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Media Blackout of Bill Clinton Pedophile Scandal?

FieldTheorist said:
That would be a lot more compelling if I hadn't been stating this about a Republican and a Democrat. Also, you may not have read my posts on here before, but I have an overwhelmingly negative opinion of Bill Clinton.
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There is not direct evidence of Trump flying on the plane or staying at the island.. Clinton on the other hand...

And what is your opinion of Hillary Clinton as President versus Trump?
 
jmotivator said:
There is not direct evidence of Trump flying on the plane or staying at the island.. Clinton on the other hand...

And what is your opinion of Hillary Clinton as President versus Trump?
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This is exceedingly off topic. You can find a summary of my position on both of them in the final paragraph of this post.

jmotivator said:
Flight records already have proven this.
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A flight record is not a proof of rape. Please try again.
 
truthatallcost said:
So Bill Clinton has flown on Pedo Air 26 times, and the mainstream media outlets are silent?

In case you're unfamiliar with the story, Bill Clinton is good friends with Jeffrey Epstein, a billionaire financier who also happened to plead guilty to soliciting children for sex. His Wikipedia page says, " A court document alleges that Epstein ran a “sexual abuse ring”, and lent underage girls to “prominent American politicians, powerful business executives, foreign presidents, a well-known prime minister, and other world leaders".

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How does the media live with itself? They harangue Donald Trump for being an oppressor of women, while ignoring Bill Clinton's very odd ties to a repeat child molester. If Donald Trump flew on Pedo Air with a known rapist, uh...think we'd hear about it on CNN, NYT, MSNBC, etc, etc? Yeah you can bet it'd be front page news for weeks.
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Maybe nobody's talking about it because whatever dip**** conspiracy blog you got this from is full of ****?
 
jmotivator said:
Yeah, I know the drill, you need proof before you can cast doubt on a Democrat. :roll:

A Republican in this position and you are calling for jail time.
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Hypothetical hypocrisy is such a strong goddamned argument.
 
truthatallcost said:
So Bill Clinton has flown on Pedo Air 26 times, and the mainstream media outlets are silent?

In case you're unfamiliar with the story, Bill Clinton is good friends with Jeffrey Epstein, a billionaire financier who also happened to plead guilty to soliciting children for sex. His Wikipedia page says, " A court document alleges that Epstein ran a “sexual abuse ring”, and lent underage girls to “prominent American politicians, powerful business executives, foreign presidents, a well-known prime minister, and other world leaders".

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How does the media live with itself? They harangue Donald Trump for being an oppressor of women, while ignoring Bill Clinton's very odd ties to a repeat child molester. If Donald Trump flew on Pedo Air with a known rapist, uh...think we'd hear about it on CNN, NYT, MSNBC, etc, etc? Yeah you can bet it'd be front page news for weeks.
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Well the UK media covers it

Bill Clinton jumped aboard 'Lolita Express' for junkets along with Jeffrey Epstein | Daily Mail Online

Newsweek had an article on it last year that mentioned Clinton
http://www.newsweek.com/2015/02/06/sex-offender-who-mixes-princes-and-premiers-302877.html
It also mentioned that Stephen Hawking had visited hung out with Epstein... hrm...
 
Deuce said:
Maybe nobody's talking about it because whatever dip**** conspiracy blog you got this from is full of ****?
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Again, I'm tired of explaining this. Vice is a well known online news magazine, that covers politics, youth culture, foreign issues, etc. They are not even close to being Alex Jones or Breitbart.
Some of you guys are a little stodgy in how you won't even give Vice a look and see for yourself what they're about.
 
FieldTheorist said:
That's pretty far from evidence that he had sex with an underage girl, no? Sure, you start asking questions, but I want solid evidence, not merely the fact that he visited some rich guy on his island.
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News stories claim that Epstein's island was used for the sexual exploitation of children. The former president had to have at least known where he was visiting and what went on there.
 
truthatallcost said:
News stories claim that Epstein's island was used for the sexual exploitation of children. The former president had to have at least known where he was visiting and what went on there.
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I remember when the story broke one victim described being used by very high level people. It's a shame more isn't probed into naming names. Clinton just being there isn't guilt in and of itself but given his history it's not far fetched to think he participated and if more attention is brought, maybe all will be rightfully prosecuted.

I just hate thinking of these little victims and the damage this causes while their abusers get worshipped with buildings and parks named after them. It makes me sick to think of our world working like that.
 
FieldTheorist said:
A flight record is not a proof of rape. Please try again.
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Flight records that show Bill Clinton, a man with a proven penchant for young women, flying on a plane known to have been use by a pedophile for the purposes of pedophilia and staying on an island owned by known pedophile that has been used for the purposes of pedophilia is rather compelling. It's like seeing proof that Mel Gibson is frequenting a liquor store and concluding he's drinking again.
 
americanwoman said:
I remember when the story broke one victim described being used by very high level people. It's a shame more isn't probed into naming names. Clinton just being there isn't guilt in and of itself but given his history it's not far fetched to think he participated and if more attention is brought, maybe all will be rightfully prosecuted.

I just hate thinking of these little victims and the damage this causes while their abusers get worshipped with buildings and parks named after them. It makes me sick to think of our world working like that.
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It comes down to the absurdly generous plea deal that Epstein got when he was charged with pedophilia. There is no reason why the prosecutor should have given him blanket immunity for any rape allegations that predated that case. You give plea deals when the accused turn's states evidence, but he didn't. He was given 18 months and allowed to walk back into his billionaire lifestyle.

It is as if Epstein had something on the prosecutor.

I hope the plea deal is overturned because that a-hole needs to spend the rest of his days in a deep dark cell somewhere.
 
truthatallcost said:
News stories claim that Epstein's island was used for the sexual exploitation of children. The former president had to have at least known where he was visiting and what went on there.
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People have gone to Thailand to have sex with underage prostitutes.

I have gone to Thailand.

Therefore...?
 
truthatallcost said:
Ever heard of Vice? They are liberal on every subject imaginable, and they published a story saying what I've said here.

https://news.vice.com/article/the-s...-a-fight-against-hillary-clinton-bill-clinton
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Who cares if it's a liberal source?

Your position is guilt plus association + built-in anti-liberal bias. That's not an argument. It's a smear.




Nevermind that if you took your source to heart, you'd have a strong reason to throw this guilt by association at Trump rather than Slick Willy:

"I've known Jeff for 15 years. Terrific guy,'' Trump told New York magazine in a 2002 profile of Epstein written three years before Epstein began to be investigated. "He's a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side. No doubt about it — Jeffrey enjoys his social life."

Later, re: Epstein being questioned:

Q. Have you ever socialized with Donald Trump in the presence of females under the age of 18?
A: Though I'd like to answer that question, at least today I'm going to have to assert my Fifth, Sixth, and 14th Amendment rights, sir.

And that he's also a fraudster and likes obstructing justice, because of a different person he once hung out with:

In 2000, both Trump and Epstein reportedly attended a small party hosted by media magnate Conrad Black, who in 2007 was convicted and served time in prison for fraud and obstruction of justice (the fraud charges were overturned on appeal). Black is currently an enthusiastic supporter of Trump's presidential bid.





Now, it probably wouldn't be completely out of character for Slick Willy to actually have done this, but adding prior bad act evidence into your mix still doesn't amount to any sort of proof that he is in fact guilty...
 
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I do believe these rings exist and that the services are available, which is disgusting.

Whether these politicians took part is another story.
 
Mr Person said:
Who cares if it's a liberal source?

Your position is guilt plus association + built-in anti-liberal bias. That's not an argument. It's a smear.




Nevermind that if you took your source to heart, you'd have a strong reason to throw this guilt by association at Trump rather than Slick Willy:

"I've known Jeff for 15 years. Terrific guy,'' Trump told New York magazine in a 2002 profile of Epstein written three years before Epstein began to be investigated. "He's a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side. No doubt about it — Jeffrey enjoys his social life."

Later, re: Epstein being questioned:

Q. Have you ever socialized with Donald Trump in the presence of females under the age of 18?
A: Though I'd like to answer that question, at least today I'm going to have to assert my Fifth, Sixth, and 14th Amendment rights, sir.

And that he's also a fraudster and likes obstructing justice, because of a different person he once hung out with:

In 2000, both Trump and Epstein reportedly attended a small party hosted by media magnate Conrad Black, who in 2007 was convicted and served time in prison for fraud and obstruction of justice (the fraud charges were overturned on appeal). Black is currently an enthusiastic supporter of Trump's presidential bid.





Now, it probably wouldn't be completely out of character for Slick Willy to actually have done this, but adding prior bad act evidence into your mix still doesn't amount to any sort of proof that he is in fact guilty...
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Well I'm glad you finally clicked the link at least. When you thought I was posting a far right smear piece on Bill Clinton you were allergic to clicking links.

Trump had a reason to know Epstein, as Trump is in the business of selling things to rich people. Epstein purchased a membership in Mar-A-Lago in the early 2000's, before any criminal allegations were brought against him.
It on only makes sense that some interaction would have taken place there.

Clinton on the other hand doesn't appear to have any reason for associating with Epstein. They weren't in business together. Yet Clinton flew on Epstein's private jet at least 10 times, and stayed at his house. There's enough evidence to launch an investigation into what Clinton did while staying at Epstein's home.

I'm not saying anyone is guilty by association, however I am saying that it's disturbing to think of a former president frolicking at a known pedophiles residence, and the media should be trying to get to the bottom of this.
 
Deuce said:
People have gone to Thailand to have sex with underage prostitutes.

I have gone to Thailand.

Therefore...?
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Millions of people visit Thailand every year, for a variety of reasons. Do millions of people visit Jeff Epstein's island per year? How many former presidents "accidentally" spend time with a sexual predator at his private island? Not many I'd assume.
 
americanwoman said:
I remember when the story broke one victim described being used by very high level people. It's a shame more isn't probed into naming names. Clinton just being there isn't guilt in and of itself but given his history it's not far fetched to think he participated and if more attention is brought, maybe all will be rightfully prosecuted.

I just hate thinking of these little victims and the damage this causes while their abusers get worshipped with buildings and parks named after them. It makes me sick to think of our world working like that.
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I agree, we idolize people like Clinton who carefully mold a public persona of themselves that's nothing like who they really are.

My personal opinion is that Bill got tired of his sexual escapades blowing up in his face during the 90s, and decided to find sexual partners who couldn't speak out against him or sue him for harassment. So he chose underage minority children on a remote island, thinking that they'd remain silent, unlike Paula Jones, Genifer Flowers, Monica Lewinsky, etc.
 
truthatallcost said:
Well I'm glad you finally clicked the link at least. When you thought I was posting a far right smear piece on Bill Clinton you were allergic to clicking links.

Trump had a reason to know Epstein, as Trump is in the business of selling things to rich people. Epstein purchased a membership in Mar-A-Lago in the early 2000's, before any criminal allegations were brought against him.
It on only makes sense that some interaction would have taken place there.

Clinton on the other hand doesn't appear to have any reason for associating with Epstein. They weren't in business together. Yet Clinton flew on Epstein's private jet at least 10 times, and stayed at his house. There's enough evidence to launch an investigation into what Clinton did while staying at Epstein's home.

I'm not saying anyone is guilty by association, however I am saying that it's disturbing to think of a former president frolicking at a known pedophiles residence, and the media should be trying to get to the bottom of this.
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You're aware that the Clintons are rich, right?
 
Deuce said:
You're aware that the Clintons are rich, right?
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Care to respond to the comment I addressed to you? I don't know what you're getting at with asking me if I know that the Clintons are rich.
 
If the accusations were credible, then the media would be all over it. Since they're not, Conspiracy of silence is the least likely reason.
 
Roadvirus said:
True, but when you take into consideration his past sexual escapades...
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That's the most hair-brained statement I've heard. If you take BJ's from your aid, it means that you really more likely to rape 14 year old girls. REALLY?

I despise the Clinton's, but this is completely hair-brained. Again, when you have something resembling evidence, come back.
 
jmotivator said:
LOL! They are talking about the Clinton pedophile story because of Bill Clinton's frequent visits to Epstein's island and flights on his "Lolita Express".
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Well they're talking about it because the best way to get a conservative's attention is to say "Did you hear that Bill Clinton (fill in the blank)" and imply a mainstream media conspiracy.
 
jmotivator said:
LOL! They are talking about the Clinton pedophile story because of Bill Clinton's frequent visits to Epstein's island and flights on his "Lolita Express".
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As another poster already said, lots of disgusting pedos go to Thailand to **** abused and exploited child prostitutes. LOTS OF THEM.

Yet one would be absurdly wrong to accuse someone who went to Thailand, or the same city in Thailand, or the same hotel in Thailand (and bar, before going out in the evening), of being a pedo simply because they were there. It's guilt by association and it's ugly and wrong. That's true even IF every single last accusation against Slick Willy involving sexual misconduct is true.



Guilt by association is wrong.

Prior bad acts evidence is wrong.

Smears are wrong.




It also has little bearing on the election, unless someone is making a case that Hillary will rename the White House "Pedos are us".

It's doubly irrelevant where the article cited in the OP makes it sound like Trump has a much closer connection with Epstein himself; flying on an airplane a number of times isn't the same as being a friend with a guy who takes the 5th upon asking whether you were ever in his presence during parties with minors, etc.

So if we're going to assume guilt based on the above things I said are "wrong", we're going to have to conclude that Hillary stayed married to a pedo, while Trump got comfy comfy with a pedo while the pedo was doing pedo things. Who's worse in that scenario, eh?
 
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