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I'm trying my utmost to not devolve into Conspiracy Theory, but the DNC is challengin

Re: I'm trying my utmost to not devolve into Conspiracy Theory, but the DNC is challe

No it is not. Their job is to listen to and obey the will of the goddamned people.

And to nominate the candidate that gets the most delegates in the voting, right? The will of the people is what voting is about. The DNC does not vote.
 
Re: I'm trying my utmost to not devolve into Conspiracy Theory, but the DNC is challe

Of course all of us know, it's just that you're not supposed to get caught.
If you do, better hold your britches, because you're going to have hell to pay.

Why wouldn't the DNC want to get caught working to get behind what it thinks is a better candidate? If you think it's unfair, so be it but it isn't something parties are secretive about.
 
Re: I'm trying my utmost to not devolve into Conspiracy Theory, but the DNC is challe

He's probably just drunk again. Or he may be in a perpetual state of drunkenness.

Perpetual drunkeness......sounds like the weekend.
 
Re: I'm trying my utmost to not devolve into Conspiracy Theory, but the DNC is challe

And to nominate the candidate that gets the most delegates in the voting, right? The will of the people is what voting is about. The DNC does not vote.

Unless that person's leadership and ethics are called into question.
This is far beyond that.
 
Re: I'm trying my utmost to not devolve into Conspiracy Theory, but the DNC is challe

Of course all of us know, it's just that you're not supposed to get caught.
If you do, better hold your britches, because you're going to have hell to pay.

The RNC and Republicans didn't seem to care about getting caught throughout the past 6 months - in fact, they publicized their desire for someone to beat out Trump. That could be a reason why he won.
 
Re: I'm trying my utmost to not devolve into Conspiracy Theory, but the DNC is challe

Why wouldn't the DNC want to get caught working to get behind what it thinks is a better candidate? If you think it's unfair, so be it but it isn't something parties are secretive about.

It's in their rules not to favor a specific candidate for president.
If they don't like it, they should change it, amirite?
 
Re: I'm trying my utmost to not devolve into Conspiracy Theory, but the DNC is challe

A political party doing what it can to get its preferred members elected is, basically, just like Hitler.

Apparently :shock:
 
Re: I'm trying my utmost to not devolve into Conspiracy Theory, but the DNC is challe

The RNC and Republicans didn't seem to care about getting caught throughout the past 6 months - in fact, they publicized their desire for someone to beat out Trump. That could be a reason why he won.

Yea but was it the party specifically or just certain individuals associated with the party?
Do they have the same rules as the DNC does about not officially supporting one Pres candidate over another?
 
Re: I'm trying my utmost to not devolve into Conspiracy Theory, but the DNC is challe

What is absurd is that people can openly oppose Democracy and give We The People the middle finger. And the "it is their job" excuse is a piss-poor and morally deficient one at that.

Your emotional appeal aside, we the people don't actually run the party and never have. We vote for the party because it promotes a specific set of policies. We don't own it nor do we set the agenda on the people that the party believes are best and chooses to promote. Our only input we have in the equation with the party are our votes. If they support X candidate, the party has no choice but to put its resources into that candidate or risk losing an election.

That said, Sanders lost. The party, as a whole, was under NO obligation to back him in the primaries. You'd have to not understand politics to not see this. In short, Sanders didn't appeal to the party and failed to get its backing. This was PATENTLY obvious in the delegate run. Delegates, Senators, Governors simply didn't line up to Sanders and chose Hillary.

You'd have to not understand how politics work to not understand this.
 
Re: I'm trying my utmost to not devolve into Conspiracy Theory, but the DNC is challe

Yea but was it the party specifically or just certain individuals associated with the party?
Do they have the same rules as the DNC does about not officially supporting one Pres candidate over another?

I couldn't say - I'm just going on what has been reported in the news the past few months.
 
Re: I'm trying my utmost to not devolve into Conspiracy Theory, but the DNC is challe

Unless that person's leadership and ethics are called into question.
This is far beyond that.

So in reality you don't want the "will of the people" to decide? Good luck with that.
 
Re: I'm trying my utmost to not devolve into Conspiracy Theory, but the DNC is challe

It's in their rules not to favor a specific candidate for president.
If they don't like it, they should change it, amirite?

You do realize that this would make the delegate process meaningless, yes? If the party can't take sides why seek out endorsements? I don't think you actually grasp party politics HG.
 
Re: I'm trying my utmost to not devolve into Conspiracy Theory, but the DNC is challe

You do realize that this would make the delegate process meaningless, yes? If the party can't take sides why seek out endorsements? I don't think you actually grasp party politics HG.

Then they need to change their rules.
They aren't my rules, I did not make those rules.

Maybe they don't understand their rules?
 
Re: I'm trying my utmost to not devolve into Conspiracy Theory, but the DNC is challe

I couldn't say - I'm just going on what has been reported in the news the past few months.

What's being reported isn't everything.
There is also alleged collusion between the DNC and Politico, MSNBC and some other reporters.
 
Re: I'm trying my utmost to not devolve into Conspiracy Theory, but the DNC is challe

Then they need to change their rules.

I don't think you understand the rules when you fail to realize that the party taking sides happens. Can you show me this impartiality clause in the party rules?
 
Re: I'm trying my utmost to not devolve into Conspiracy Theory, but the DNC is challe

I don't think you understand the rules when you fail to realize that the party taking sides happens. Can you show me this impartiality clause in the party rules?

I do, individual super delegates can side with whom they wish.
It's an insider giveaway, however the DNC chair is supposed to be impartial.

I've been reading through links all day, I had it earlier, I dunno if I'm going to search for it much longer.
 
Re: I'm trying my utmost to not devolve into Conspiracy Theory, but the DNC is challe

So in reality you don't want the "will of the people" to decide? Good luck with that.

Your emotional appeal aside, we the people don't actually run the party and never have. We vote for the party because it promotes a specific set of policies. We don't own it nor do we set the agenda on the people that the party believes are best and chooses to promote. Our only input we have in the equation with the party are our votes. If they support X candidate, the party has no choice but to put its resources into that candidate or risk losing an election.

That said, Sanders lost. The party, as a whole, was under NO obligation to back him in the primaries. You'd have to not understand politics to not see this. In short, Sanders didn't appeal to the party and failed to get its backing. This was PATENTLY obvious in the delegate run. Delegates, Senators, Governors simply didn't line up to Sanders and chose Hillary.

You'd have to not understand how politics work to not understand this.

^ Your arguments cancel each other out.

And this article delivers some extra pain.

Debbie Wasserman Schultz Served Class Action Lawsuit for Rigging Primaries

This is the first of many consequences the Democratic Party will face for manipulating millions of voters
By Michael Sainato • 06/30/16 11:30am

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“There are essentially six legal claims we are asserting in this lawsuit on behalf of the composed class members,” said attorney Jared Beck in a YouTube video announcing the lawsuit. “The first is a claim for fraud—against the DNC and Debbie Wasserman Schultz—based on the revelations from the recent Guccifer 2.0 documents purportedly taken from the DNC’s own computer network.” The Guccifer 2.0 documents include internal memos in which the DNC broke legally binding neutrality agreements in the Democratic primaries by strategizing to make Hillary Clinton the nominee before a single vote was cast.

This lawsuit is our effort as attorneys to give a voice, in the political system, to all those who have been defrauded by the conduct of the DNC in supporting and promoting Hillary Clinton’s candidacy in violation of its own charter which requires it to be neutral,” added attorney Jeff Beck. The class of representatives in the class action lawsuit is currently in the thousands and continuing to grow, as any donor to Bernie Sanders’ campaign eligible to join. The Beck & Lee Law Firm has set up a Facebook Page with updates on the progress of the lawsuit.


 
Re: I'm trying my utmost to not devolve into Conspiracy Theory, but the DNC is challe

^ Your arguments cancel each other out.

I stated the party doesn't have to support one candidate over another. It can provide lukewarm support for a candidate like it did with Romney even once the 'vote of the people' has been cast. This is no secret. iguanaman argues that 'we the people' voted much in the same manner as the party had leaned from the get go so it's clear that you don't care either way what 'we the people want'. These two arguments address different areas of your ignorant outrage.
 
Re: I'm trying my utmost to not devolve into Conspiracy Theory, but the DNC is challe

No it is not. Their job is to listen to and obey the will of the goddamned people.

And In the democratic primary, 13 million people voted for one candidate, while 10 million voted for the other.
 
Re: I'm trying my utmost to not devolve into Conspiracy Theory, but the DNC is challe

And In the democratic primary, 13 million people voted for one candidate, while 10 million voted for the other.

Refer to the source I posted.
 
Re: I'm trying my utmost to not devolve into Conspiracy Theory, but the DNC is challe

Refer to the source I posted.

I did.

And i am simply stating the fact that Hilliary Clinton got more votes than Bernie sander's did in the primary.

Yes, the DNC was in favor of Clinton, but do these emails talk about tampering with ballots or stuffing ballot boxes?
 
Re: I'm trying my utmost to not devolve into Conspiracy Theory, but the DNC is challe

Conspiracy? Did you miss the "JournoList" conspiracy that helped President Obama get elected.

"JournoList (sometimes referred to as the J-List)[1] was a private Google Groups forum for discussing politics and the news media with 400 "left-leaning"[2] journalists, academics and others. Ezra Klein created the online forum in February 2007 while blogging at The American Prospect and shut it down on June 25, 2010 amid wider public exposure."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JournoList
 
Re: I'm trying my utmost to not devolve into Conspiracy Theory, but the DNC is challe

I did.

And i am simply stating the fact that Hilliary Clinton got more votes than Bernie sander's did in the primary.

Yes, the DNC was in favor of Clinton, but do these emails talk about tampering with ballots or stuffing ballot boxes?

The DNC wasn't just in favor of Clinton, they actively stacked the odds in her favor. Allocating her 400+ delegates before any ballots were even CAST is like, tantamount to the worst possible case of ballot box-stuffing, because that's pretty much what those superdelegates and the DNC did. (Lol HilLIARy)...
 
Re: I'm trying my utmost to not devolve into Conspiracy Theory, but the DNC is challe

This OP and some of the comments in this thread make me wonder if the majority of people actually understand politics.

Both the RNC and the DNC are in the business of getting party members elected to various elected offices nationally, statewide, and locally, from dog catcher to President of the United States. And by so doing, they generate party revenue that allows them to try to buy/affect other elections into the future. It's not their job to follow the expressed will of the people - it's their job to sway the will of the people to the extent that they will agree with their position on any number of issues and thus elect one of their party members to positions where they may be able to affect change or enact legislation that meets the parties' objectives and in the process give them money to do it.

These emails aren't any big surprise. Hell, Priebus and the RNC have been vocally and actively trying to crash the Trump express for the past year and they failed. Others in the party have continued to try to do that even when the RNC and Priebus gave up trying and moved to try to consolidate support behind a Trump candidacy and make the best of a bad hand.

It's no wonder we get such poor candidates for high office when so many people are naïve about the purposes of party politics.

Charter and By Laws of the Democratic National Party; Article 5, Section 4:


Section 4. The National Chairperson shall serve full time and shall receive such compensation as may be determined by agreement between the Chairperson and the Democratic National Committee. In the conduct and management of the affairs and procedures of the Democratic National Committee, particularly as they apply to the preparation and conduct of the Presidential nomination process, the Chairperson shall exercise impartiality and evenhandedness as between the Presidential candidates and campaigns. The Chairperson shall be responsible for ensuring that the national officers and staff of the Democratic National Committee maintain impartiality and evenhandedness during the Democratic Party Presidential nominating process.
 
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