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Fox News kicks ass again............Scoreboard: Monday, August 1

BrewerBob said:
And I was a Republican voting conservative when I was young. Then after a 20 year career in the Army, 18 of which were overseas, I was voting Green Party. Trading anecdotes is fun. ;)
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Yeah, I considered myself conservative as early as 5th grade up through junior year of high school. From 18-21 I considered myself a right-libertarian and then from 22-30(now) I have been a left-libertarian. I guess the rules don't apply to all.
 
Grim17 said:
Some people grow up, while others never do.
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Those that never do are called Trump supporters.

But in all seriousness the whole "if you're not a liberal when you're young you have no heart... blah blah blah" has no basis in reality.

It's a bunch of nonsense.
 
Grim17 said:
It's reality, not some platitude.

Some people grow up, while others never do.
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They are platitudes whether you like it or not. Just because you and your mother had certain experiences that made you both see the world a certain way does not mean someone with similar experiences wouldn't see things differently.

People who are older than you... let's say born in 1952, vote Democrat 51% of the time. They experienced the Hippie Revolution as much as anyone, yet they still leaned "liberal" in 2012.
 
American said:
Scoreboard: Monday, August 1 | TVNewser

I think the Left is secretly watching Fox. :lol:
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The Right is generally older, and as such, is more likely to get its news from the television. Besides, the Right thinks it's only got one network on its side - Fox - and so most of them cluster to that one network...whereas those of us on the left, or who are independent, tend to be younger, and we're not nearly so hidebound to one network for news - we get it not just from the cable channels you listed, but ABC/NBC/CBS, too. Add them up all together, and you'll get a better idea of what independents and democrats and liberals watch...and you'll find out there's a LOT more of us than there are Republicans and conservatives.
 
Glen Contrarian said:
The Right is generally older, and as such, is more likely to get its news from the television. Besides, the Right thinks it's only got one network on its side - Fox - and so most of them cluster to that one network...whereas those of us on the left, or who are independent, tend to be younger, and we're not nearly so hidebound to one network for news - we get it not just from the cable channels you listed, but ABC/NBC/CBS, too. Add them up all together, and you'll get a better idea of what independents and democrats and liberals watch...and you'll find out there's a LOT more of us than there are Republicans and conservatives.
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You'll have to forgive him. He gets a woody every time he reads anything about Fox ratings. You'll only ruin his fantasy if you throw in facts.
 
Jetboogieman said:
But in all seriousness the whole "if you're not a liberal when you're young you have no heart... blah blah blah" has no basis in reality.
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I never said nor implied that. In fact, I would say it's quite the opposite.

Simply stated, most people when they're young are liberal... I know I was. They see the problems of the world and truly want to fix them. They target what they see as the enemy, or root of the problem and adopt what they believe to be the solutions to those problems, not having the life experience to see the inherent flaws they contain. They simply can't see how many of those solutions they adopt, will end up either failing or creating even bigger problems in the future. I was the same way when I was younger. I just didn't have the life experience or understanding of human nature to see the repercussions and long term negative effects of many of the changes I embraced and supported.

My post you commented on was in response to someone who dismissed that with age, comes wisdom, and instead labeled the older people in our society as people who are simply afraid of change.

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Geoist said:
It tells me older generations grew up in a more conservative society and are used to it. Instinctually, human beings are afraid of change. It has nothing to do with "wisdom" as you seem to imply.
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It does... I know myself and many people that were liberal when younger and became more and more conservative as we got older...
 
Geoist said:
Like I said, instinctually humans are afraid of change and that becomes clear as they grow older and witness those changes.
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If we were fearful we would start out conservative... hence the flaw in your reasoning.
 
Geoist said:
Some, like myself, have become more liberal as we grew older.

Take gay rights for example. Most young kids of the 80s and 90s looked down on homosexuals or anyone who is "different." When those kids got older they began to embrace the difference and honor the rights of others.
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So which is it? You repeatedly say we are fearful of change as we get older then you turn around and talk about kids getting older and embracing change?
 
Geoist said:
They are platitudes whether you like it or not. Just because you and your mother had certain experiences that made you both see the world a certain way does not mean someone with similar experiences wouldn't see things differently.

People who are older than you... let's say born in 1952, vote Democrat 51% of the time. They experienced the Hippie Revolution as much as anyone, yet they still leaned "liberal" in 2012.
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Your argument is that elderly conservatives are afraid of change and that's just nonsense. The elderly in America today have witnessed and lived through more social and technological change than any generation in American history. They have seen both the good and the bad that those changes have had on American society, giving them a wisdom that only comes through experience.

In my case for instance, I was told about American life before, during and after WWII and have studied it extensively. But no matter how much information I gather, I can never fully understand or feel it, because I wasn't there and didn't live it myself. There is no substitute for life experience. It instills a wisdom that younger people simply don't have and can't possess.
 
Geoist said:
It tells me older generations grew up in a more conservative society and are used to it. Instinctually, human beings are afraid of change. It has nothing to do with "wisdom" as you seem to imply.
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Not always true..........maybe I do hang out with a unique circle of friends, but we all accept change. The world is for the living, and we are all on the 3rd stages of living, and know that times and events will have it's affect on the younger folks.

There is some wisdom among my hooligan friends.
 
Grim17 said:
Your argument is that elderly conservatives are afraid of change and that's just nonsense. The elderly in America today have witnessed and lived through more social and technological change than any generation in American history. They have seen both the good and the bad that those changes have had on American society, giving them a wisdom that only comes through experience.

In my case for instance, I was told about American life before, during and after WWII and have studied it extensively. But no matter how much information I gather, I can never fully understand or feel it, because I wasn't there and didn't live it myself. There is no substitute for life experience. It instills a wisdom that younger people simply don't have and can't possess.
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We are so afraid of change, right? The older people are the policy makers and obviously we still drive horse drawn carriages cared for by our slaves and read by candle light....
 
Network news is for seniors...literally - and their producers know it. Do you really think it is going to be hard hitting, edgy and tough? Not a chance.

'Through Dec. 15 (which was the day of the last GOP debate), CNN’s median age was 61 years old for total day, and 59 years old for prime time (Monday-Sunday). MSNBC’s audience is two years older, at 63 (for both total day and prime time), while FNC’s is 67 for total day and 68 in prime time. For both MSNBC and FNC that’s the oldest level on record in both dayparts.'

Who’s Got the Oldest Cable News Audience? | TVNewser


People? If you want accurate news...you have GOT TO (with very few exceptions) go to the internet. And it is not in one place. You have to look at various sites and cross reference with them all to get at the truth...or as close to it as is available.

But for absolutely certain you will not find it on major network news sources...not even close.
 
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Geoist said:
Old people watch a lot of tv.

Old people are overwhelmingly conservative.

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And often cant find or figure out the remote.. so stay on one channel :)
 
Carleen said:
Faux still applies. Does not make me stupid. Cheap shot.
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Calling Fox News "Faux News" is what Keith Olbermann did before he got fired. Those who watched him would say "Faux News" (as well as "neocon") incessantly. He's gone. He's been gone for years which is why no one else says that anymore.

I didn't say you WERE stupid, I said that using that word makes you SEEM stupid.
 
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