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MRC/YouGov Poll: Most Voters Saw, Rejected News Media Bias

Slyfox696 said:
No, I was smack dab on target.

No, it's literally in the opening post.

I always love the dishonesty from "right wing" soldiers regarding bias in the media. They are so quick to accuse media of liberal bias and yet so completely ignore the overt right wing bias in their own media. No one believes Fox News, Hannity, Limbaugh, Breitbart, Drudge, Blaze, etc. aren't overtly biased towards the Republican party. But somehow, for so many people who vote conservative, those sources never get mentioned when discussing bias in the media. That's dishonest. It just shows those people don't care about biased media, they just want the media to be biased towards the things they want to believe.

Let's ignore for a moment your premise assumes something far from factual (in that all those sources you mentioned are noticeably biased).

How come you didn't mention Rush or Hannity and the virtual stranglehold conservatives have on the radio market? Why not mention Newsmax or Drudge or The Blaze, who are three of the top four most popular political websites? How come you fail to mention the millions and millions of people who consume media which openly touts its bias?

Furthermore, how about you address the point I made? An openly biased towards conservatives media source suggested other news sources not inject their bias into political coverage. Many who lean to the right in this thread have seemed to have absolutely no problem with that hypocrisy.

It's like I said to Grim. Those who complain about media bias only mean bias which isn't in their favor. But the biggest problem with that is those same people think UNBIASED news coverage is biased because it's NOT catering to conservative bias. That may be hard to understand, so let me explain with an example.

"John" is a hardcore Republican/conservative. He consumes Fox News three hours a day and listens to Rush Limbaugh everyday. A week or two ago, Bret Baier "broke" a story that the FBI was very close to indicting Hillary Clinton. This story made the rounds on conservative media. It turns out that report was completely false, as admitted to by Baier in the next couple of days. But, in John's world view, CBS or NBC is biased, because they didn't report that the FBI was about to indict Hillary Clinton. In other words, because CBS didn't report what was a biased and false report, in John's opinion, CBS is biased. This, by the way, actually happened and I provide a link to a thread to prove it.

This is the problem I have with so many on the right who whine and complain about media bias. They think because a news source doesn't report conservative bias, they must be liberally biased. And that's downright stupid. Furthermore, those same people NEVER complain about the bias in the news/political media from which so many Republicans get their news and opinions. Those people never complain about Rush Limbaugh or Hannity or Fox News or Drudge. That bias is apparently okay, because it's what they want to hear.



To make a long story short (too late): Most people who lean right who complain about media bias are full of crap, for multiple reasons.
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you mean to tell me that a partisan radio talk show host is somehow the same as allegedly "objective" news reports? do you watch late night hosts like Colbert and think they are even handed? or main stream programming that has a GOP lean to it?
 
Mycroft said:
Sure, but usually the media is compliant. Trump is using the media against their will.
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LOL. Now that is new. The media loved following Trump and reporting on anything no matter how small or big he said or did. Trump was one of these old showman who believed any publicity, whether good or bad was all good as it kept his name out in front of everyone and everything. In some of his outrageous statements he pushed Hillary off the tube. No, I wouldn't say Trump used the media against their will. Most of the time he was at war with the media to include Fox News. Trump knew how to play the media via appearing on morning shows and calling in to them.

Hillary avoided the media all she could, relying on TV and radio ads instead of sit downs. That is except with hosts who were 100% in her corner. All of Trump's face time won him the GOP nomination. It was reported Trump received 80% of all the free air time vs 20% for all other candidates. He did much the same in the general, manipulated might be a good word. But the media was complacent and would lead with Trump most of the time.

The media's goal was added viewers and to be able to charge more for commercials. Leading with Trump accomplished that. Trump was exciting and controversial. Hillary, dull and boring portraying an more aloof persona. If Trump was able to play the media even though most of it was against him, more power to him.
 
Perotista said:
LOL. Now that is new. The media loved following Trump and reporting on anything no matter how small or big he said or did. Trump was one of these old showman who believed any publicity, whether good or bad was all good as it kept his name out in front of everyone and everything. In some of his outrageous statements he pushed Hillary off the tube. No, I wouldn't say Trump used the media against their will. Most of the time he was at war with the media to include Fox News. Trump knew how to play the media via appearing on morning shows and calling in to them.

Hillary avoided the media all she could, relying on TV and radio ads instead of sit downs. That is except with hosts who were 100% in her corner. All of Trump's face time won him the GOP nomination. It was reported Trump received 80% of all the free air time vs 20% for all other candidates. He did much the same in the general, manipulated might be a good word. But the media was complacent and would lead with Trump most of the time.

The media's goal was added viewers and to be able to charge more for commercials. Leading with Trump accomplished that. Trump was exciting and controversial. Hillary, dull and boring portraying an more aloof persona. If Trump was able to play the media even though most of it was against him, more power to him.
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Sure, I'll agree...for the most part...with what you are saying, but my previous remark was directed more in the context of Trump as President and your comment that all Presidents do it (to a certain extent).

There were different dynamics going on during the primary and national campaign seasons that caused different actions from the media.
 
TurtleDude said:
you mean to tell me that a partisan radio talk show host is somehow the same as allegedly "objective" news reports?
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I mean to tell you media is media, regardless of format. No one says "biased evening news", they say "liberal media". Rush Limbaugh is media just as surely as Trevor Noah or Bill O'Reilly or Think Progress.

do you watch late night hosts like Colbert and think they are even handed?
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It depends on the host. To answer your specific question about Colbert, no he is not unbiased. But neither is O'Reilly or Hannity. And Jimmy Fallon leads late night TV ratings and, using a quick Google search, I see he was a registered Republican for nearly 20 years before moving to be an Independent. And I know Fallon took a lot of heat from liberals regarding his interview with Trump during election season.

or main stream programming that has a GOP lean to it?
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Mainstream programming has an "appeal to the 18-35 demographic" lean. They are about garnering ratings and selling advertisement, that's it.

The fact of the matter is millions consume conservative media, millions consume liberal media and millions more consume fairly centrist media. The problem is so many people on the right think centrist is liberal because it is not nakedly biased towards the right. And that's what I'm pointing out in this thread, the blatant hypocrisy about accusations of biased media.
 
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Mycroft said:
Sure, I'll agree...for the most part...with what you are saying, but my previous remark was directed more in the context of Trump as President and your comment that all Presidents do it (to a certain extent).

There were different dynamics going on during the primary and national campaign seasons that caused different actions from the media.
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I'll agree with that. All that face time worked extremely well during the primaries. Not so much during the general. Only the last two weeks of the campaign when Trump's advisors were able to get him off Twitter and fixated on his message did he actually climb back into the race. Even then, I went to be early on election eve knowing Clinton would be our next president. Everything had to go perfect for Trump to win, I guess it did.

Each president is different, some know how to take advantage of the media, others not so much. Trump strikes me as one who knows how to use the media that was against him and turn it into his favor. Can he continue to do this as president? I kind of doubt it as it is a completely different and new spotlight. But we shall see.
 
Slyfox696 said:
I mean to tell you media is media, regardless of format. No one says "biased evening news", they say "liberal media". Rush Limbaugh is media just as surely as Trevor Noah or Bill O'Reilly or Think Progress.
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The survey was on the NATIONAL NEWS COVERAGE of the election campaign, not about talk show hosts and pundits.

Do you have a problem understanding the difference between hard news and opinion, or are you simply trying to muddy things up because the poll doesn't fit with your ideological viewpoint?

This survey shouldn't surprise anyone who was paying attention the last few months.

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He had the nerve to go out to dinner without telling the press.
WH Correspondents' Association: 'Unacceptable' for Trump to travel without pool - Washington Times
The president of the White House Correspondents Association said Wednesday it’s now “unacceptable” for the next president to travel without a regular press pool, after President-elect Donald Trump went out to dinner Tuesday evening following indications he would be in for the night.
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I bet Trump got a chuckle out of this. I would send a letter to the president of the White House Correspondents Association telling him to stuff it.
 
Grim17 said:
The survey was on the NATIONAL NEWS COVERAGE of the election campaign
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Perhaps you should try reading the opening post, paying particular attention to the part I've referenced multiple times now.

Do you have a problem understanding the difference between hard news and opinion
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No. Do you have a problem actually reading what people say? Because you've yet to demonstrate the ability in your responses to me.

I find it quite amusing how thoroughly you attempt to defend the hypocrisy. Just another example of how partisanship leads to people saying really dumb things.
 
Slyfox696 said:
Perhaps you should try reading the opening post, paying particular attention to the part I've referenced multiple times now.

No. Do you have a problem actually reading what people say? Because you've yet to demonstrate the ability in your responses to me.

I find it quite amusing how thoroughly you attempt to defend the hypocrisy. Just another example of how partisanship leads to people saying really dumb things.
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First, the "left-wing media" that he was referring to, was the national news media cited in the poll. That's the morning and evening news shows on ABC, NBC, and CBS. That's a viewership of 30 million people on any given day.

What exactly do you think "the left wing media stay out of politics" means? What it means is, they (ABC, NBC, CBS) need to stop using their news coverage as a platform to advocate for or against a particular political candidate. Doing so is not reporting the news, it's politicizing and manipulating it. In other words, be the objective journalists, reporters and news anchors they claim to be, not political pundits advocating for their favorite candidates and/or political party.

You stated "No one believes Fox News, Hannity, Limbaugh, Breitbart, Drudge, Blaze, etc. aren't overtly biased towards the Republican party." They have nothing to do with the poll that was taken. You tried to equate biased websites and political pundits on political opinion shows, with the hard news... which is what that poll, and this thread, are about.

I wasn't defending anyone's "hypocrisy", because there wasn't any hypocrisy there to be defended...


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Grim17 said:
First, the "left-wing media" that he was referring to, was the national news media cited in the poll.
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No, he wasn't. Read his words again. He used the news as example of how he feels leftwing media tried to influence politics. He was not only speaking of the news. You are making that up.

You know what? I don't believe you will do the right thing and actually read what he says. So allow me to post the quotes:
"The media are in full panic mode because the American people rejected their leftist agenda...

There is an institutional bias at major media networks that must be repaired...

If this isn’t a wakeup call for the left-wing media to stay out of politics..."

He was talking about what he presumed to be left wing bias in the media. He only used the news as an example, but he clearly did not limit the scope of his critique at the news. This is reading 101.

What exactly do you think "the left wing media stay out of politics" means?
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It means exactly what I have said multiple times it means. How can you have replied to me so many times and still not understand what I've said?

You stated "No one believes Fox News, Hannity, Limbaugh, Breitbart, Drudge, Blaze, etc. aren't overtly biased towards the Republican party." They have nothing to do with the poll that was taken.
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But they ARE right wing media and I don't see you or Newsmax or any others like you having any problems with biased media. The only problem you have is media which doesn't cater to your bias. And that's dishonest and hypocritical.

I know I've said these things before. You REALLY should try reading before you post.
 
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Slyfox696 said:
No, he wasn't. Read his words again. He used the news as example of how he feels leftwing media tried to influence politics. He was not only speaking of the news. You are making that up.

You know what? I don't believe you will do the right thing and actually read what he says. So allow me to post the quotes:
"The media are in full panic mode because the American people rejected their leftist agenda...

There is an institutional bias at major media networks that must be repaired...

If this isn’t a wakeup call for the left-wing media to stay out of politics..."

He was talking about what he presumed to be left wing bias in the media. He only used the news as an example, but he clearly did not limit the scope of his critique at the news. This is reading 101.
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What you did was manipulation 101, which is why you didn't provide the full quote:

“When you have a strong majority of actual voters saying the national ‘news’ media were biased in favor of Hillary Clinton and tried to influence the public to vote for her; and believing they are fundamentally dishonest, you have a major problem that can’t be fixed with an apology. The public has rejected this institution as being either objective or truthful. There is an institutional bias at major media networks that must be repaired and I am highly skeptical that news executives are interested or capable of undertaking this responsibility.

“Despite the overwhelming and persistent bias of this cycle in particular, I am heartened by the fact that, according to our poll, the American people didn’t let it sway their vote. If this isn’t a wakeup call for the left-wing media to stay out of politics, I don’t know what is.”​

You are full of crap sir.

It's patently obvious he was referring to the "news" media, but since it didn't fit with your agenda, you concocted your own interpretation by cherry picking parts of what he said.

When a person has to resort to dishonesty to prop up their beliefs, it means their beliefs aren't worth propping up in the first place.

But they ARE right wing media and I don't see you or Newsmax or any others like you having any problems with biased media. The only problem you have is media which doesn't cater to your bias. And that's dishonest and hypocritical.
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The topic is the biased mainstream NEWS MEDIA... Not talk shows, not political opinion shows, not political commentators, not partisan internet websites, just national NEWS PROGRAMS.

You really need to learn the difference between political opinion and news before commenting on threads like this, otherwise you nobody but partisan hacks will ever take your posts seriously.


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Grim17 said:
What you did was manipulation 101, which is why you didn't provide the full quote
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False, I merely posted the relevant points, so it would not distract you.

You are full of crap sir.
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Says the person who is claiming the article didn't quote someone repeatedly saying things like "leftist agenda" or "left wing media".

The fact is the hypocrisy is on full display. You, of course, don't want to acknowledge it because of your own biases. But it is there nonetheless.

It's patently obvious he was referring to the "news" media
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Patently obvious if you ignore all the times where he didn't. :roll:
but since it didn't fit with your agenda, you concocted your own interpretation by cherry picking parts of what he said.
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I didn't cherry pick anything, I pulled the relevant quotes because you obviously had a hard time understanding his message.

When a person has to resort to dishonesty to prop up their beliefs
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If only I could find a picture of a pot and kettle right now...

The topic is the biased mainstream NEWS MEDIA
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But his comments were not limited to that. As I have already proven.

You really need to learn the difference between political opinion and news
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I understand the difference just fine. I would suggest you take more time to comprehend what you read. It would really help in this thread. You are allowing your political bias to influence your position.

We both know you like to crusade against what you feel is "liberal bias" in the media. So perhaps you ought to reflect on how your crusade affects your ability to comprehend the breadth of what he said. He clearly did not limit his criticism at news media. He used the poll to attack "liberal media" at large. It is a common tactic in politics and it is very clear to anyone who reads his words objectively what he was intending.
 
Slyfox696 said:
False, I merely posted the relevant points, so it would not distract you.

Says the person who is claiming the article didn't quote someone repeatedly saying things like "leftist agenda" or "left wing media".

The fact is the hypocrisy is on full display. You, of course, don't want to acknowledge it because of your own biases. But it is there nonetheless.

Patently obvious if you ignore all the times where he didn't. :roll:
I didn't cherry pick anything, I pulled the relevant quotes because you obviously had a hard time understanding his message.

If only I could find a picture of a pot and kettle right now...



[/B]But his comments were not limited to that. As I have already proven.

I understand the difference just fine. I would suggest you take more time to comprehend what you read. It would really help in this thread. You are allowing your political bias to influence your position.

We both know you like to crusade against what you feel is "liberal bias" in the media. So perhaps you ought to reflect on how your crusade affects your ability to comprehend the breadth of what he said. He clearly did not limit his criticism at news media. He used the poll to attack "liberal media" at large. It is a common tactic in politics and it is very clear to anyone who reads his words objectively what he was intending.
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How sad it is that you have to parse words and ignore common sense to prop up your beliefs. You know exactly what he was talking about, but it's always politics before honesty with people like you.

It's that kind of partisan BS that's responsible for the divide that exists today.

Luckily
 
Grim17 said:
How sad it is that you have to parse words and ignore common sense to prop up your beliefs. You know exactly what he was talking about, but it's always politics before honesty with people like you.

It's that kind of partisan BS that's responsible for the divide that exists today.

Luckily
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I fail to see the Mainstream Media bias as a Democrat-Liberal/Republican-Conservative issue. The Media is backing the NWO driving forces and ergo supports, with twisted media, those candidates cooperating with the NWO/war hawks/MIC agenda. Trump is a threat to those lovely and profitable wars that are working well for the NWO forces. Clinton is/was their ally. The worm has turned, but the Mainstream Media is waiting for its' instructions on who to support and who to demonize. They will demonize Trump as long as he tries to end wars and promote civil relationships with Russia and China. Never underestimate the entrenchment in Media of Intelligence Agencies manipulating news to fit their covert agendas. UnAmerican, you say, absolutely, and should be stopped.
 
NonoBadDog said:
That is why we call them "the good ole days". I had a mentor when I was the VP of a local. He always told me, "Quit band aiding the system. Let it go full FUBAR so that someone will be forced to do their job." He was right. It might take them awhile tho.
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You should change your tag line to I VOTED TRUMP - THANKS JAMES COMEY.
 
Jack Hays said:
Hillary herself created the situation Comey had to deal with.
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Comey dealt with nothing that warranted his announcement. That was the point.
 
Anything that isn't blatant right propaganda is "media bias." We know, whiners.
 
GhostlyJoe said:
Anything that isn't blatant right propaganda is "media bias." We know, whiners.
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Clueless, arrogant pronouncements like this are part of the problem that liberals need to work on.
 
haymarket said:
Comey dealt with nothing that warranted his announcement. That was the point.
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Greetings, haymarket. :2wave:

You mean giving his oath to Congress that he would let everyone know if anything further was brought to his attention was not warranted, in your opinion? What an unusual comment for you to make, since the FBI didn't know about the emails on Weiner's laptop until after the original investigation was concluded, and the FBI didn't know what the new emails might contain until they looked at them.
 
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