Press encouraged to turn up heat on Trump

Press encouraged to turn up heat on Trump | Washington Examiner

The video at the link is instructive if very limited in all the illustrations that could have been used.

In an election in which the coverage was so shamefully biased and relentlessly negative and questioned every word and nuance of Trump while giving Hillary much more gentle treatment, they are now encouraging the media to double down on that and get tough with Trump?

I am ashamed of the Fourth Estate that I once admired and wanted to be part of. With very few exceptions, there is no longer any attempt to be fair, balanced, or objective.

As a result, we can no longer look to the media for much in the way of the whole truth or sometimes any truth.

I am discouraged that this will be corrected in what's left of my lifetime.

AlbqOwl said:

I am ashamed of the Fourth Estate that I once admired and wanted to be part of. With very few exceptions, there is no longer any attempt to be fair, balanced, or objective.

As a result, we can no longer look to the media for much in the way of the whole truth or sometimes any truth.

I am discouraged that this will be corrected in what's left of my lifetime.

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...says the concerned citizen who has cited a link from a brazenly partisan tabloid to bolster her OP.

AlbqOwl said:

Press encouraged to turn up heat on Trump | Washington Examiner

The video at the link is instructive if very limited in all the illustrations that could have been used.

In an election in which the coverage was so shamefully biased and relentlessly negative and questioned every word and nuance of Trump while giving Hillary much more gentle treatment, they are now encouraging the media to double down on that and get tough with Trump?

I am ashamed of the Fourth Estate that I once admired and wanted to be part of. With very few exceptions, there is no longer any attempt to be fair, balanced, or objective.

As a result, we can no longer look to the media for much in the way of the whole truth or sometimes any truth.

I am discouraged that this will be corrected in what's left of my lifetime.

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it really has gotten bad. the amount of propaganda coming out of newspapers and television has gotten absurd. I don't believe anything they report any more.

This would be why the Donald tweets.

AlbqOwl said:

Press encouraged to turn up heat on Trump | Washington Examiner

The video at the link is instructive if very limited in all the illustrations that could have been used.

In an election in which the coverage was so shamefully biased and relentlessly negative and questioned every word and nuance of Trump while giving Hillary much more gentle treatment, they are now encouraging the media to double down on that and get tough with Trump?

I am ashamed of the Fourth Estate that I once admired and wanted to be part of. With very few exceptions, there is no longer any attempt to be fair, balanced, or objective.

As a result, we can no longer look to the media for much in the way of the whole truth or sometimes any truth.

I am discouraged that this will be corrected in what's left of my lifetime.

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ARealConservative said:

it really has gotten bad. the amount of propaganda coming out of newspapers and television has gotten absurd. I don't believe anything they report any more.

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I am certainly no trend setter, but I stopped watching TV back in 2004. I think, in the age of the internet, all of us en masse' should completely stop tuning into the news channels, get your news/view those programs you like on youtube, etc...

With a huge hole in their audience counts, advertisers will start pulling up stakes, putting their dollars elsewhere and this mongrel horde of liars and purveyors of false narratives will die out even sooner than anticipated.

With good riddance.

AlbqOwl said:

Press encouraged to turn up heat on Trump | Washington Examiner

The video at the link is instructive if very limited in all the illustrations that could have been used.

In an election in which the coverage was so shamefully biased and relentlessly negative and questioned every word and nuance of Trump while giving Hillary much more gentle treatment, they are now encouraging the media to double down on that and get tough with Trump?

I am ashamed of the Fourth Estate that I once admired and wanted to be part of. With very few exceptions, there is no longer any attempt to be fair, balanced, or objective.

As a result, we can no longer look to the media for much in the way of the whole truth or sometimes any truth.

I am discouraged that this will be corrected in what's left of my lifetime.

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The 4th estate has become the 5th column.

KevinKohler said:

This would be why the Donald tweets.

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And looks like a joke when he does it. He is also wrong most of the time.

AlbqOwl said:

Press encouraged to turn up heat on Trump | Washington Examiner

The video at the link is instructive if very limited in all the illustrations that could have been used.

In an election in which the coverage was so shamefully biased and relentlessly negative and questioned every word and nuance of Trump while giving Hillary much more gentle treatment, they are now encouraging the media to double down on that and get tough with Trump?

I am ashamed of the Fourth Estate that I once admired and wanted to be part of. With very few exceptions, there is no longer any attempt to be fair, balanced, or objective.

As a result, we can no longer look to the media for much in the way of the whole truth or sometimes any truth.

I am discouraged that this will be corrected in what's left of my lifetime.

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The press should turn up the heat on each and every politician and the overarching Republocrat structure, get back to some damned journalism instead of news-entertainment. Trump, in many ways, presents himself as an easy target though and given that our pres is news-entertainment, I think we'll see them acting more aggressive towards Trump, though not in some positive way where they're assessing anything political, but rather just spewing is Trump-isms all over the place, as if Trump needs help with that.

RickJames3000 said:

...says the concerned citizen who has cited a link from a brazenly partisan tabloid to bolster her OP.

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I will accept your bias against my source, but I was taught that debate was rebutting what was said instead of attacking your opponent. Try it. You might like it.

ARealConservative said:

it really has gotten bad. the amount of propaganda coming out of newspapers and television has gotten absurd. I don't believe anything they report any more.

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I don't automatically dismiss it unless it is obviously partisan propaganda or sniping, but I no longer trust the MSM or the fact checkers these days. It is time consuming, tedious, and frustrating to do your own fact checking, but if we are to have the truth about much of anything, we are our only defense these days.

ARealConservative said:

it really has gotten bad. the amount of propaganda coming out of newspapers and television has gotten absurd. I don't believe anything they report any more.

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Sorrily, that is about where we getting.

Gaugingcatenate said:

I am certainly no trend setter, but I stopped watching TV back in 2004. I think, in the age of the internet, all of us en masse' should completely stop tuning into the news channels, get your news/view those programs you like on youtube, etc...

With a huge hole in their audience counts, advertisers will start pulling up stakes, putting their dollars elsewhere and this mongrel horde of liars and purveyors of false narratives will die out even sooner than anticipated.

With good riddance.

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Good post. I think it was Mark Twain, who didn't have the benefit of television, who once said: "“If you don't read the newspaper, you're uninformed. If you read the newspaper, you're mis-informed.” Sadly that does seem to be the case from most media sources these days.

I do think Fox News has made a difference. The Left hates it because it is pretty much the ONLY television source that is providing BOTH sides of issues and all there is to know about the issues these days, which of course brands it as a conservative hack medium in their eyes. They can't stand having THEIR side scrutinized and refuse to accept any extenuating circumstances that were involved when somebody they despise is scrutinized.

But because Fox does at least try to be as fair and balanced as possible in their news reporting, they have snagged an audience larger by a significant margin than all the other cable news sources combined. Advertisers are impressed by numbers like that and numbers like that command larger advertising dollars. But even Fox is prone to report a developing news story as news instead of developing and as such is hard to trust for absolute facts all the time.

MSNBC was the first of Fox's competition to at least attempt a bit more objectivity in their news coverage and commentary in an attempt to cut into Fox's advantage. They haven't hurt Fox at all yet--they are still too heavily slanted to left to appeal to the average Fox viewer--but they sure cut into CNN's ratings and quickly moved into the No. 2 slot behind Fox much of the time. CNN seems slower to catch on, but they have the prestigious CNNI to cover their losses on the domestic front. But their efforts to woo Megyn Kelly suggest they would like to improve their domestic ratings too.

ReverendHellh0und said:

The 4th estate has become the 5th column.

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It does feel like that doesn't it.

Ikari said:

The press should turn up the heat on each and every politician and the overarching Republocrat structure, get back to some damned journalism instead of news-entertainment. Trump, in many ways, presents himself as an easy target though and given that our pres is news-entertainment, I think we'll see them acting more aggressive towards Trump, though not in some positive way where they're assessing anything political, but rather just spewing is Trump-isms all over the place, as if Trump needs help with that.

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Trump cannot depend on the media to represent him fairly or accurately, so he uses the social media to get around the mainstream media and that is where those 'Trump-isms' mostly come from. And it has been a brilliant strategy earning him more guest spots and opportunities to get his message out via media microphone than anybody has ever enjoyed plus he has the charisma to pull some serious crowds and enjoys going to the people to take advantage of that. He is the President-elect because he is wise enough and savvy enough to figure out how to get things done and understood what the working class people who pay the bills want and need.

If he had depended on the MSM to represent him fairly and accurately, we would be discussing President-elect Hillary these days instead of President-elect Trump.

AlbqOwl said:

Good post. I think it was Mark Twain, who didn't have the benefit of television, who once said: "“If you don't read the newspaper, you're uninformed. If you read the newspaper, you're mis-informed.” Sadly that does seem to be the case from most media sources these days.

I do think Fox News has made a difference. The Left hates it because it is pretty much the ONLY television source that is providing BOTH sides of issues and all there is to know about the issues these days, which of course brands it as a conservative hack medium in their eyes. They can't stand having THEIR side scrutinized and refuse to accept any extenuating circumstances that were involved when somebody they despise is scrutinized.

But because Fox does at least try to be as fair and balanced as possible in their news reporting, they have snagged an audience larger by a significant margin than all the other cable news sources combined. Advertisers are impressed by numbers like that and numbers like that command larger advertising dollars. But even Fox is prone to report a developing news story as news instead of developing and as such is hard to trust for absolute facts all the time.

MSNBC was the first of Fox's competition to at least attempt a bit more objectivity in their news coverage and commentary in an attempt to cut into Fox's advantage. They haven't hurt Fox at all yet--they are still too heavily slanted to left to appeal to the average Fox viewer--but they sure cut into CNN's ratings and quickly moved into the No. 2 slot behind Fox much of the time. CNN seems slower to catch on, but they have the prestigious CNNI to cover their losses on the domestic front. But their efforts to woo Megyn Kelly suggest they would like to improve their domestic ratings too.

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Yup ... Twain and Denzel.

I would be happy if the media turned up the heat on ALL politicians...across the board and on both sides of the aisle and also on the talking potato heads...but I don't expect that to happen. So that leaves me with this question: Why is this encouragement toward turning up the heat on Trump any different from what the media has been doing all along?

AlbqOwl said:

Trump cannot depend on the media to represent him fairly or accurately, so he uses the social media to get around the mainstream media and that is where those 'Trump-isms' mostly come from.

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Trump-isms come from his ignorant, egotistical, childish outbursts and attacks he so loves on Twitter. President-elect isn't wise or savvy enough to understand that there is behavior that is unbecoming of a President and that as the representative of the entire Republic, he must behave in a proper, civil, couth, and Presidential manner.

Ikari said:

Trump-isms come from his ignorant, egotistical, childish outbursts and attacks he so loves on Twitter. President-elect isn't wise or savvy enough to understand that there is behavior that is unbecoming of a President and that as the representative of the entire Republic, he must behave in a proper, civil, couth, and Presidential manner.

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Well I hope you feel better writing that.

It has been my long experience that because he isn't establishment playing by dictated politically correct and establishment rules, and because he isn't a leftist/statist/progressive/liberal/Democrat etc., he could qualify for sainthood, put a chicken in every pot, cure cancer, reverse climate change, end world hunger, and establish world peace, and you would still describe him in the same terms.

AlbqOwl said:

I will accept your bias against my source, but I was taught that debate was rebutting what was said instead of attacking your opponent. Try it. You might like it.

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Calling out the bias of your source link is a meta-criticism of the point you were trying to make. Sorry you missed that.

Mycroft said:

I would be happy if the media turned up the heat on ALL politicians...across the board and on both sides of the aisle and also on the talking potato heads...but I don't expect that to happen. So that leaves me with this question: Why is this encouragement toward turning up the heat on Trump any different from what the media has been doing all along?

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I agree that we need a competent and non partisan, intentionally unbiased 4th Estate that holds everybody's feet to the fire. But they pick and choose who they will do that to and there is no sense of fair play in that at all. What is scary, is you talk with some of these young so-called 'journalists', and they don't see or understand how unfair and biased they are. Even some of the older ones are so indoctrinated with hatred that they don't care whether their are fair or balanced in their coverage.

And this IS no different than what they have done throughout the campaign and continue to do after the election. What is amazing is that somebody thinks they should be even worse than they have been.

AlbqOwl said:

Well I hope you feel better writing that.

It has been my long experience that because he isn't establishment and because he isn't a leftist/statist/progressive/liberal/Democrat etc., he could qualify for sainthood, put a chicken in every pot, cure cancer, reverse climate change, end world hunger, and establish world peace, and you would still describe him in the same terms.

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It's been my long experience that insider Corporate CEOs with ties to political families, such as the Clintons, aren't actually as outside the establishment as many would like to believe. And despite the fact that these actual insiders will run things fairly similarly to the status quo, that since he isn't leftist/statist/progressive/liberal/Democrat etc., that while he continues our wars, sells out to Corporate interest, grows the government, expands Federal powers, destroys further any remnant of free-market we had left, etc. that you will still describe him as the neigh second coming.

Further more, once Trump is close to qualifying for sainthood, put a chicken in every pot, cure cancer, reverse climate change, end world hunger, and establish world peace, etc, come back and we'll talk about my assessment of that Reality TV r-tard.

RickJames3000 said:

Calling out the bias of your source link is a meta-criticism of the point you were trying to make. Sorry you missed that.

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But you still haven't offered a single rebuttal of the content the source provided. Sorry, but in the most lenient debate protocol, anybody who attacks the source and/or their opponent without providing information to rebut either will definitely receive no points in the debate.

RickJames3000 said:

Calling out the bias of your source link is a meta-criticism of the point you were trying to make. Sorry you missed that.

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Easy to miss given the vacuous nature of your post itself.
Like Owl said, when you do that, and only that, it's a sign you...got...nuttin.

Ikari said:

It's been my long experience that insider Corporate CEOs with ties to political families, such as the Clintons, aren't actually as outside the establishment as many would like to believe. And despite the fact that these actual insiders will run things fairly similarly to the status quo, that since he isn't leftist/statist/progressive/liberal/Democrat etc., that while he continues our wars, sells out to Corporate interest, grows the government, expands Federal powers, destroys further any remnant of free-market we had left, etc. that you will still describe him as the neigh second coming.

Further more, once Trump is close to qualifying for sainthood, put a chicken in every pot, cure cancer, reverse climate change, end world hunger, and establish world peace, etc, come back and we'll talk about my assessment of that Reality TV r-tard.

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It all depends on Trumps motives. To do good. Or to become richer.

The political establishment in Washington has had their shot for decades now and things just get worse. And for anybody with the ability to see and understand, almost all are in it for their personal wealth at our expense. They all become millionaires many times over while America and Americans overall decline.

I cannot see how people with business savvy and track records for accomplishing complicated and difficult things could possibly do any worse.

If the people are able to prosper and direct their own lives again, and those who do that for us also prosper, I have no problem whatsoever with that. I think only the most partisan, petty, and hateful would have a problem with that.

But this thread is not about that. This thread is about media coverage and how honest or dishonest it is about the President-elect, those he is putting on his team, and the results, good or bad, that they produce. And what is their (or anybody else's) justification for attempting to undermine and discredit the President-elect and his team before they are given any kind of chance to show what they can do?

AlbqOwl said:

The political establishment in Washington has had their shot for decades now and things just get worse.

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They definitely have. And the status quo, corporate Republocrat domination of the Republic has really led to some significant deterioration, particularly where size and scope of government is concerned.

But here's the dirty little secret, Trump's not the outsider you think he is. He's part of the whole Corporate Cronyism that infects the system as is. Don't actually expect things to radically change for the better, you'll find yourself depressingly disappointed.

As for "media coverage", the heat needs to be turned up across the board. I'm not going to cry if some politician falls victim of intense and researched questioning.