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Trump's Media Defenders Abandoning Conservatism to Serve Him

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As predicted, the pull of tribalism is strong enough for Trump to split the conservative movement into those who value loyalty to the party over conservative principles, and those who do not. The mandated maternity leave is simply the latest incident (as would be expanding Medicaid).

Call it the Donald Trump Litmus Test. Time and again this campaign cycle, Trump's supporters in the media have changed their opinions on key conservative issues in order to support or defend the Republican presidential nominee. Viewpoints and policy proposals that were once anathema to them are now accepted and even celebrated. And that phenomenon has split the conservative media...

"Nine months ago, if you had asked Sarah Palin, Scott Brown, Jerry Falwell Jr., or Ann Coulter whether they would endorse a figure who takes the Code Pink, Michael Moore, MoveOn.org view of Iraq ('Bush lied, people died'), one suspects they all would have recoiled at the prospect," Last wrote at the time. "Yet in the hours after Trump insisted that George W. Bush intentionally lied the country into war, not one of the major figures who have endorsed him was willing to contradict his claim."

Last offers more recent exampes as well. For instance, he notes how conservative radio host Hugh Hewitt rushed to defend Trump's affinity for Vladimir Putin by arguing that Putin has "served his country's national interest" better than President Obama has served the U.S.

"It was as if Trumpism caused Hewitt to forget everything he knows about Madison, liberty, inalienable rights, and political philosophy," he wrote Wednesday. (Hewitt did not respond to a request for comment.)....

"At this point,... all people who aren't afraid to say they support Trump will fall in line behind almost anything he does."
 
Does Hillary offer them something better? We are long past the GOP primary where better choices were said to have existed.
 
I'm no fan of Trump, far from it. I've been blasting him for months. But damn in most cases many conservatives are no better.

This guy wants other Cons to defend Bush? Just for the sake of politics and protecting conservatives? WTF? If more conservatives criticized Bush and Cheney BS war maybe we'd mind our own business more and not have thousands killed and waste trillions in these useless wars.
 
As predicted, the pull of tribalism is strong enough for Trump to split the conservative movement into those who value loyalty to the party over conservative principles, and those who do not. The mandated maternity leave is simply the latest incident (as would be expanding Medicaid).

I remember when Trump attacked Jeb in the debate, I believe it was here before our primary, and said that his brother lied to get us into Iraq. I remember thinking at the time that any idiotic conservative who actually supported him in the first place was going to disavow that and finally understand what some of us were saying for months - that the man is not a conservative, never was a conservative, and never will be a conservative.

And then, lo and behold, some of these same conservatives cough*cough kept right on kissing up to the liberal fraud they threw their support behind. But in retrospect, I realize who some of the players are.....Sarah Palin (not real bright), Jerry Falwell (bigoted and not real bright), Sean Hannity (so partisan it hurts), and Ann Coulter (bigoted and filled with the same kind of anger as most Trump supporters), and I'm just not surprised.

As for Scott Brown, he's no conservative either, although, unlike Trump, the man actually is a Republican.

Sad to see Hewitt defending the Putin thing. There's simply no way to perfume that pig, and the fact that he actually tried to do it says a lot about him - and none of it is good.
 
As predicted, the pull of tribalism is strong enough for Trump to split the conservative movement into those who value loyalty to the party over conservative principles, and those who do not. The mandated maternity leave is simply the latest incident (as would be expanding Medicaid).
You've got to remember: This is a guy who until April or May and amid GOP primary backlash, was a long-time supporter of single-payer healthcare over many years!

He's a Chameleon - saying & doing whatever it takes to close the sale. Nobody knows him or what he'll do, until he assumes office.

But I wouldn't bet on him being a conservative, if I were putting my money down. Actually, I wouldn't bet on anything with him - because I don't know him, nor do I think does anyone else!
 
I remember when Trump attacked Jeb in the debate, I believe it was here before our primary, and said that his brother lied to get us into Iraq. I remember thinking at the time that any idiotic conservative who actually supported him in the first place was going to disavow that and finally understand what some of us were saying for months - that the man is not a conservative, never was a conservative, and never will be a conservative.

And then, lo and behold, some of these same conservatives cough*cough kept right on kissing up to the liberal fraud they threw their support behind. But in retrospect, I realize who some of the players are.....Sarah Palin (not real bright), Jerry Falwell (bigoted and not real bright), Sean Hannity (so partisan it hurts), and Ann Coulter (bigoted and filled with the same kind of anger as most Trump supporters), and I'm just not surprised.

As for Scott Brown, he's no conservative either, although, unlike Trump, the man actually is a Republican.

Sad to see Hewitt defending the Putin thing. There's simply no way to perfume that pig, and the fact that he actually tried to do it says a lot about him - and none of it is good.
Add Rush to that list, and you've pretty much got a "who's who" of those that give conservatism a bad name - to those of us that are not conservatives!
 
As predicted, the pull of tribalism is strong enough for Trump to split the conservative movement into those who value loyalty to the party over conservative principles, and those who do not.
I disagree with you. I think the problem is too many people who call themselves "conservative" seem to have no idea what they want that to mean. For the last 8 years, "conservatism" has simply meant "Do the opposite of what President Obama" says. This political stance was adopted by mainstream conservative media and it almost became trendy to not call oneself Republican (which is essentially what most were) but rather conservative. But when "conservative" didn't actually stand for anything, that's when you create the environment in which a Donald Trump can emerge.

It doesn't matter what Donald Trump says, it just matters he's the opposite of President Obama and Hillary Clinton. That's enough for so many people. And that's asinine. "Conservatives" (and I keep putting that word in quotes, because so many who identify as conservative really aren't) have done this magic trick over the last several years where they have essentially convinced themselves that Obama/Clinton are not people with whom they simply disagree, they are actually evil people. And because they have convinced themselves Obama/Clinton are evil and want to ruin America, they will latch onto ANYTHING (of any stance) which opposes them.

That's why we are where we are today. It's because so many who claim to be conservative really aren't, they are simply anti-Obama/Clinton. And that's why they'll flock to a Donald Trump, even if Donald Trump doesn't hold the values so many of those "conservatives" claimed they had.

This is why partisanship and party politics is so terrible and why I simply cannot stand it.
 
The truth is that so-called "conservatives" have always been a bunch of unprincipled phonies. It's no surprise to me that these BS "small government" poseurs who want the government to ban abortion, force children to pray and make it harder to vote would abandon their non-existent principles to support Trump

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As predicted, the pull of tribalism is strong enough for Trump to split the conservative movement into those who value loyalty to the party over conservative principles, and those who do not. The mandated maternity leave is simply the latest incident (as would be expanding Medicaid).

When is the last time we had a Conservative win the nomination?

Romney? No.

McCain? No.

Bush 43? No.

Dole? No.

Bush 41? No.

So... We have a guy who isn't a Conservative but talks about:

A Wall.

Illegal Immigration.

Jobs. That 3-letter word according to Biden.

Strong Military.

Tax Reductions.

I don't know what Conservatives are bitching about.

As for his take on the Iraq War... I disagree with him, but y'know what? He wants to rid us of ISIS. Fine.

He doesn't have to be a Conservative... Not now, and especially not after 8-years of Marx in the White House, followed by Hillary, another Numbskull, corrupt, Socialist.

And "Conservatives" were massive ******s when it came to taking on the tsunami of Illegal Immigration... And RINO's have been for it.

You want Hillary and her freight trains of corruption, Socialism, and anti-Americanism... Then keep talking about what Trump might not be... Which I don't get. He nails every major issue in the right way, and he's not beholden to anyone...

What more do you want?
 
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Add Rush to that list, and you've pretty much got a "who's who" of those that give conservatism a bad name - to those of us that are not conservatives!

One man's chameleon is another man's candidate seeing problems as having multiple possible solutions. The difference is, one doesn't have handlers keeping the candidate squeezed into one agreed upon, vetted and poll tested outcome promise, when in reality, the President says "I want" and the Congress says "This is what we can do".
 
When is the last time we had a Conservative win the nomination?

Bush II.

Romney? No.

McCain? No.

Sure. Neither of them were great. Both, however, had strengths. Trump has none. Both had relevant experience that would enable them to govern. Trump has none. Both were decent human beings. Trump is a dumpster fire.

So... We have a guy who isn't a Conservative but talks about:

A Wall.

You mean the virtual wall?

Illegal Immigration.

Yeah. Which he has consistently been liberal on, before deciding 14 months ago that he would run a campaign based on conning low-information suckers.


Everyone talks about Jobs, zimmer. Trump has no idea how to produce jobs from a position of public policy. The last time we tried his idiotic ideas, it helped lead to the Great Depression.


Strong Military.

A strong military!?! Gee wiz, that's much better than all the candidates running on having a weak military!!!



Trump: "Let's have more good stuff, but less bad stuff"
Trump Fans: "FINALLY!!! Good Solid Detailed Policy Proposals!!! Why Has No One Thought Of This Before?!?"

Tax Reductions.

Quick: which candidate said this during this Presidential Race?

You Bet We're Going To Raise Taxes On The Rich

?

I don't know what Conservatives are bitching about.

Expanding Medicaid, Actually giving up on immigration (and he will). Expanding the role and power of the federal government. Increasing the centralization of government. Destructive trade policies. Idiotic and destructive foreign policies. Leaving abortion laws the way they are. Fan of the Obamacare mandate. Refuses to reform entitlements. Wants the government to pick winners and losers in the market place. Fan of Single Payer.

I can go on. The only difference between Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump is that she's more corrupt, and he's more crazy.

What do Conservatives have? We have an unwillingness to vote for big-government liberal progressives with toxic personalities and the self-control of a toddler. That apparently isn't a problem for you - good luck with it.



As for his take on the Iraq War... I disagree with him, but y'know what? He wants to rid us of ISIS.

Everyone wants to get rid of ISIS, zimmer. Trump has no idea how, and has zero interest in learning. He is less informed and less capable of making wise decisions than Barack Obama was at this point.

He doesn't have to be a Conservative...

That's right, he doesn't. He can be whatever he wants to be (and he is, which is why he changes from moment to moment)

Not now, and especially not after 8-years of Marx in the White House, followed by Hillary, another Numbskull, corrupt, Socialist.

:lol: so you want to vote for a different numskull corrupt socialist instead, but one who will wreck conservatism and do lasting, generational damage to the GOP in the process. Yeah. That's a winning argument.

And "Conservatives" were massive ******s when it came to taking on the tsunami of Illegal Immigration... And RINO's have been for it.

What, you mean like the guy who was going on national television to attack Romney from the left (Romney. From the left) on the issue? The guy who told the Dreamers that they had convinced him? People like him.

You want Hillary and her freight trains of corruption, Socialism, and anti-Americanism... Then keep talking about what Trump might not be... Which I don't get. He nails every major issue in the right way, and he's not beholden to anyone...


....except the major Wall Street Banks and the Russians ;)

What more do you want?

There were 16 candidates, and I probably could have voted for 14 of them. But I will not vote for a liberal big government progressive whose abusiveness and arrogance are matched only by his ignorance.
 
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