how do you tell the nice guy down the street from the psychopath next door who wants nothing more then to exsanguinate you, eat your innards and wear you like a skin suit while dancing around to Katy Perry's "Teenage Dream?

Thinking like that will just make you terrified to ever go outside again.

theangryamerican said:

To be fair, how do you tell the nice guy down the street from the psychopath next door who wants nothing more then to exsanguinate you, eat your innards and wear you like a skin suit while dancing around to Katy Perry's "Teenage Dream?

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On the other hand, it's not really fair to compare an Islamic homicidal maniac with a psychopath like Tim McVeigh or the nut case you describe. Consider:

1) About a dozen years ago, I watched Christiane Amanpour interview a young (19 or 20) Palestinian man on CNN. His little sister had been raped by his best friend and sullied the family honor. Therefore he regretfully set out to remove the stain by killing -- his little sister!!! He, and apparently his society, thought this was the right thing to do.

2) A couple of years ago in Nigeria, a rape victim was convicted of adultery and sentenced to death by stoning. The local Sharia court invoked the "mercy of Allah" and deferred the sentence until the resulting child turned two, and was presumably weaned. Fortunately, the sentence drew such a firestorm of criticism that an international group was able to get the woman out of the country.

3) A few years ago a teenage boy in Pakistan was behaving in a manner which the village elders disapproved. They convened a court of sorts, and decided that the appropriate response was to gang rape the kid's thirteen year old sister.

4) It has only been a few weeks since the story of a husband who accused his wife of infidelity, and was given permission by the Taliban government to cut off her nose and ear. Which he did. The photograph is horrendous.

These are not the actions of individual psychopaths. They are the contemptible actions of an institutionalized cultural pathology that occurs *only* in Islamic areas and is, in fact, quite common there. And within the context of that pathology, it is not so surprising that we see spillover like the 9/11 hijackers, the Detroit bomber, the Times Square bomber, and the Ft. Hood shooter - none of whom can be dismissed as individual and isolated psychopaths in the same class as Tim McVeigh or an abortion clinic bomber.

Islam was once a great religion and perhaps it can become so again, but it must first be willing to clean it's own house of the cultural cesspool which has accumulated over the last few centuries, and which gives the whole religion a bad odor. It is not enough to cluck the tongue softly and shake the head sadly after each terrorist attack; there must be an aggressive and complete repudiation of the culture and philosophy which motivate and validate the atrocities. We can revisit your analogy after that reformation has occurred, but until then profiling remains a reasonable response.

See also NPR Ends Williams' Contract After Muslim Remarks. Even someone as liberal as Juan Williams sees the sense of profiling, even if saying so cost him his job.

Diogenes said:

See also NPR Ends Williams' Contract After Muslim Remarks. Even someone as liberal as Juan Williams sees the sense of profiling, even if saying so cost him his job.

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Just because someone else is wrong (you know the two wrongs don't make thing) doesn't mean O'Rielly's right.

Mellie said:

I think we ALL know that it wasn't ALL Muslims that killed Americans on 9/11. We ALL know it was extremists. Whoopi and Joy just wanted to create a scene. Barbara Walters was right.

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Barbwa is a professional, unlike the others.

Diogenes said:

That's the problem in a nutshell, along with the question of defining "moderate." How are us outsiders supposed to tell the difference between the religious Muslims who pose no threat to us or anyone else, and the malevolent psychopaths who kill at random to promote a political Islam which has no place in a civilized world?

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If as an outsider you can't tell who the psychopaths are, then it might be as simple as stop being an outsider. Learn more about the Muslim people you know. The times square bomber and the hijackers were described as having odd and strange behavior. It's not difficult to tell if somebody is sexist given situations and context. It isn't hard to pick up on somebody's language if they hate America or are open to other religious views.

If a women doesn't wear a burka, she isn't following strict Islam.. If a Muslim man isn't forcing his wife to cover herself, like the Imam, then he isn't a radical. Turkish people are some of the most moderates in the Islam world because of the history with Europe and because of the famous leader Atatürk. Turkey might be a member of the EU soon, and is aligned with Europe in many ways.. Turkish people helped rebuild Europe and Germany after WWII.. America supplied the funds with the Marshall Act, and the Turks supplied the man power.

Diogenes said:

That's the problem in a nutshell, along with the question of defining "moderate." How are us outsiders supposed to tell the difference between the religious Muslims who pose no threat to us or anyone else, and the malevolent psychopaths who kill at random to promote a political Islam which has no place in a civilized world?

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especially given that the ones we are told are the 'moderates' all seem to want to impose shariah law?

you know, moderates like this guy

Anwar Al-Awlaki who is on the CIA's kill or capture list for his involvement in the Fort Hood Shootings, the Attempted Christmas Day Bombing, and the Times Square plot was invited to have lunch and give a presentation at the Pentagon just months after 9/11. FOX News reports the infuriating details:

According to the documents, obtained as part of an ongoing investigation by the specials unit "Fox News Reporting," there was a push within the Defense Department to reach out to the Muslim community.

"At that period in time, the secretary of the Army (redacted) was eager to have a presentation from a moderate Muslim." In addition, Awlaki "was considered to be an 'up and coming' member of the Islamic community. After her vetting, Aulaqi (Awlaki) was invited to and attended a luncheon at the Pentagon in the secretary of the Army's Office of Government Counsel."

CP, that scare tactic just doesn't hold up. Simply being muslim doesn't make any one a terrorist. Anyone can find a place where something has gone wrong. Pick any large group and within it you will find those who go bat crazy. But that doesn't mark the group. The KKK doesn't represent Christians, even though we sometimes accept them unknowlingly in places we shouldn't.

Boo Radley said:

CP, that scare tactic just doesn't hold up. Simply being muslim doesn't make any one a terrorist. Anyone can find a place where something has gone wrong. Pick any large group and within it you will find those who go bat crazy. But that doesn't mark the group. The KKK doesn't represent Christians, even though we sometimes accept them unknowlingly in places we shouldn't.

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I know.. it's like you can't win.. ever. If you say you're moderate, you could still bomb NYC.. don't trust any Muslim ever, they can suddenly change teams.

If this is all Muslims are going to get in return for being moderate and decrying terrorism.. then I say build the Mosque. Don't even listen to these people.. they won't listen to you. The Muslim community knows who their American friends are.

Boo Radley said:

CP, that scare tactic just doesn't hold up. Simply being muslim doesn't make any one a terrorist.

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boo, that strawman doesn't hold up; no one has claimed that it does.

Anyone can find a place where something has gone wrong. Pick any large group and within it you will find those who go bat crazy. But that doesn't mark the group. The KKK doesn't represent Christians, even though we sometimes accept them unknowlingly in places we shouldn't.

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I would like to see similar numbers among Christians of support for the KKK?

SheWolf said:

I know.. it's like you can't win.. ever. If you say you're moderate, you could still bomb NYC.. don't trust any Muslim ever, they can suddenly change teams.

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not at all; it's just that we in the West keep confusing Muslims for Westerners, when we aren't respecting that faith as an actual worldview that is believed by people who have individual choices; which is paternalistic at best.

If this is all Muslims are going to get in return for being moderate and decrying terrorism.. then I say build the Mosque.

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decrying terrorism... remind me, how is alternately blaming America, blaming the Jews, and refusing to decry terrorist groups such as Hamas 'decrying terrorism', again?

Don't even listen to these people.. they won't listen to you. The Muslim community knows who their American friends the good Dhimmis are.

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fixed it for you.

SheWolf said:

If a women doesn't wear a burka, she isn't following strict Islam.. If a Muslim man isn't forcing his wife to cover herself, like the Imam, then he isn't a radical. Turkish people are some of the most moderates in the Islam world because of the history with Europe and because of the famous leader Atatürk. Turkey might be a member of the EU soon, and is aligned with Europe in many ways.. Turkish people helped rebuild Europe and Germany after WWII.. America supplied the funds with the Marshall Act, and the Turks supplied the man power.

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Disagreed with your first statement. I have some Kurdish friends, refugees from the time of Saddam, who tell me that, according to the Koran, wearing the burka is the woman's choice. The mandatory burka is part of the cultural sewage of Sharia that has done so much to damage Islam in the eyes of the civilized world.

Agreed that Ataturk was a great leader. For several months back in the sixties I had a co-worker who had emigrated from Turkey, and I came to regard him as a good friend. He was born in 1920; his parents had lived all their lives under the Ottomans, he grew up under Ataturk and never felt like there was any mutual understanding between himself and his parents. After a full career in the Turkish air force, he brought his family to the US and now his teenage children were growing up as Americans and he didn't understand them either. He was probably more isolated from his heritage and his progeny than any other person I've ever met, but he taught me a great deal about Ataturk and left me with a lot of respect for the society that Ataturk created. It pains me to see Ataturk's secular society backsliding into Islamism over the last few years, and I hope the Turkish people will be able to resist sliding into the radical cesspool.

Turkey was a valued NATO ally for a lot of years during the Cold War and I would be happy to see the country have closer ties with the West, but if the Turks continue their flirtation with Islamism they will only alienate the civilized world.

cpwill said:

not at all; it's just that we in the West keep confusing Muslims for Westerners, when we aren't respecting that faith as an actual worldview that is believed by people who have individual choices; which is paternalistic at best.



decrying terrorism... remind me, how is alternately blaming America, blaming the Jews, and refusing to decry terrorist groups such as Hamas 'decrying terrorism', again?



fixed it for you.

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As I talk to you, it becomes more and more clear that you are afraid and don't trust Muslim people.. How do you even claim to know and interact with so many Muslim people? I think you probably served in one of the wars in the Middle East and only have had negative experiences with them.. with them being your enemies only and feeling disrespected personally.

I have friends in the wars. I have heard stories of the people lying to the soldiers about America being great, Saddam bad.. then disrespecting the troops and refusing to let their children drink the water soldiers offer.

It must have been hard fighting in and supporting a war for people you grew to hate.

Diogenes said:

Disagreed with your first statement. I have some Kurdish friends, refugees from the time of Saddam, who tell me that, according to the Koran, wearing the burka is the woman's choice. The mandatory burka is part of the cultural sewage of Sharia that has done so much to damage Islam in the eyes of the civilized world.

Agreed that Ataturk was a great leader. For several months back in the sixties I had a co-worker who had emigrated from Turkey, and I came to regard him as a good friend. He was born in 1920; his parents had lived all their lives under the Ottomans, he grew up under Ataturk and never felt like there was any mutual understanding between himself and his parents. After a full career in the Turkish air force, he brought his family to the US and now his teenage children were growing up as Americans and he didn't understand them either. He was probably more isolated from his heritage and his progeny than any other person I've ever met, but he taught me a great deal about Ataturk and left me with a lot of respect for the society that Ataturk created. It pains me to see Ataturk's secular society backsliding into Islamism over the last few years, and I hope the Turkish people will be able to resist sliding into the radical cesspool.

Turkey was a valued NATO ally for a lot of years during the Cold War and I would be happy to see the country have closer ties with the West, but if the Turks continue their flirtation with Islamism they will only alienate the civilized world.

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Your co worker sounds somewhat like my father.. except my dad is younger. I personally want to see Turkey in the EU and align with Europe more. I don't like that Angela Merkle is against it. There are so many Turkish people still in Germany today, and have been stateless since going there to rebuild their country. I lived in Germany for a little while myself.. but I have no personal complaints. I like the country. I just think the Turkish people should have some form of citizenship or voice, if not in Germany then at least through the EU.. It's not fair of Germany to block it every way possible..

As for Muslim countries in the east I would say after Turkey.. Qatar, Oman, Tunisia, Kuwait, and Jordan want to progress the most and get out of their dark ages..

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boo, that strawman doesn't hold up; no one has claimed that it does.

I would like to see similar numbers among Christians of support for the KKK?

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Actually, you, O'Rielly and others contantly have made that claim. The mere protest of the community center itself is making that claim. You take a few and try to pint the whole. And your number chart doesn't change that. Most Muslims are not blowing themselves and others up.

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As I talk to you, it becomes more and more clear that you are afraid and don't trust Muslim people.

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i have liked, gotten along with, trusted, and literally placed my life in the hands of (and in turn, risked my life for) many Muslim individuals.

i do not trust the Islamist advocacy movements in the West, however; they have too often proved to be merely funneling groups (or apologists) to dangerous Islamist elements both here and abroad.

How do you even claim to know and interact with so many Muslim people?

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i've served with them; we were colocated with and responsible for training both Iraqi Army and Iraqi Police

I think you probably served in one of the wars in the Middle East and only have had negative experiences with them.

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quite the contrary; i had many positive experience with them as well as many negative experiences. when it comes to hospitality, their culture has ours beat to the point where it's almost embarrassing. my lord, what a spread they would make at the house meetings; it put me onto organic food for the rest of my life. Iraqi Police worked under conditions that you and I can't even imagine: as a member of the military, the worst that would happen to me is that I get killed. Iraqi Police faced the daily very realistic threat that, instead of them dying, someone would torture their family to death in retaliation for them standing up. Some of our IP's got caught alone at night; we would find pieces of them scattered across the city; brave men who had faced and paid a tab you and I can't even imagine in order to give their people some peace and security.

do you have anything that you would be willing to risk your children being tortured to death for? yet they were willing to face that nightmare in order to protect their neighborhoods. I admit, I love my country, but it would be a strong temptation to just move rather than lose my kids.

with them being your enemies only and feeling disrespected personally.

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well i have also met and interacted with the True Believers; the Islamists, members of AQI, etc. If ever you didn't believe there was such a thing as Evil in the world; that kind of experience would cure you.

I have friends in the wars. I have heard stories of the people lying to the soldiers about America being great, Saddam bad.. then disrespecting the troops and refusing to let their children drink the water soldiers offer.

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yup, that's there too. It depends on where you are and who you are dealing with. In Afghanistan our biggest hamperence with regards to the locals is that the people think they can't trust us to protect them.... seems our Commander In Chief keeps making noises about pulling out in 2011...

It must have been hard fighting in and supporting a war for people you grew to hate.

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i don't hate muslims. but i recognize what Islamism is, and I am aware of both it's pull to the general muslim population, and the threat that that represents to a weakened West.

Boo Radley said:

Actually, you, O'Rielly and others contantly have made that claim.

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:roll: i would like to see a single citeable instance of either myself or O'Reilly making the claim that simply being a muslim makes you a terrorist?

The mere protest of the community center itself is making that claim.

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citeable example of this?

cpwill said:

i have liked, gotten along with, trusted, and literally placed my life in the hands of (and in turn, risked my life for) many Muslim individuals.

i do not trust the Islamist advocacy movements in the West, however; they have too often proved to be merely funneling groups (or apologists) to dangerous Islamist elements both here and abroad.



i've served with them; we were colocated with and responsible for training both Iraqi Army and Iraqi Police



quite the contrary; i had many positive experience with them as well as many negative experiences. when it comes to hospitality, their culture has ours beat to the point where it's almost embarrassing. my lord, what a spread they would make at the house meetings; it put me onto organic food for the rest of my life. Iraqi Police worked under conditions that you and I can't even imagine: as a member of the military, the worst that would happen to me is that I get killed. Iraqi Police faced the daily very realistic threat that, instead of them dying, someone would torture their family to death in retaliation for them standing up. Some of our IP's got caught alone at night; we would find pieces of them scattered across the city; brave men who had faced and paid a tab you and I can't even imagine in order to give their people some peace and security.

do you have anything that you would be willing to risk your children being tortured to death for? yet they were willing to face that nightmare in order to protect their neighborhoods. I admit, I love my country, but it would be a strong temptation to just move rather than lose my kids.



well i have also met and interacted with the True Believers; the Islamists, members of AQI, etc. If ever you didn't believe there was such a thing as Evil in the world; that kind of experience would cure you.



yup, that's there too. It depends on where you are and who you are dealing with. In Afghanistan our biggest hamperence with regards to the locals is that the people think they can't trust us to protect them.... seems our Commander In Chief keeps making noises about pulling out in 2011...



i don't hate muslims. but i recognize what Islamism is, and I am aware of both it's pull to the general muslim population, and the threat that that represents to a weakened West.

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Winner, cpwill. :good_job:

cpwill said:

:roll: i would like to see a single citeable instance of either myself or O'Reilly making the claim that simply being a muslim makes you a terrorist?



citeable example of this?

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CP, if you say, as he has, that the community center shouldn't be built due to 9/11, something done by Al Qaeda, terrorist, then you are comparing all muslims to terrorist. Without that comparaison, you cannot object to it being built due to 9/11, you cannot argue families will be insuulted, that it insults those who lost loved ones.