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Protesters Storm Stage at Ted Cruz Rally

Absentglare said:
Why are you against freedom of speech ? Don't protestors deserve freedom of expression ?
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Imagine if a loved one you knew passed away. What would your reaction be if a group protested his funeral? I bet you wouldn't be very peaceful.
 
JoeTrumps said:
VIDEO: Anti-Gun Protesters Storm Stage at Ted Cruz Rally | Fox News Insider

wait......when did Ted Cruz advocate violence?

I mean, we all know, according to the left, that Trump "had it coming". But why try and shut down a Cruz rally?

can't figure this out. We can't blame the protesters, they are angels walking among us. So who do we blame here?
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You do realize, don't you, that is incident was 2 months ago? Is that how far you're willing to reach to make a weak point?
 
Chomsky said:
It takes a pretty lot of guts (or stupidity!) to rush a stage at a 2nd Amendment rally! :shock:
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What? Are all the Barney Fife's going to start shooting their pop guns at once?
 
domer76 said:
You do realize, don't you, that is incident was 2 months ago? Is that how far you're willing to reach to make a weak point?
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Whoa!

Good catch! :thumbs:
 
domer76 said:
What? Are all the Barney Fife's going to start shooting their pop guns at once?
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Hey, in stand-your-ground states you never know.

Walking to the store for a bag of Skittles could have deadly consequence! :doh
 
TurtleDude said:
are you actually serious? this appears to be contrarian crap.

Lets say I am attending a university and I have paid tuition to attend Dr Smith's class on third world economics. And during his lecture which is critical of say Multinational entities interfering with the local economies of say Botswana, some asshole whose father runs such a company bursts in and starts screaming so I and other students cannot hear Dr Smith/ is that an exercise of free speech? NO its trespassing, among other things. and people who try to prevent those who want to hear Ted Cruz speak are interfering with Cruz and his audience's free speech rights
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Haha, no, the reason for the punishment is not violation of someone else's free speech rights. It's more like disturbing the peace.

But it's unsurprising that you would neglect to confess the flaw of your reasoning.
 
Absentglare said:
Why are you against freedom of speech ? Don't protestors deserve freedom of expression ?
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Only the government can infringe on freedom of speech. Protesters can protest but, unless they have rented the venue, or put in the proper permits to reserve the venue, they do not have the right to disrupt it and be heard. You also don't get to bust into my house and start shouting at me and me having you removed is not violating your free speech. Also, and employer who wants their place of business to be a gun-free zone is not infringing on the 2nd Amendment rights of a citizen.

There is a clear delineation between private and public actions.
 
Chomsky said:
Come on!

You don't see the difference between a peaceful protest & rushing the stage?

What the protester did is a big difference from standing in the audience holding a sign.
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Of course i can- but the reason that rushing the stage is a bad thing isn't directly about freedom of speech.

Bucky said:
Imagine if a loved one you knew passed away. What would your reaction be if a group protested his funeral? I bet you wouldn't be very peaceful.
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Appeal to emotion ...? I'm not justifying that disturbing the peace is a bad thing. I'm criticizing THIS below :

TurtleDude said:
what does that have to do with the fact that anti-freedom assholes disrupted a Cruz speech?
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In this case, "freedom" is narrowly defined so as to seem to only apply to one side of the interaction.
 
Chomsky said:
Hey, in stand-your-ground states you never know.

Walking to the store for a bag of Skittles could have deadly consequence! :doh
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No it couldn't.
 
Fishking said:
Only the government can infringe on freedom of speech. Protesters can protest but, unless they have rented the venue, or put in the proper permits to reserve the venue, they do not have the right to disrupt it and be heard. You also don't get to bust into my house and start shouting at me and me having you removed is not violating your free speech. Also, and employer who wants their place of business to be a gun-free zone is not infringing on the 2nd Amendment rights of a citizen.

There is a clear delineation between private and public actions.
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The point is calling someone else who is expressing their freedom "anti-freedom" is mischaracterization.
 
Absentglare said:
The point is calling someone else who is expressing their freedom "anti-freedom" is mischaracterization.
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There is no freedom to trespass or cause a disturbance on other private citizens. There is no expressing of freedom there.
 
MrT said:
Setting aside the fact that neither this protester or anyone else at that rally engaged in violence and the fact that there are protesters at other campaign rallies, like BLM at the Sanders rally, where violence does not occur either.

So yea...there is a reason that violence occurs at Trump rallies. And it isn't the protesters.
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The rioters who shut down the Trump rally in Chicago were fascist pigs absolutely no different than Brown Shirts whose shout down tactics they used. Unamerican fascist swine the lot.
 
MrT said:
Setting aside the fact that neither this protester or anyone else at that rally engaged in violence and the fact that there are protesters at other campaign rallies, like BLM at the Sanders rally, where violence does not occur either.

So yea...there is a reason that violence occurs at Trump rallies. And it isn't the protesters.
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Spot on.
 
Absentglare said:
The point is calling someone else who is expressing their freedom "anti-freedom" is mischaracterization.
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By going to a rally like this to protest and interrupt you are doing nothing but trying to silence a different opinion. Something you have no right to do in a private rally such as this. So yea, they are completely anti-freedom.
 
JoeTrumps said:
VIDEO: Anti-Gun Protesters Storm Stage at Ted Cruz Rally | Fox News Insider

wait......when did Ted Cruz advocate violence?

I mean, we all know, according to the left, that Trump "had it coming". But why try and shut down a Cruz rally?

can't figure this out. We can't blame the protesters, they are angels walking among us. So who do we blame here?
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I saw no storming of the stage. I went on youtube and found a video that was a bit longer than that one linked to in the OP. I saw two men get on stage rather calmly, one after another, both of them escorted off the stage with absolutely no fuss and Cruz making jokes about them. I'm pretty sure that if they had "stormed" onto that stage Cruz would not have been making jokes. Your article was nothing more than a partisan hack job by Fox News Insider.

PS: Also considering what happened there was no attempt at silencing Cruz. Just some idiots that wanted 30 seconds to say something on TV. And they didn't even really get that much.
 
Fishking said:
There is no freedom to trespass or cause a disturbance on other private citizens. There is no expressing of freedom there.
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Is a university considered private property? I think the students probably have a right to go on university property. Also, the tickets were free to the public, so doesn't that make it a public event?
 
TurtleDude said:
are you actually serious? this appears to be contrarian crap.

Lets say I am attending a university and I have paid tuition to attend Dr Smith's class on third world economics. And during his lecture which is critical of say Multinational entities interfering with the local economies of say Botswana, some asshole whose father runs such a company bursts in and starts screaming so I and other students cannot hear Dr Smith/ is that an exercise of free speech? NO its trespassing, among other things. and people who try to prevent those who want to hear Ted Cruz speak are interfering with Cruz and his audience's free speech rights
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The first amendment only restricts the government from interfering with free speech....not the people. I think that's why most of the protestors at Trump rallies weren't arrested or charged with a misdemeanor. The few arrests that did occur happened outside his rallies, not inside. Trump has a right to tell the protestors to leave and use his own hired security people to escort them out, but he can't harm them or use the government to do it unless the protestor is breaking the law...and there isn't a law restricting the exercise of political speech at political rallies that I'm aware of.
 
ajn678 said:
By going to a rally like this to protest and interrupt you are doing nothing but trying to silence a different opinion. Something you have no right to do in a private rally such as this. So yea, they are completely anti-freedom.
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Some opinions deserve silencing.

Like, "I think we should kill all the Jews in Germany."

Laws try to make a world of grays into black and white. Sometimes they work, other times not so much. And there are and have always been stupid or abusive laws.

The first amendment only applies to the government.
 
Chomsky said:
It takes a pretty lot of guts (or stupidity!) to rush a stage at a 2nd Amendment rally! :shock:
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They say there is a fine line between bravery and stupidity.
 
starcitizen said:
The rioters who shut down the Trump rally in Chicago were fascist pigs absolutely no different than Brown Shirts whose shout down tactics they used. Unamerican fascist swine the lot.
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This is an interesting accusation - so Trump supporters don't like facism? That is really peculiar considering that a desire for facism or authoritarianism, more specifically, is one of the most common traits amongst Trump supporters.
 
Fletch said:
You may have had an argument prior to Chicago. The violence there was 100% the result of liberal fascist asshole protesters.
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This is an interesting accusation - so Trump supporters don't like facism? That is really peculiar considering that a desire for facism or authoritarianism, more specifically, is one of the most common traits amongst Trump supporters.
 
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