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The Glenn Beck Boycott Gaining Traction - FOX News Losing Money

Conservative said:
LOL, yeah, I know a lot of book smart, street stupid liberals who don't have one ounce of logic and common sense. I hardly call that being intellectually superior. Results matter and I would put mine up against yours any day.
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It really is hard to retort this comment without becoming overly derogatory about the conservative, generally speaking of course. Most of the "intellectual" conservative base (if you can call them that) are not really conservatives but libertarian. However libertarianism is a kin to anarchy which isn't really all that conservative. Conservatives are actually quite collectivist considering their bias for forcing social conservatism on society. Which is the opposite of anarchy .. just in case you didn't know.

The right is fragmented between fundamentalist christians, red necks and libertarians. The big push for deregulation comes from libertarianism. Any anti taxation or anti government intervention is libertarianism. The moral wing of the right is obviously found in the fundamentalist christian and redneck corners. But libertarianism doesn't actually work well with that.

The bible bangers have made a deal with the devil so they can have some kind of intellectual argument to defend and or rationalize their political opposition to the left in general. All resting on the notion of self governance. They are mostly confused and expect someone to show up to clear up matters.(re Palin) The red necks just don't know anything outside of what daddy told them.(or beat into them whichever.)

Libertarians hooked up with the devil because they didn't have a political leg to stand on before they did. Clearly though the libertarians being somewhat educated are able to dupe the hard right into complacency with regards to these subjects.. just as long as they get their free market/no government/taxation for the bank accounts of the millionaires/billionaires. In reality though they are playing a fools game to think society can self regulate itself to utopia and it just turns into big monies favourite political game. If you can't see that and are libertarian without any reason then your only a dupe. Move to Somalia if you want to see what no government looks like.

I'll take book smart liberal or street stupid liberal, without a bit of common sense any day in light of that.
 
cpwill said:
this is the "oh FOX News ginned up support for the Iraq War" thing, right?
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I don't know what your argument is. If you actually watched the documentary you would see that fox is creating the news not reporting it. I'm only saying what I hear the employees say about it. Whatever your argument it should be pretty plain and clear rebuttal.
 
Gabriel said:
It really is hard to retort this comment without becoming overly derogatory about the conservative, generally speaking of course. Most of the "intellectual" conservative base (if you can call them that) are not really conservatives but libertarian. However libertarianism is a kin to anarchy which isn't really all that conservative. Conservatives are actually quite collectivist considering their bias for forcing social conservatism on society. Which is the opposite of anarchy .. just in case you didn't know.

The right is fragmented between fundamentalist christians, red necks and libertarians. The big push for deregulation comes from libertarianism. Any anti taxation or anti government intervention is libertarianism. The moral wing of the right is obviously found in the fundamentalist christian and redneck corners. But libertarianism doesn't actually work well with that.

The bible bangers have made a deal with the devil so they can have some kind of intellectual argument to defend and or rationalize their political opposition to the left in general. All resting on the notion of self governance. They are mostly confused and expect someone to show up to clear up matters.(re Palin) The red necks just don't know anything outside of what daddy told them.(or beat into them whichever.)

Libertarians hooked up with the devil because they didn't have a political leg to stand on before they did. Clearly though the libertarians being somewhat educated are able to dupe the hard right into complacency with regards to these subjects.. just as long as they get their free market/no government/taxation for the bank accounts of the millionaires/billionaires. In reality though they are playing a fools game to think society can self regulate itself to utopia and it just turns into big monies favourite political game. If you can't see that and are libertarian without any reason then your only a dupe. Move to Somalia if you want to see what no government looks like.

I'll take book smart liberal or street stupid liberal, without a bit of common sense any day in light of that.
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I just love having people like you around as you continue to show me just how great my education was and my career in business. Looks to me like you are a young kid who has a lot of growing up to do and when that happens it is going to be quite something to see. Hope I am around to see it.
 
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Gabriel said:
I don't know what your argument is. If you actually watched the documentary you would see that fox is creating the news not reporting it. I'm only saying what I hear the employees say about it. Whatever your argument it should be pretty plain and clear rebuttal.
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Provide actual specifics on what news Fox News created instead of reported. Since you are so sold on the biased documentary it should be easy for you to post facts. I have no interest in viewing a 2004 documentary and am quite able to compare reported news with actual results to see if the news is created and not reported.
 
Conservative said:
I just love having people like you around as you continue to show me just how great my education was and my career in business. Looks to me like you are a young punk kid who has a lot of growing up to do and when that happens it is going to be quite something to see. Hope I am around to see it.
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Another fantastic brilliant reply I see. You know steadfast positions on anything actually require more then insults and your personal opinion. Just because you fight endlessly on topics and don't give an inch doesn't mean you have a leg to stand on. Your so smart, it's not possible some "punk" could ever put you in your place. Of course your probably waiting for someone else to get an edge so you can swoop in and make a stand. Till then just consider yourself punked by the "punk".
 
Conservative said:
Provide actual specifics on what news Fox News created instead of reported. Since you are so sold on the biased documentary it should be easy for you to post facts. I have no interest in viewing a 2004 documentary and am quite able to compare reported news with actual results to see if the news is created and not reported.
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I am not going to do your work for you. Watch the documentary.
 
Gabriel said:
Another fantastic brilliant reply I see. You know steadfast positions on anything actually require more then insults and your personal opinion. Just because you fight endlessly on topics and don't give an inch doesn't mean you have a leg to stand on. Your so smart, it's not possible some "punk" could ever put you in your place. Of course your probably waiting for someone else to get an edge so you can swoop in and make a stand. Till then just consider yourself punked by the "punk".
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I gave you the sources of my information, you choose to believe some book smart, street stupid liberal report that has not been verified and is over 6 years old instead of the Bureau of Economic Analysis, Bureau of Labor Statistics, and the U.S. Treasury Dept. on top of 35 years in the business world. Yes, I will put those sources up against anything you offer so I suggest keeping quiet kid.
 
Conservative said:
No interest and obviously you cannot defend your position. Thanks for playing.
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Lame. Just forget about it. Your to lazy or closed minded (like most self proclaimed "conservatives") to bother and want the easy way out. Like your friends at the bank gambling on derivatives you accomplish nothing and expect to be rewarded for it. Not terribly impressive. Put some of that "common sense" conservatism into your rebuttals. It would be more fun for me at least. I have a clue about philosophy, politics and other matters to stammer out more then a sentence of opinion and another with insults.

OT:I don't know anyone on this board but is there any other “conservatives” on the board that actually know more then this character?
 
Conservative said:
I gave you the sources of my information, you choose to believe some book smart, street stupid liberal report that has not been verified and is over 6 years old instead of the Bureau of Economic Analysis, Bureau of Labor Statistics, and the U.S. Treasury Dept. on top of 35 years in the business world. Yes, I will put those sources up against anything you offer so I suggest keeping quiet kid.
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oh I will refer you to the board of bla bla.. nice.
 
Gabriel said:
Lame. Just forget about it. Your to lazy or closed minded (like most self proclaimed "conservatives") to bother and want the easy way out. Like your friends at the bank gambling on derivatives you accomplish nothing and expect to be rewarded for it. Not terribly impressive. Put some of that "common sense" conservatism into your rebuttals. It would be more fun for me at least. I have a clue about philosophy, politics and other matters to stammer out more then a sentence of opinion and another with insults.

OT:I don't know anyone on this board but is there any other “conservatives” on the board that actually know more then this character?
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You are indeed a legend in your own mind.
 
Gabriel said:
It really is hard to retort this comment without becoming overly derogatory about the conservative, generally speaking of course. Most of the "intellectual" conservative base (if you can call them that) are not really conservatives but libertarian. However libertarianism is a kin to anarchy which isn't really all that conservative. Conservatives are actually quite collectivist considering their bias for forcing social conservatism on society. Which is the opposite of anarchy .. just in case you didn't know.

The right is fragmented between fundamentalist christians, red necks and libertarians. The big push for deregulation comes from libertarianism. Any anti taxation or anti government intervention is libertarianism. The moral wing of the right is obviously found in the fundamentalist christian and redneck corners. But libertarianism doesn't actually work well with that.

The bible bangers have made a deal with the devil so they can have some kind of intellectual argument to defend and or rationalize their political opposition to the left in general. All resting on the notion of self governance. They are mostly confused and expect someone to show up to clear up matters.(re Palin) The red necks just don't know anything outside of what daddy told them.(or beat into them whichever.)

Libertarians hooked up with the devil because they didn't have a political leg to stand on before they did. Clearly though the libertarians being somewhat educated are able to dupe the hard right into complacency with regards to these subjects.. just as long as they get their free market/no government/taxation for the bank accounts of the millionaires/billionaires. In reality though they are playing a fools game to think society can self regulate itself to utopia and it just turns into big monies favourite political game. If you can't see that and are libertarian without any reason then your only a dupe. Move to Somalia if you want to see what no government looks like.

I'll take book smart liberal or street stupid liberal, without a bit of common sense any day in light of that.
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This entire discussion is pointless. Let me know if you ever want to discuss something of substance. You bring out a 2004 documentary that is negative about Fox News and for what purpose. The topic of this thread is Glenn Beck Boycott gaining traction and Fox News losing money. Neither are true and the facts support that. If you have anything else to offer let me know but there is nothing in your post that is worthy of discussion. For some reason you want to make this about the credibility of Fox News demanding that I watch the 2004 video. That is old news and not worth the hour plus to watch. I make my own decisions and have determined that Fox News is worth my time.

I am not tied to a network but I do enjoy the exchanges of both liberals and conservatives on Fox News. Obvious you don't watch Fox or you would know that the network has both liberals and consevatives debating issues. Doesn't really matter though but if you wish to discuss actual substantive issues then let me know where that blog is and I will be happy to put you in your place. Until then this topic has been beaten to death and the facts show that Glenn Beck beats his competition by anywhere from 2 to 1 or 4 to 1 depending on the day and Fox News had record profits last quarter so I know of no book smart liberal that can explain how record profits means losing money.
 
Conservative said:
This entire discussion is pointless. Let me know if you ever want to discuss something of substance. You bring out a 2004 documentary that is negative about Fox News and for what purpose. The topic of this thread is Glenn Beck Boycott gaining traction and Fox News losing money. Neither are true and the facts support that. If you have anything else to offer let me know but there is nothing in your post that is worthy of discussion. For some reason you want to make this about the credibility of Fox News demanding that I watch the 2004 video. That is old news and not worth the hour plus to watch. I make my own decisions and have determined that Fox News is worth my time.

I am not tied to a network but I do enjoy the exchanges of both liberals and conservatives on Fox News. Obvious you don't watch Fox or you would know that the network has both liberals and consevatives debating issues. Doesn't really matter though but if you wish to discuss actual substantive issues then let me know where that blog is and I will be happy to put you in your place. Until then this topic has been beaten to death and the facts show that Glenn Beck beats his competition by anywhere from 2 to 1 or 4 to 1 depending on the day and Fox News had record profits last quarter so I know of no book smart liberal that can explain how record profits means losing money.
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Well good then waste your time with fox. I got excited hearing news they were not making money.. etc. If I had taken the time to check the stock price out and news on the trash channel then I would have known better but for some reason you seem to be lamenting about my not liking the channel. You make a cheap shot with regards to liberals and common sense so I responded in a more considerate way. Then you quote it as though I was not already familiar with the information you posted and make like my post was out of context. If one were to simply go back and read the quotes and follow the discussion they would see clearly I was disappointed to hear that fox was making money. I don't understand your response here actually and your arguments seem incoherent.
 
Gabriel said:
Well good then waste your time with fox. I got excited hearing news they were not making money.. etc. If I had taken the time to check the stock price out and news on the trash channel then I would have known better but for some reason you seem to be lamenting about my not liking the channel. You make a cheap shot with regards to liberals and common sense so I responded in a more considerate way. Then you quote it as though I was not already familiar with the information you posted and make like my post was out of context. If one were to simply go back and read the quotes and follow the discussion they would see clearly I was disappointed to hear that fox was making money. I don't understand your response here actually and your arguments seem incoherent.
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I am sure that someone who is a self proclaimed intellectual and thus superior to this conservative can figure out what I said in my post. Try using some of that common sense, street smarts that conservatives have and see if you can figure it out. Since Fox isn't your channel, tell me which channel is that I am missing out on?
 
cpwill said:
:lol: yeah. Van Jones resigned to spend more time with his family :2razz:
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Being silly really isn't an argument CP. Your response in no way addresses the point.
 
cpwill said:
:lol: truly you are living in the ivory tower of group think. but let's go through it one by one.
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If that makes it easier for you, go with it. But that too is not an argument.






i am capable of such. frankly, i think Beck is off on more than a few things; and he's far from my favorite commentator. I don't really have an emotional investment in this. However, he has been way out in front on being right on several issues; and this seems to throw many of those who expected Great And Amazing Things From The One into a wierd state of cognitive dissonance.
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I think you are capable, but too often by into sloppy logic. Like what you do above. It skips meaning in favor of superficial silliness. Beck misrepresents and you have not used sound logic to defend it. If you don't see that by now, and I won't run thorugh it yet again, I cannot explain it any other way than you not wanting to see it.
 
Conservative said:
That isn't the topic of this thread but like all liberals you divert from the main issue to a manufactured issue. Whether or not the video was posted on the MSM or not is irrelevant, it was late and Beck because of the time slot was the first and he predicted that the MSM wouldn't show it, he was wrong, they did but as Reuter's admits the print picture was doctored to display Israel in a bad light, which isn't surprising. Does that constitute a lie on Beck's part, not really, just shows he was wrong. You call it a lie because that allows you to divert from this thread topic. It isn't a winning issue for you nor is ignoring that the topic of this thread is indeed a lie. You simply cannot bring yourself to admitting the obvious.
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It isn't about our discussion. It's you who are now backing away form our discussion. I have a theory as to why. Want to hear it? ;)
 
Boo Radley said:
It isn't about our discussion. It's you who are now backing away form our discussion. I have a theory as to why. Want to hear it? ;)
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I would love to have your theory as to why you and others are ignoring the thread topic and not calling that topic a lie?
 
Gabriel said:
The Real News Network

Enjoy.
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So let me see if I have this right, a website known for its documentary and editorial comments is credible to you. What makes their opinions more credible than those given by the op ed division of Fox News? Looks to me like just another attempt to whine and complain while doing nothing to correct the problems. Your problem is typical of far too many today in that you are perfect, sources that you support are perfect, and we would live in an ideal world if only everyone would adopt your ideology, whatever that is since you have yet to explain it.

Your problem is you cannot admit that you don't have all the answers nor does you news source which offers no solutions. You cannot admit when wrong nor can you admit that there should be consequences for failure. Whining and complaining is what you do best because that means you never have to accept responsibility for anything

Unlike you, I don't put any faith in a news network. I enjoy Fox because of the people there but accept nothing at face value. I take their information, apply my 35 years business experience to it, verify the information provided by using the non partisan sites I gave you and then find them more credible than the news the MSM is providing. Based upon those non partisan sites, liberalism is a failure and the results prove it. The largest budget items are the entitlement programs created by liberals. the biggest waste of money is the growth of the Federal Govt., the most misunderstood science is economics, and the most under appreciated entity is private business.

Liberal social engineering is about spreading liberal misery equally to everyone else. It is about redistribution of wealth by taking from producers and giving to those that don't produce. There are no consequences in the liberal world for failure and that is where you and other book smart liberals go wrong. Liberal social engineering has caused most of the 13 trillion dollar debt we have today all because rich elite liberals have convinced far too many that life isn't fair and that rich people won the lottery thus do not deserve their wealth. The class envy of liberalis is quite telling.
 
Conservative said:
I would love to have your theory as to why you and others are ignoring the thread topic and not calling that topic a lie?
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Because I don't care. Not a single little bit. What I care about is our discussion. The one we were talking about. You merely are trying to avoid it becaue you know I'm right. ;)
 
Boo Radley said:
Because I don't care. Not a single little bit. What I care about is our discussion. The one we were talking about. You merely are trying to avoid it becaue you know I'm right. ;)
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Then start another thread as that discussion has no place here and thus is irrelevant although Beck lying was supposed to be in part reason for the boycott. Ratings show that the majority watching during that time slot don't believe he is lying nor do I. It therefore is irrelevant.

If you spend all your time worring about what a TV personality does or says then that shows others how irrelevant you really are. Doesn't matter what Beck says or does because he doesn't impact you but what you focus on does impact your credibility.
 
Conservative said:
Then start another thread as that discussion has no place here and thus is irrelevant although Beck lying was supposed to be in part reason for the boycott. Ratings show that the majority watching during that time slot don't believe he is lying nor do I. It therefore is irrelevant.

If you spend all your time worring about what a TV personality does or says then that shows others how irrelevant you really are. Doesn't matter what Beck says or does because he doesn't impact you but what you focus on does impact your credibility.
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You mean a thread in which you are not already cornered? ;)
 
Boo Radley said:
You mean a thread in which you are not already cornered? ;)
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Hey, if you think I am cornered, so be it, I think you are nuts. This thread topic is the real lie but you ignore that to focus on what at worst could be a misstatement that means absolutely nothing in the big picture.
 
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