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Jack Fabulous

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There are a seemingly endless number of issues that the media could be crushing Trump on RIGHT NOW but for "some reason" they have largely kept silent.


Trump University?

Hiring illegals?

Alleged mafia deals?

Sexist comments?

Racist comments?


With the amount of air time devoted by all of the major networks to Trump it is puzzling to me why they aren't destroying him with all of this readily available ammunition? This stuff is all out there like low hanging fruit but the coverage right now is centered around how well he is doing and the prospects of him winning the nomination. This leads to the question...

Once Trump secures the nomination, I predict that the media will immediately turn their focus to these stories and it will be a 24/7 Trump bash-o-thon. If(when) this happens, can we then conclude that giving him a pass during the primaries was a strategic decision? That they wanted him to be the GOP nominee because they knew that they could easily destroy him before the general and give Hillary an easy victory?
 
Jack Fabulous said:
There are a seemingly endless number of issues that the media could be crushing Trump on RIGHT NOW but for "some reason" they have largely kept silent.


Trump University?

Hiring illegals?

Alleged mafia deals?

Sexist comments?

Racist comments?


With the amount of air time devoted by all of the major networks to Trump it is puzzling to me why they aren't destroying him with all of this readily available ammunition? This stuff is all out there like low hanging fruit but the coverage right now is centered around how well he is doing and the prospects of him winning the nomination. This leads to the question...

Once Trump secures the nomination, I predict that the media will immediately turn their focus to these stories and it will be a 24/7 Trump bash-o-thon. If(when) this happens, can we then conclude that giving him a pass during the primaries was a strategic decision? That they wanted him to be the GOP nominee because they knew that they could easily destroy him before the general and give Hillary an easy victory?
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I'm not sure there will be any Trump bashing on those issues. All of them might lead to some uncomfortable counter-attacks from Trump especially Trump University and alleged mafia deals. If I were Hillary I wouldn't want to take the sexism angle either.
 
Centrehalf said:
I'm not sure there will be any Trump bashing on those issues. All of them might lead to some uncomfortable counter-attacks from Trump especially Trump University and alleged mafia deals. If I were Hillary I wouldn't want to take the sexism angle either.
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I'm not talking about how Hillary is going to attack Trump, I'm talking about how the media is going to attack him. The media does a very good job of crafting narratives and then advancing those narratives in a variety of different ways.

Right now these stories are pretty much nonexistent in the MSM. Once the nomination is secure do they become daily talking points? I'm guessing they do.
 
Jack Fabulous said:
I'm not talking about how Hillary is going to attack Trump, I'm talking about how the media is going to attack him. The media does a very good job of crafting narratives and then advancing those narratives in a variety of different ways.

Right now these stories are pretty much nonexistent in the MSM. Once the nomination is secure do they become daily talking points? I'm guessing they do.
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I don't think you can separate Hillary and the media. If MSM is going to wait until the general election to cover these stories doesn't that imply they are working with Hillary?
 
Jack Fabulous said:
There are a seemingly endless number of issues that the media could be crushing Trump on RIGHT NOW but for "some reason" they have largely kept silent.


Trump University?

Hiring illegals?

Alleged mafia deals?

Sexist comments?

Racist comments?


With the amount of air time devoted by all of the major networks to Trump it is puzzling to me why they aren't destroying him with all of this readily available ammunition? This stuff is all out there like low hanging fruit but the coverage right now is centered around how well he is doing and the prospects of him winning the nomination. This leads to the question...

Once Trump secures the nomination, I predict that the media will immediately turn their focus to these stories and it will be a 24/7 Trump bash-o-thon. If(when) this happens, can we then conclude that giving him a pass during the primaries was a strategic decision? That they wanted him to be the GOP nominee because they knew that they could easily destroy him before the general and give Hillary an easy victory?
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If there is no bashing Trump on those issues, how come we are bombarded with all the "news" on Trump, are discussing Trump in an endless number of threads, rallies are held against Trump?
No, this isn't bias but smartness. All the media and the anti Trumpers have to do is bleep some titbit, and the rest takes care of itself. We live in a new age called instant everything.
Bias, no Trump bashing? You got to be kiddin.
 
Jack Fabulous said:
There are a seemingly endless number of issues that the media could be crushing Trump on RIGHT NOW but for "some reason" they have largely kept silent.


Trump University?

Hiring illegals?

Alleged mafia deals?

Sexist comments?

Racist comments?


With the amount of air time devoted by all of the major networks to Trump it is puzzling to me why they aren't destroying him with all of this readily available ammunition? This stuff is all out there like low hanging fruit but the coverage right now is centered around how well he is doing and the prospects of him winning the nomination. This leads to the question...

Once Trump secures the nomination, I predict that the media will immediately turn their focus to these stories and it will be a 24/7 Trump bash-o-thon. If(when) this happens, can we then conclude that giving him a pass during the primaries was a strategic decision? That they wanted him to be the GOP nominee because they knew that they could easily destroy him before the general and give Hillary an easy victory?
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The media focuses on the information their readership wants.
Which is both good and bad.
They'll more likely report things that confirm their readers bias and are less likely to report things that challenge their bias.
They're doing what every other business does, catering to their customer.
 
Centrehalf said:
I don't think you can separate Hillary and the media. If MSM is going to wait until the general election to cover these stories doesn't that imply they are working with Hillary?
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I think there are many in the media that want to see Hillary win in November. Having her run against a GOP candidate with so many weaknesses to exploit makes that victory MUCH easier than her having to run against someone who does not carry that kind of baggage.

All I am saying is that not going after Trump before he wins the nomination and then crushing him after he wins the nomination sure looks like a strategic play to me.
 
Lovebug said:
If there is no bashing Trump on those issues, how come we are bombarded with all the "news" on Trump, are discussing Trump in an endless number of threads, rallies are held against Trump?
No, this isn't bias but smartness. All the media and the anti Trumpers have to do is bleep some titbit, and the rest takes care of itself. We live in a new age called instant everything.
Bias, no Trump bashing? You got to be kiddin.
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I never said "no Trump bashing". I'm talking about where the focus is and what the current narrative is. Beyond that I'm speculating on how that focus will shift and how the narrative will change after he is nominated.
 
Jack Fabulous said:
I think there are many in the media that want to see Hillary win in November. Having her run against a GOP candidate with so many weaknesses to exploit makes that victory MUCH easier than her having to run against someone who does not carry that kind of baggage.

All I am saying is that not going after Trump before he wins the nomination and then crushing him after he wins the nomination sure looks like a strategic play to me.
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I can see that. I guess it depends on whether or not you think Hillary can beat Trump. I don't think she'll win against Trump so if I were the MSM I'd be hitting him as hard as I could right now.
 
There is "bashing".

Come on, National Review has dedicated an entire issue to attacking Trump in every which way. There's no shortage of journalists and public figures blasting him on a daily basis - most conservatives, almost all liberals, and all libertarians, by definition.

The problem is, Trump has managed to define his candidacy in "anti-political correctness" and anti-media terms early on. And most attacks are being perceived by his supporters as confirmation of his original thesis. The vaguely defined "establishment" just cannot stand the guy who speaks his mind on our behalf and the media - the guard dogs of the "establishment" - are trying to tear him to pieces! Trump meanwhile keeps provoking the media into predictable "politically correct" diatribes. A self-reinforcing system.

I guess Trump watched how any criticism of the black President is being perceived as racism by his supporters, and thought "Wait, wait! I can do this kind of manipulation even better!"
 
These are old stories. Not much interest in them right now. It seems to me that now they want to appear fair and balanced. Also, there is plenty to report on in the political arena.

When the big attack ads start, they will have the opportunity to follow up and forward their agenda.
 
Tonawanda said:
These are old stories. Not much interest in them right now. It seems to me that now they want to appear fair and balanced. Also, there is plenty to report on in the political arena.

When the big attack ads start, they will have the opportunity to follow up and forward their agenda.
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This is a pretty good point.
In today's instant gratification low attention span society, and honestly with as many issues as there are with Trump- it is easy to see how these things begin to look like blips on the big picture radar. They come, they go, and are apparently forgotten. Come General election time we will likely see a "Trump Scoreboard" in the media to remind us of how evil the man is but with things moving so fast now it probably doesn't make much sense to most outlets. It might distract the general populous from the week's (or day's) gaff that Trump has made.
 
Jack Fabulous said:
There are a seemingly endless number of issues that the media could be crushing Trump on RIGHT NOW but for "some reason" they have largely kept silent.

Trump University? Hiring illegals? Alleged mafia deals? Sexist comments? Racist comments?

With the amount of air time devoted by all of the major networks to Trump it is puzzling to me why they aren't destroying him with all of this readily available ammunition? This stuff is all out there like low hanging fruit but the coverage right now is centered around how well he is doing and the prospects of him winning the nomination. This leads to the question...

Once Trump secures the nomination, I predict that the media will immediately turn their focus to these stories and it will be a 24/7 Trump bash-o-thon. If(when) this happens, can we then conclude that giving him a pass during the primaries was a strategic decision? That they wanted him to be the GOP nominee because they knew that they could easily destroy him before the general and give Hillary an easy victory?
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I think Cyrylek lays out the point pretty well in post #10. There is a great deal of Trump bashing going on. Every day, multiple individuals in the media are publishing articles, conducting interviews, or making jokes about the multitude of negative points that Trump has going on with his candidacy. One could even make the argument that Trump may have reached a point, by creating SO MANY negative statements and issues, of over-saturating the negative coverage.

You raise five issues yourself and my signature line covers about four others. All of these points could be enough, on their own, to be the focal point of a consistent attack. Heck, how often does the allegation based on Obama's "fundamentally change America" line still get raised? And those individuals, if they wanted, could point to about twenty different comments from Trump that imply or explicitly state the exact same message, or worse by talking explicitly about how he would change the country.

In the end, it doesn't matter for Trump supporters who could, as Trump himself argued, watch him commit murder in broad daylight and that they would still support him.
 
Jack Fabulous said:
There are a seemingly endless number of issues that the media could be crushing Trump on RIGHT NOW but for "some reason" they have largely kept silent.


Trump University?

Hiring illegals?

Alleged mafia deals?

Sexist comments?

Racist comments?


With the amount of air time devoted by all of the major networks to Trump it is puzzling to me why they aren't destroying him with all of this readily available ammunition? This stuff is all out there like low hanging fruit but the coverage right now is centered around how well he is doing and the prospects of him winning the nomination. This leads to the question...

Once Trump secures the nomination, I predict that the media will immediately turn their focus to these stories and it will be a 24/7 Trump bash-o-thon. If(when) this happens, can we then conclude that giving him a pass during the primaries was a strategic decision? That they wanted him to be the GOP nominee because they knew that they could easily destroy him before the general and give Hillary an easy victory?
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Yes, they're saving them for the general election.
 
Why is Trump University 'controversy' even around anymore? It has already been debunked.
 
MrT said:
I think Cyrylek lays out the point pretty well in post #10. There is a great deal of Trump bashing going on. Every day, multiple individuals in the media are publishing articles, conducting interviews, or making jokes about the multitude of negative points that Trump has going on with his candidacy. One could even make the argument that Trump may have reached a point, by creating SO MANY negative statements and issues, of over-saturating the negative coverage.

You raise five issues yourself and my signature line covers about four others. All of these points could be enough, on their own, to be the focal point of a consistent attack. Heck, how often does the allegation based on Obama's "fundamentally change America" line still get raised? And those individuals, if they wanted, could point to about twenty different comments from Trump that imply or explicitly state the exact same message, or worse by talking explicitly about how he would change the country.

In the end, it doesn't matter for Trump supporters who could, as Trump himself argued, watch him commit murder in broad daylight and that they would still support him.
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It will be interesting to revisit this thread in about 6 months.
 
When we say "media" in this thread, do we mean all print, online, radio, and TV media available? Or are we only talking about the narrow slice of total media called network TV infotainment?

I'm guessing the latter because once more, a conspiracy theory to victimize conservatives is being alleged against "the media".
 
PakPuk said:
Why is Trump University 'controversy' even around anymore? It has already been debunked.
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There's going to be a final pre-trial hearing on May 6.
 
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