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Minimum wage goes up, jobs go bye-bye.

This is very simple.

Companies do not throw money away, and robots reduce the need for skinware... Humans doing jobs. When they can replace humans with machines they will... In the name of profit.

Profit is good. It secures jobs, and allows for investment in economic expansion.

Again the burger machine in the example is not replacing anyone because someone still has to load the machine, maintain,clean and or repair the machine, take the food to the customer. A machine in this case would be a waste of money.
 
Well... You have failed to read any of the ample proof that clearly illustrates minimum wage increases cause higher unemployment. Just as ObamaKare had negative effects on employment.

Cause... Effect. Nothing happens in a vacuum, except in some Leftist pinhead brain scratching out a theory on paper.

In the real world, actions have consequences, and Leftists have a nasty habit of enacting theory which screws royally those they claim to want to "help".
Uh, there are multiple meta-studies on the effects of MW on UE, I gave you one, there is another involving 64 studies.....both have a convergence to zero UE increases, so don't tell me I don't look at the data, I have, for years. You didn't even both to counter the link.

As the minimum wage kept getting raised, so did the unemployment rate for black 17-year-old males. In 1971 it was 33.4 percent — and it has never been under 30 percent since then. It has often been over 40 percent and, occasionally, over 50 percent. But people who advocate minimum-wage laws seldom show any interest in the actual consequences of such laws, which include many idle young males on the streets, which does no good for them or for their communities.
So wrong, black teen UE has dipped below 30% a number of times, the correlation is not MW, but RECESSIONS.


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How does Germany compare in standard of living if it were a US State?
In the bottom 5.
Nuts!

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Uh, there are multiple meta-studies on the effects of MW on UE, I gave you one, there is another involving 64 studies.....both have a convergence to zero UE increases, so don't tell me I don't look at the data, I have, for years. You didn't even both to counter the link.

So wrong, black teen UE has dipped below 30% a number of times, the correlation is not MW, but RECESSIONS.


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Spent significant time in 7 of the countries on the list above the US, and all I can say is that list is ****ing laughable. It's Gong Show funny. Even the Europeans know it.

Swedes at Timbro did a study comparing living standards between the US and EU, and the top 5 EU countries would have been the bottom 5 US states. That's reality... And I don't have to read a study about it... I've lived it, and am living it.

The US is first by miles and miles...
There is no second place...
What follows is a miserable third... At best.

Typed from my iPad Pro in cool, rainy Central Europe.

If minimum wage hikes improve things, why not raise it another $5?
Raising the minimum wage hurts folks at the bottom. It's proven, and only common sense.
 
Spent significant time in 7 of the countries on the list above the US, and all I can say is that list is ****ing laughable. It's Gong Show funny. Even the Europeans know it.

Swedes at Timbro did a study comparing living standards between the US and EU, and the top 5 EU countries would have been the bottom 5 US states. That's reality... And I don't have to read a study about it... I've lived it, and am living it.

The US is first by miles and miles...
There is no second place...
What follows is a miserable third... At best.

Typed from my iPad Pro in cool, rainy Central Europe.

If minimum wage hikes improve things, why not raise it another $5?
Raising the minimum wage hurts folks at the bottom. It's proven, and only common sense.

"Even the Europeans know it"? So THAT's why they're immigrating to America in droves!

Oh, wait...you mean they're NOT immigrating to America in droves? "By their actions shall ye know them."

What happened in your post, sir, is that you looked at what you saw in those other nations and compared them with what YOU thought should be a proper standard of living. You didn't realize that having a big house with a big fridge and a two-car garage and a big yard in suburbia (or some other form of what you think is the "American Dream")...you didn't realize that while all that's nice to have, other people just might not see that as preferable or desirable at all, especially given what we do in order to have those things.

What you didn't realize is that what the Europeans have is not "things" like I listed above, but TIME. They work significantly fewer hours than we do, which means that the parents spend MUCH more time with their kids. They have MUCH better vacation policies than we do...which means that they (and their kids) get to spend even more quality time with each other. They have MUCH better sick leave policies than we do...which means that they aren't forced to make a choice between staying home when sick or paying the mortgage. Perhaps as importantly, in most of Europe, owning a car is NOT a necessity, as it mostly is here in America. One can travel quite comfortably all over Europe (more cheaply than here in America, mind you) without having to pay car payments and auto insurance and whatnot. In America, being "car-poor" or "house-poor" due to exorbitant payments is a very real thing. In Europe, not so much.

Give me a choice between (1) a nice house in suburbia with all the trappings, or (2) greatly-increased TIME with my family, with greatly-increased opportunity to travel where we want to go...

...I'd choose the latter every time.

And you notice that I didn't even bring up the much-higher violent crime rates here in America. Again, it's a difference in paradigms: the American says, "why would I want to live in a country where I couldn't have a gun to defend my family?", whereas the Brit says, "why would I want to live in a country where I even needed a gun to defend my family?"

Your personal perceptions do not necessarily reflect the reality of what "standards of living" truly entail.
 
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Spent significant time in 7 of the countries on the list above the US, and all I can say is that list is ****ing laughable. It's Gong Show funny. Even the Europeans know it.

Swedes at Timbro did a study comparing living standards between the US and EU, and the top 5 EU countries would have been the bottom 5 US states. That's reality... And I don't have to read a study about it... I've lived it, and am living it.

The US is first by miles and miles...
There is no second place...
What follows is a miserable third... At best.

Typed from my iPad Pro in cool, rainy Central Europe.

If minimum wage hikes improve things, why not raise it another $5?
Raising the minimum wage hurts folks at the bottom. It's proven, and only common sense.

Yer argument on MW is absurd, increased income does nothing but improve conditions for the low quintile.

You won't link to TIMBRO, but I found it.They are a neoliberal outfit and their paper concerned EU growth since 07, their remedy is...surprise...tax cuts. They don't recognize the damage done by austerity, its effect and causing the weaker (than the US) recovery. It wasn't focused on living standards, per say.
 
People have to live on government handouts, because government is in the way... Stifling growth and prosperity.

... Government is in the way of people not getting paid enough because of profit margins in the 21st century? Lol. Seriously, I've heard you give out canned responses, but this time, it's just too canned.
 
... Government is in the way of people not getting paid enough because of profit margins in the 21st century? Lol. Seriously, I've heard you give out canned responses, but this time, it's just too canned.

LOL... Leftist government intervention in the job market always harms those the Leftist claims to assist.

Look at ObamaKare... You want to saddle employers with increased costs??? ...they find a way to relieve themselves of the burden. Meaning many lost full-time employment.

Tell me, how in the world does increasing wages make it more likely for a company to hire someone?

Why not increase wage another $5.00 if it's a prosperity and employment generator?

Why not?
 
"Even the Europeans know it"? So THAT's why they're immigrating to America in droves!

Oh, wait...you mean they're NOT immigrating to America in droves? "By their actions shall ye know them."

What happened in your post, sir, is that you looked at what you saw in those other nations and compared them with what YOU thought should be a proper standard of living. You didn't realize that having a big house with a big fridge and a two-car garage and a big yard in suburbia (or some other form of what you think is the "American Dream")...you didn't realize that while all that's nice to have, other people just might not see that as preferable or desirable at all, especially given what we do in order to have those things.

What you didn't realize is that what the Europeans have is not "things" like I listed above, but TIME. They work significantly fewer hours than we do, which means that the parents spend MUCH more time with their kids. They have MUCH better vacation policies than we do...which means that they (and their kids) get to spend even more quality time with each other. They have MUCH better sick leave policies than we do...which means that they aren't forced to make a choice between staying home when sick or paying the mortgage. Perhaps as importantly, in most of Europe, owning a car is NOT a necessity, as it mostly is here in America. One can travel quite comfortably all over Europe (more cheaply than here in America, mind you) without having to pay car payments and auto insurance and whatnot. In America, being "car-poor" or "house-poor" due to exorbitant payments is a very real thing. In Europe, not so much.

Give me a choice between (1) a nice house in suburbia with all the trappings, or (2) greatly-increased TIME with my family, with greatly-increased opportunity to travel where we want to go...

...I'd choose the latter every time.

And you notice that I didn't even bring up the much-higher violent crime rates here in America. Again, it's a difference in paradigms: the American says, "why would I want to live in a country where I couldn't have a gun to defend my family?", whereas the Brit says, "why would I want to live in a country where I even needed a gun to defend my family?"

Your personal perceptions do not necessarily reflect the reality of what "standards of living" truly entail.

Your comments illustrate your total lack of knowledge about the EU, and even the US.

Europeans have and continue to emigrate. 4.8 million came to the US in 2014... Alone.
European Immigrants in the United States | migrationpolicy.org
More would leave for the US, but it's damn difficult to get a green card.

The total of Americans living abroad in the EU (non military) is 800,000.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emigration_from_the_United_States
The only reason to move to Europe is if you're wealthy and can land in The Channel Islands (near impossible), or Switzerland, where you'll find wealthy, mobile EUers and North Americans like Tina Turner, Phil Collins, Sebastian Vettel, Kimi Raikonen, Shania Twain, Michael Schumacher, etc.

Standard of living? I've split my life between both continents. Standard of living... not even close. The US is so far ahead it's staggering.

I'll admit, Europeans have better ice cream, butter, bread, cheese and beer, but the US has caught up in many of these areas during my last 31-years split between the two continents. The remainder... ROTFLOL... Not close.

If quality of life is better, why is the EU divorce rate so high? Why is unemployment throughout the EU so high? Why have countries lost their sovereignty, and vast chunks of the populous are fed up and looking to exit the EU? If all is so great?

Want to educate your kids? In some EU countries it's illegal.

Separation of church and state? Well, the tax authorities will take your money in the form of a church tax. No separation of church and state.

Yes, violence is higher in the US... A lot of it fits right into the Pareto Principle... Is caused by the gang banger types. And... These festering sewers of criminality have been run by Libs for decades.

Europeans should have learned... the US may have lost some lives due to gun violence, but Europe, right I their backyard has lost tens of millions because the people were denied the right to bear arms.

More than 3-decades split between the two continents, from north to south allows me to comment accurately about the differences in quality of life in both places. It's not close.

I only wish Leftists could be sent here to live for a decade. Then their song would change. It helped convert me from a clueless Leftist to a Conservative.
 
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