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Why Westerners Are Never Told Why They Are Attacked

Tigerace117 said:
As I recall, we overthrew Saddam--- which, of course, your complaining about.
What's the matter--- cognitive dissonance too much to handle?
After all, the US is supposed to be supporting dicatatorships, not overthrowing them, right?
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So, you really think that all the destruction carried out in the Middle East during the past 15 or 25 years was all about democracy?

That is where you and I differ.

Calm
 
calm said:
So, you really think that all the destruction carried out in the Middle East during the past 15 or 25 years was all about democracy?

That is where you and I differ.

Calm
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Another place where you and I differ is that you think terrorist groups like Hezbollah and AQ are justified in killing innocent civillians.
 
We know.

We just don't wanna talk about it truthfully. It ain't pretty.

America is addicted to oil. If you have ever truly known a real junkie you know the depths the junkie will go to, to get their fix. Family, friends, spouses, children, no one comes before the fix. The junkie will take what he needs, however he/she has to get it, for the next fix.

Add to the equation that the difference in cultures, we might as well be from Venus and they might as well be from Mars. We are worlds apart. I can't imagine having to live in an Islamic culture. I would rather not live at all. And, for reasons I will never understand, they feel the same about our culture.

For years, we were able to live and let live living on opposite sides of the globe. But somebody needed a fix. So they came and took it. It suited the oil pushers well and the trickle down crumbs from the royal tables even blessed the peasantry to a degree. Enough to afford them a TV or computer that allowed them to look beyond the desert sands.

I understand. I don't want them in my culture and they do not want me in their's. Fair enough. But, I don't expect it to ever happen. Not as long as Lady Liberty has an oil spicket in her vein. Most American's realize this. We aren't stupid. Just addicted. Gotta get dat fix.
 
How about some honesty instead of just "peace propaganda" pictures from 1985 shall we?

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The very peaceful America didn't even escape since this is what Libya wanted the Boston Marathon to look like in 1985:
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Lebanese Civil War 1985-1987
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Also, your picture of Afghanistan looks suspiciously like the invasion of the Soviets into Afghanistan. The Soviet Union is one of the farthest things from Democracy.

My Government is corrupt. I have no doubt of this and no doubt that our Government has done some pretty heinous things in its history. But let's not pretend that all was just peace and flowers and puppy dogs in the Middle East until the mean 'ol USA came along.
 
Ntharotep said:
But let's not pretend that all was just peace and flowers and puppy dogs in the Middle East until the mean 'ol USA came along.
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I agree, totally.

I was just trying to explain a terrorist attack and why the Arabs are so angry.

And to suggest that Americans should quit playing the victim and wallowing in their self-pity.

Calm
 
Haven't read the article yet but I intend to.
A thought popped up and I wanted to commit to it first, however.

Why Westerners Are Never Told Why They're Attacked?
In the West, CEO's are the sheikhs and the imams, because the dollar is our god.

Put simply, the Muslim world considers our CEO's to be the ultimate in apostasy.
I did not and AM NOT saying that their concept makes sense.
Even if there is any justification or truth contained in their outrage, it still takes two to tango and no matter how toxic and poisonous our business entreaties into their 7th century civilization might be, two parties agreed to do business.
They had the oil, we had the money and know-how, we wanted the energy resources, they wanted the modern gifts of the 20th/21st century.

It's worth noting that the very idea of injecting 20th/21st century money and technology into a seventh century society is possibly the stupidest thing we have ever ever done...but we did it. The fact that we were not expecting BLOWBACK of any kind to ever smack us upside the head is sheer ignorance and guess what?
Our own corporate security apparatii knew it full well and MADE BETS ON IT, VEGAS STYLE, baby.

They were ready for 9/11 long before 9/11, and their pockets were open like the mouths of baby starlings.
9/11 wasn't a secret conspiracy, it was a business decision, a PROFIT gambit, an insurance scam and a Wall Street wager.
 
And now I've read it....so apparently the solution is to withdraw, and to take ANYTHING and EVERYTHING even remotely Western with us as we leave.
Of course that is why it can never happen, the West's businesses are too addicted to making money from the Muslim world.
 
calm said:
Although the history of America bombing the Middle East while seeking to control it, is long time in the making, ..... let's just consider that this "Blowback" started with the illegal invasion of Iraq.

A complete generation of Arabs across the Middle East have had their dreams destroyed by drones.

If I had of been in grade school at the time of Bush's war on terror in the Middle East began, I would be seething mad as I looked forward to a future of literally nothing because of no education. In every single country the U.S. set out to deliberately destroy the infrastructure and bring the countries to their knees.

You would expect the Arabs to take this sitting down?

I thought that this article was pretty good too.

U.S. Policy and the Geopolitical Dynamics of the Middle East
By Chas Freeman
June 09, 2016
U.S. Policy and the Geopolitical Dynamics of the Middle East

Calm
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Some weird muslim dude kills 50 innocent folks in one session, even as our drones kill 50 innocents in maybe a week's time. I don't see much difference. Paybacks are hell.
 
calm said:
I thought that this was a pretty good read:

Why Westerners Are Never Told Why They're Attacked
Islamic terrorism is the bitter fruit of a century of failed Western intervention in the Middle East
By Joe Lauria
June 13, 2016
Why Westerners Are Never Told Why They're Attacked - The Duran

So why won’t Western officials and corporate media take the jihadists’ statements of intent at face value? Why won’t they really tell their citizens why they are attacked?

It seems to be an effort to cover up a long and ever more intense history of Western military and political intervention in the Middle East and the violent reactions it provokes, reactions that put innocent Western lives at risk. Indirect Western culpability in these terrorist acts is routinely suppressed, let alone evidence of direct Western involvement with terrorism.

Calm
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Islam has followed the same agenda from its beginning. Tranferring the blame to the West is just plain dumb and dangerous.

This willful ignorance is killing people.
 
The Orlando Police Department is refusing to release the 911 calls ....

I notice ....

Mateen told police that he was protesting U.S. bombing “in Iraq and Syria.”

The Washington Post is claiming that Mateen wanted “Americans to stop bombing his country.” (Afghanistan)

It seems to me that the Ruling Class don't want anybody to be thinking about "Blowback" as Obama increases the U.S. military presence throughout the Middle East.

Calm
 
calm said:
I thought that this was a pretty good read:

Why Westerners Are Never Told Why They're Attacked
Islamic terrorism is the bitter fruit of a century of failed Western intervention in the Middle East
By Joe Lauria
June 13, 2016
Why Westerners Are Never Told Why They're Attacked - The Duran

So why won’t Western officials and corporate media take the jihadists’ statements of intent at face value? Why won’t they really tell their citizens why they are attacked?

It seems to be an effort to cover up a long and ever more intense history of Western military and political intervention in the Middle East and the violent reactions it provokes, reactions that put innocent Western lives at risk. Indirect Western culpability in these terrorist acts is routinely suppressed, let alone evidence of direct Western involvement with terrorism.

Calm
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I think we pretty clear about the whole thing. There are some muslims in the middle east and elsewhere that want to practice islam as Mohamed intended for it to be practiced. It is quite disruptive that they do this and we should go kill them so they won't do it anymore. Pretty straightforward.
 
fmw said:
It is quite disruptive that they do this and we should go kill them so they won't do it anymore. Pretty straightforward.
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It is gonna take lots of bullets.

Maybe that is why the price of lead has gone up so much.

And, trillions more in hiring security personnel throughout Western countries.

You soon will have only two choices of employment ....

Arms manufacturing and security guard.

Calm
 
calm said:
It is gonna take lots of bullets.

Maybe that is why the price of lead has gone up so much.

And, trillions more in hiring security personnel throughout Western countries.

You soon will have only two choices of employment ....

Arms manufacturing and security guard.

Calm
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Yeah.....no. Just no. Not going to happen.
 
calm said:
It is gonna take lots of bullets.

Maybe that is why the price of lead has gone up so much.

And, trillions more in hiring security personnel throughout Western countries.

You soon will have only two choices of employment ....

Arms manufacturing and security guard.

Calm
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You overstate it. We could send an infantry division or two with air support and clean up Syria in a matter of months. We wouldn't kill every one of them but we would certainly reduce the attraction of ISIS to crazy fundamental muslims around the world. We won't be able to stop them here. We've proven that. The only hope is to kill the source.
 
calm said:
So, you really think that all the destruction carried out in the Middle East during the past 15 or 25 years was all about democracy?

That is where you and I differ.

Calm
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The problems in the Middle East go way back in time, perhaps you could read a little history on the Euro's, and their involvement as well.
 
RetiredUSN said:
The problems in the Middle East go way back in time, perhaps you could read a little history on the Euro's, and their involvement as well.
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I agree.

But after WWII, the U.S. designated itself the World Policeman and not Britain or France etc.

These wars have never been about democracy.

America has attempted to overthrow more than 50 governments, most of which were democratically-elected since the end WWII.

Calm
 
calm said:
I thought that this was a pretty good read:

Why Westerners Are Never Told Why They're Attacked
Islamic terrorism is the bitter fruit of a century of failed Western intervention in the Middle East
By Joe Lauria
June 13, 2016
Why Westerners Are Never Told Why They're Attacked - The Duran

So why won’t Western officials and corporate media take the jihadists’ statements of intent at face value? Why won’t they really tell their citizens why they are attacked?

It seems to be an effort to cover up a long and ever more intense history of Western military and political intervention in the Middle East and the violent reactions it provokes, reactions that put innocent Western lives at risk. Indirect Western culpability in these terrorist acts is routinely suppressed, let alone evidence of direct Western involvement with terrorism.

Calm
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It's just manifest destiny: "making the world safe for democracy". For US it started prior to WWI with Standard Oil and private militias. Now we have Xe Corp (Black Water) etc. That's all it's ever been, a mercenary war for natural resources.
 
calm said:
I thought that this was a pretty good read:

Why Westerners Are Never Told Why They're Attacked
Islamic terrorism is the bitter fruit of a century of failed Western intervention in the Middle East
By Joe Lauria
June 13, 2016
Why Westerners Are Never Told Why They're Attacked - The Duran

So why won’t Western officials and corporate media take the jihadists’ statements of intent at face value? Why won’t they really tell their citizens why they are attacked?

It seems to be an effort to cover up a long and ever more intense history of Western military and political intervention in the Middle East and the violent reactions it provokes, reactions that put innocent Western lives at risk. Indirect Western culpability in these terrorist acts is routinely suppressed, let alone evidence of direct Western involvement with terrorism.

Calm
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They hate you for your freedom.
 
calm said:
I thought that this was a pretty good read:

Why Westerners Are Never Told Why They're Attacked
Islamic terrorism is the bitter fruit of a century of failed Western intervention in the Middle East
By Joe Lauria
June 13, 2016
Why Westerners Are Never Told Why They're Attacked - The Duran

So why won’t Western officials and corporate media take the jihadists’ statements of intent at face value? Why won’t they really tell their citizens why they are attacked?

It seems to be an effort to cover up a long and ever more intense history of Western military and political intervention in the Middle East and the violent reactions it provokes, reactions that put innocent Western lives at risk. Indirect Western culpability in these terrorist acts is routinely suppressed, let alone evidence of direct Western involvement with terrorism.

Calm
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A canadian socialist siding with the terrorist... shocking.
 
jet57 said:
It's just manifest destiny: "making the world safe for democracy". For US it started prior to WWI with Standard Oil and private militias. Now we have Xe Corp (Black Water) etc. That's all it's ever been, a mercenary war for natural resources.
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In that case, why haven't we invaded Canada, Venezuela, etc.....

After all, those countries have a ton of natural resources.
 
Tigerace117 said:
In that case, why haven't we invaded Canada, Venezuela, etc.....

After all, those countries have a ton of natural resources.
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You did invade Canada. Three times.
 
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