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Possibly Gay Muslim Democrat Murders People. NY Times Blames... Republicans

I've linked this a couple of times in different contexts, but it's a thought-piece worth re-mentioning here:

I Can Tolerate Anything Except The Outgroup

...The Red Tribe is most classically typified by conservative political beliefs, strong evangelical religious beliefs, creationism, opposing gay marriage, owning guns, eating steak, drinking Coca-Cola, driving SUVs, watching lots of TV, enjoying American football, getting conspicuously upset about terrorists and commies, marrying early, divorcing early, shouting “USA IS NUMBER ONE!!!”, and listening to country music. The Blue Tribe is most classically typified by liberal political beliefs, vague agnosticism, supporting gay rights, thinking guns are barbaric, eating arugula, drinking fancy bottled water, driving Priuses, reading lots of books, being highly educated, mocking American football, feeling vaguely like they should like soccer but never really being able to get into it, getting conspicuously upset about sexists and bigots, marrying later, constantly pointing out how much more civilized European countries are than America, and listening to “everything except country”....

Anyway, three months ago, someone finally had the bright idea of doing an Implicit Association Test with political parties, and they found that people’s unconscious partisan biases were half again as strong as their unconscious racial biases (h/t Bloomberg. For example, if you are a white Democrat, your unconscious bias against blacks (as measured by something called a d-score) is 0.16, but your unconscious bias against Republicans will be 0.23. The Cohen’s d for racial bias was 0.61, by the book a “moderate” effect size; for party it was 0.95, a “large” effect size... if you’re part of the Blue Tribe, then your outgroup isn’t al-Qaeda, or Muslims, or blacks, or gays, or transpeople, or Jews, or atheists – it’s the Red Tribe.... The outgroup of the Red Tribe is occasionally blacks and gays and Muslims, more often the Blue Tribe. The Blue Tribe has performed some kind of very impressive act of alchemy, and transmuted all of its outgroup hatred to the Red Tribe....

That's interesting. It's just a theory, but I think when a tribe doesn't have a leader, the other side will usually attack the whole tribe. For instance, Obama has been the leader of the Blue tribe and most of the vicious attacks have been directed towards him. Whereas the Red Tribe hasn't had a leader since Bush, so most of the attacks are directed at the whole tribe.
 
leftists are seemingly incapable of accepting responsibility for their actions, hence why societies they run tend to fail; it's difficult to fix a problem you refuse to see. that mindset is not good for running an economy, which works based on reality not feelings.

Democrat logic; Drunk Driver killed your son? Ban cars!

Democrat logic; Gay Muslim Democrat killed Gays? Ban Hate Speech/Ar-15s, but a religion which advocates killing Gays is fine...and somehow not hate speech.

Democrat logic; Work for a living? You're the problem, now give us all your money.

Democrat logic; Businesses are shutting down? How dare those greedy scum not bankrupt themselves attempting to navigate our sea of regulations.

Real logic; What the hell is wrong with you people?

Wake up people, would you really want your 6 year-old who won't even admit she spilled the milk she's covered in, running America?

Baloney.

Republican logic: what you don't know...just make it up and then believe it.
 
False. The Republican party supports the traditionalist interpretation of the Constitution that values individual liberty and limited government. Islam is both a religion and a form of government that is anathema to the US Constitution.

For an Islamist to make inroads into the US it is a much shorter trip through the DNC as they already advocate a huge, overbearing Government that is required for a theocracy.



Not xenophobic, culturephobic. The cultures of oppressive failed states shouldn't be embraced in America.

Republicans embrace people from all over the world of all colors who agree with their small government, "American Way" and individual liberty political view. You know, the ones Democrats like to call "Uncle Toms".



Except that the modern liberals are anything but liberal. Today they are true believers in the authoritarian state.



Not really. Progressivism runs close to the goals of the political side of Islam, but many want nothing to do with American multiculturalism.



Big oppressive government. Progressives want it to be secular, Muslims want it to be an Islamic theocracy. Both assume that they will dance hand in hand to this Utopia, and then throw the other under the nearest train when the time comes.



It's perfectly rational when you understand the goals of the progressives and Islamic radicals.

Republicans embrace people of all colors who agree with them. You said that. Let that sink in.

You know who else that describes? Muslims.
 
False. The Republican party supports the traditionalist interpretation of the Constitution that values individual liberty and limited government. Islam is both a religion and a form of government that is anathema to the US Constitution.

For an Islamist to make inroads into the US it is a much shorter trip through the DNC as they already advocate a huge, overbearing Government that is required for a theocracy.



Not xenophobic, culturephobic. The cultures of oppressive failed states shouldn't be embraced in America.

Republicans embrace people from all over the world of all colors who agree with their small government, "American Way" and individual liberty political view. You know, the ones Democrats like to call "Uncle Toms".



Except that the modern liberals are anything but liberal. Today they are true believers in the authoritarian state.



Not really. Progressivism runs close to the goals of the political side of Islam, but many want nothing to do with American multiculturalism.



Big oppressive government. Progressives want it to be secular, Muslims want it to be an Islamic theocracy. Both assume that they will dance hand in hand to this Utopia, and then throw the other under the nearest train when the time comes.



It's perfectly rational when you understand the goals of the progressives and Islamic radicals.

Jesus Christ, is your day job writing the GOP script? I've never read a bigger pile of self-congraulatory BS.
 
If a shooter is white, he's crazy. Otherwise, it must be because he's a Democrat. Shouldn't this thread be flushed to the partisan sandbox?
 
False. The Republican party supports the traditionalist interpretation of the Constitution that values individual liberty and limited government.

No, it doesn't. To maintain that it does is to deny reality and the history of the GOP for at least 40 years. The WOD. The DHS. Ridiculously overlarge military. Etc...
Islam is both a religion and a form of government that is anathema to the US Constitution.

And yet millions of Muslims live here in the US following the the Constitution.
For an Islamist to make inroads into the US it is a much shorter trip through the DNC as they already advocate a huge, overbearing Government that is required for a theocracy.

A. You are dishonestly conflating 'Muslim' with 'Islamist'. They are two different things.
B. No, one one in particular is advocating for a 'huge, overbearing gov't.
Not xenophobic, culturephobic. The cultures of oppressive failed states shouldn't be embraced in America.

Republicans embrace people from all over the world of all colors who agree with their small government, "American Way" and individual liberty political view. You know, the ones Democrats like to call "Uncle Toms".

LOL! No, republicans simply don't believe in small government or individual liberty. Who's spoon-feeding you that nonsense?
Except that the modern liberals are anything but liberal. Today they are true believers in the authoritarian state.

Yawn. Bare assertions don't substitute for a rational argument.
Not really. Progressivism runs close to the goals of the political side of Islam, but many want nothing to do with American multiculturalism.

And now you're dishonestly conflating 'liberals' with 'progressivism'.
Big oppressive government. Progressives want it to be secular, Muslims want it to be an Islamic theocracy. Both assume that they will dance hand in hand to this Utopia, and then throw the other under the nearest train when the time comes.

See above about your bare assertions.
It's perfectly rational when you understand the goals of the progressives and Islamic radicals.

You seem utterly unacquainted with rationality.
 
Republicans embrace people of all colors who agree with them. You said that. Let that sink in.

You know who else that describes? Muslims.

Actually, Democrats also embrace everybody who agrees with them. It's kind of how political parties work.
 
Actually, Democrats also embrace everybody who agrees with them. It's kind of how political parties work.

Read Jmotivator's post.
 
then we have David Duke, the Klansman. Not only did he register as a Republican, he even ran for office as one.
So Duke's party affiliation and activities is important, but the Orlando shooter's isn't. Makes sense.
 
Why do people try to find the worst possible thing imaginable to blame on their political oppenents?

I bet this former CIA agent knows why....

 
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Gosh, Vance Mack is mad at me! Whatever will I do?
:lamo

Thats an equally stupid comment. 3 for 3.

'Mad'? :lamo Seriously...you guys are a crack up.
 
That's interesting. It's just a theory, but I think when a tribe doesn't have a leader, the other side will usually attack the whole tribe. For instance, Obama has been the leader of the Blue tribe and most of the vicious attacks have been directed towards him. Whereas the Red Tribe hasn't had a leader since Bush, so most of the attacks are directed at the whole tribe.

The attacks against Bush reached levels of pitched insanity. I think you may be on to something.
 
The Republican party supports the traditionalist interpretation of the Constitution that values individual liberty and limited government

They do? Have you been paying attention this primary?
 
Republicans embrace people of all colors who agree with them. You said that. Let that sink in.

Way to change what I said, Cardinal. I said that Republicans SUPPORT people they agree with. This is no different than Democrats. Democrats don't support blacks because they are black, they support them because they vote Democrat. You need look no further than how Democrats treat black Republicans to know this is true.

Republicans are not about skin color, they are about content of character like I assume Democrats are.

You know who else that describes? Muslims.

It describes everybody. Do you support Allen West, Herman Cain, Ben Carson and Mia Love?
 
Sally Kohn (a gay liberal) went on a Twitter tirade against Christians after the Orlando terrorist attack. Baffling.

It's not baffling.
It's the recognition that the actual facts of a news event can hurt the Party in an election year so misdirections are needed.
Gun control is another card being played.

You have to give them credit.
The Democrat Party is unparalleled at getting the troops in the Party and the media in line to tell the false story and ignore the actual one.
Really pretty impressive but the utter shamelessness and mindlessness of the NYT piece shows how serious and nervous they are.
 
They do? Have you been paying attention this primary?

So long as they remain opposed to mandated health insurance and are pro 2A they are the closest we can come in a major party.

I'm a conservative, I only vote Republicans as long as there isn't a better option.
 
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So long as they remain opposed to mandated health insurance and are pro 2A they are the closest we can come in a major party.

...the GOP has selected, as their Presidential Candidate, someone who agrees with the democrats on both universal healthcare (including the mandate) and limiting the 2A.

I'm a conservative, I only vote Republicans as long as there isn't a better option.

Sadly, this year, there isn't a difference.
 
Meh, the party affiliation is meaningless. Islam is by its nature is an extremely conservative faith. Even in the relatively cosmopolitan Morocco the culture is still a thousand times less liberal than the least liberal belief system. Where it goes completely fubar is in how Islam is caught between the opposing ideologies here in the United States.

1. Islam's less inclusive, less tolerant beliefs should make it a natural fit for conservative-leaning parties.
2. However, the Republican party has turned into the xenophobic, anti-Islam party, alienating Muslims in their entirety.
3. Islam's less inclusive, less tolerant beliefs should make it a natural opposition for liberal-leaning parties.
4. However, liberal concepts of multiculturalism make Islam feel invited, and yet...
5. Liberal and Islamic ideologies share almost no common ground whatsoever.

It's schizophrenic as hell.

Sooooo...first you call the GOP xenophobic and then admit that Muslims are less tolerant and less inclusive ?

The official Liberal position on Islam is tolerance of a intolerant ( homophobic, misogynistic) Islamic culture, oh but by the way, American Conservatives are racist bigoted homophobes.....Lol

What a backwards mess of a ideology you subscribe to

Also, American Conservatives embrace the concept of individual liberty, natural law and a constrained Govt. Concepts that are incompatible with Sharia.

Idiots like the shooter in Orlando are going to support the party ( Democrat party ) that in the interest of " tolerance " ignores their intolerant radical ideology and blames their actions on the NRA and right wing Christian homophobes
 
...the GOP has selected, as their Presidential Candidate, someone who agrees with the democrats on both universal healthcare (including the mandate) and limiting the 2A.

Well, if Trump is elected then there is a good chance that the House and Senate remain Republican. Do you think Trump would veto a repeal of the PPACA?

Sadly, this year, there isn't a difference.

There is still a difference, however small.
 
Well, if Trump is elected then there is a good chance that the House and Senate remain Republican. Do you think Trump would veto a repeal of the PPACA?

I think that Trump wants both universal healthcare and a mandate. I also think that Republicans are currently demonstrating that they lack the backbone to stand up and tell him "no" when he decides to take the GOP in liberal directions, meaning that whatever replaces the PPACA under him will likely be worse.

There is still a difference, however small.

:lol: Sure. She's slightly more corrupt, while he's more insane. Huzzah. :roll:
 
I think that Trump wants both universal healthcare and a mandate. I also think that Republicans are currently demonstrating that they lack the backbone to stand up and tell him "no" when he decides to take the GOP in liberal directions, meaning that whatever replaces the PPACA under him will likely be worse.

:lol: Sure. She's slightly more corrupt, while he's more insane. Huzzah. :roll:

I'm not saying I am thrilled with teh prospects. I'm still writing in SMOD for President.
 
Sooooo...first you call the GOP xenophobic and then admit that Muslims are less tolerant and less inclusive ?

So long as the GOP follows Trump into the abyss, then yes, xenophobism will continue to define them. I "admit" that extremist Islam in particular (which is something of a widespread problem of late) is intolerant and less inclusive.

The official Liberal position on Islam is tolerance of a intolerant ( homophobic, misogynistic) Islamic culture, oh but by the way, American Conservatives are racist bigoted homophobes.....Lol

What a backwards mess of a ideology you subscribe to

It's the backwards mess of what we're dealing with.

Also, American Conservatives embrace the concept of individual liberty, natural law and a constrained Govt. Concepts that are incompatible with Sharia.

Shariah is not a synonym for Islam.

Idiots like the shooter in Orlando are going to support the party ( Democrat party ) that in the interest of " tolerance " ignores their intolerant radical ideology and blames their actions on the NRA and right wing Christian homophobes

As I said, it's schizophrenic. And as I said political registration isn't an automatic window into someone's actual ideology, which is why I frequently try to remember to differentiate "conservatives" from "republicans," and "liberals" from "democrats." People like Mateen and Fred Phelps, while technically registered as Democrats, would be hard pressed to name more than a couple policies they would identify with as liberal. Not that we can ask them now, but still, from what we know of them it's not terribly difficult to say it wouldn't have been many.
 
Meh, the party affiliation is meaningless. Islam is by its nature is an extremely conservative faith. Even in the relatively cosmopolitan Morocco the culture is still a thousand times less liberal than the least liberal belief system. Where it goes completely fubar is in how Islam is caught between the opposing ideologies here in the United States.

1. Islam's less inclusive, less tolerant beliefs should make it a natural fit for conservative-leaning parties.
2. However, the Republican party has turned into the xenophobic, anti-Islam party, alienating Muslims in their entirety.
3. Islam's less inclusive, less tolerant beliefs should make it a natural opposition for liberal-leaning parties.
4. However, liberal concepts of multiculturalism make Islam feel invited, and yet...
5. Liberal and Islamic ideologies share almost no common ground whatsoever.

It's schizophrenic as hell.

If Islam is a lot like the conservative movement and Islam is a natural opposition to the liberal movement, why do liberals defend Islam until their teeth bleed and blame all the woes of society on conservatives?
 
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