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Gun Saves 3 Peoples Lives-Will Media Cover It?

Not for us. We don't live by statistics.

Since we don't live near NYC or LA, your childish and paranoid point is even less relevant.

Brilliant. Absolutely freaking brilliant.

Do other peoples' kids a favor by never, ever trying to teach in any mathematical or scientific field, or anything at all having to do with human health or behavior.
 
Brilliant. Absolutely freaking brilliant.

Do other peoples' kids a favor by never, ever trying to teach in any mathematical or scientific field, or anything at all having to do with human health or behavior.

As usual, your response makes absolutely no sense and is filled with unrelated drama.
 
A family being held hostage by a suspected murderer fatally shot him Thursday morning — ending the multi-agency manhunt for the armed and dangerous felon, police said.

The fugitive, Rafael McCloud, 34, had approached a man in Vicksburg while he was starting his car outside of his home, Vicksburg Police Chief Walter Armstrong told NBC affiliate WLBT.

McCloud faced capital murder charges in the kidnapping and slaying of 69-year-old Sharon Wilson, who police say was badly beaten and raped last June. Her body was found in an abandoned hospital by ghost hunters who noticed a trail of blood, WLBT reported.View attachment 67198460

Will the media cover this as vigorously as the mother who was shot by her 4 year old son on accident?

Nope. Because anti-2nd amendment trash in the media wants to push the narrative that guns are only used to kill innocent people. This is why people who use guns to save lives or stop crime are ignored by the media why pathetic social outcast suicidal losers who shoot up schools are turned into instant celebs and a soap box given to anti-2nd amendment trash.

Some some suicidal pathetic social outcast loser shoots up a school here is what happens-

Media airs the story for weeks.
Media show his picture and airs his name.
Media tells us what guns he has and where he got them.
Media tells us how much ammo he has regardless if it is physically impossible for him to carry all of if on him.
The media tells us the gist of his suicide note if he left any and or speculate why he did it.
The media tells us his hobbies.
The media interviews survivors and ask victims loved ones stupid questions about how they feel.
The media gives a soap box to anti-2nd amendment trash trying to exploit this tragedy to push for more anti-2nd amendment laws.



Someone uses a gun to save lives or stop a crime here is what happens-

Little to no coverage.
 
You really don't grasp the different between the total numbers and the RATE, do you? The RATE - if you'll check - means that you are nearly twice as likely to get murdered in Louisiana than you are in NYC.

I know I'll get called a bigot for pointing out statistics here, but..
- Louisiana is 32% black
-NYC is 25% black
- L.A. is 9.8% black

Don't we all know by this point that blacks have the highest likelihood of being murder victims or murderers? Whether poverty, institutionalized racism, or 400 year of oppression is the cause, doesn't this explain your statement?
 
I know I'll get called a bigot for pointing out statistics here, but..
- Louisiana is 32% black
-NYC is 25% black
- L.A. is 9.8% black

Don't we all know by this point that blacks have the highest likelihood of being murder victims or murderers? Whether poverty, institutionalized racism, or 400 year of oppression is the cause, doesn't this explain your statement?

Let's go with your stats and compare. If NYC is 25% black, and Louisiana is 32% black...but the murder RATE in Louisiana is nearly double that of NYC, how exactly can you blame that on blacks?

What's more, LA - which according to you is 9.8% black - has a HIGHER homicide rate than NYC, which has nearly three times as many blacks. Again, how exactly can you blame that on blacks? Seems to me that if you really want truth at all cost, then you need to look past the color of peoples' skin.

To give you better references, it's not easy to get absolutely up-to-date stats, but these should give you a very good approximation. First:

Through Sunday, the city recorded 186 homicides and, based on its estimated population of 8.49 million, has a homicide rate of 2.2 killings for each 100,000 residents. During the 1990 peak homicide level of 2,245 killings, the homicide rate was 30.66 per 100,000.

Based on current homicide trends, NYPD officials think the city could record about 350 killings this year, a bit higher than last year's 333 but still at a rate of just over 4 per 100,000.

By comparison, other large U.S. cities are experiencing higher killing rates and in some cases, though they have fewer people than the Big Apple, are notching up more homicides. For instance, through July 12, Chicago, a city of 2.72 million with some recent high-profile shootings, has recorded 232 homicides this year, up 18 percent from a year ago. The Windy City's homicide rate is currently at 8.52.

Los Angeles, the nation's second most populous city with 3.92 million, has recorded 138 homicides through July 11, a drop of 2.8 percent from the same period in 2014. This has resulted in a homicide rate of 3.52 per 100,000 in Los Angeles.


Now compare that to Louisiana's homicide rate for 2014 (from numbers compiled by the FBI Uniform Crime Report): 10.3 homicides per 100,000 residents.

Again:
NYC - about 4 per 100K
Chicago - about 8.52 per 100K
LA - about 3.52 per 100K
Louisiana - 10.3 per 100K

In other words, you are more likely to be murdered in Louisiana than in Chicago...and more than twice as likely to be murdered in Louisiana than in either NYC or LA.

I was raised racist, guy...and it took me a long time to learn to look past the color of the skin, but at least now I truly understand that it has nothing to do with race itself, but everything to do with poverty, lack of opportunity, lack of education, and, yes, racism.
 
I know I'll get called a bigot for pointing out statistics here

This is what I call playing the "'race card' card" pre-emptively.

By announcing that you consider anyone to respond to your post on racial terms to be "playing the race card", you have successfully insulated yourself from having to consider whether or not they might have a point.

And because you've done it pre-emptively, it really doesn't matter whether or not any such hypothetical posts are accurate. You have already decided not to listen to any response that involves race....well...other than those responses that agree with your view (which itself involves race but which you don't want to think about).


In short, it appears the only answers you will accept involve the notion that the statistics are because black people are bad. And you're accusing someone else of playing a race card? Before they've even responded?

Uhuh.
 
Let's go with your stats and compare. If NYC is 25% black, and Louisiana is 32% black...but the murder RATE in Louisiana is nearly double that of NYC, how exactly can you blame that on blacks?

What's more, LA - which according to you is 9.8% black - has a HIGHER homicide rate than NYC, which has nearly three times as many blacks. Again, how exactly can you blame that on blacks? Seems to me that if you really want truth at all cost, then you need to look past the color of peoples' skin.

To give you better references, it's not easy to get absolutely up-to-date stats, but these should give you a very good approximation. First:

Through Sunday, the city recorded 186 homicides and, based on its estimated population of 8.49 million, has a homicide rate of 2.2 killings for each 100,000 residents. During the 1990 peak homicide level of 2,245 killings, the homicide rate was 30.66 per 100,000.

Based on current homicide trends, NYPD officials think the city could record about 350 killings this year, a bit higher than last year's 333 but still at a rate of just over 4 per 100,000.

By comparison, other large U.S. cities are experiencing higher killing rates and in some cases, though they have fewer people than the Big Apple, are notching up more homicides. For instance, through July 12, Chicago, a city of 2.72 million with some recent high-profile shootings, has recorded 232 homicides this year, up 18 percent from a year ago. The Windy City's homicide rate is currently at 8.52.

Los Angeles, the nation's second most populous city with 3.92 million, has recorded 138 homicides through July 11, a drop of 2.8 percent from the same period in 2014. This has resulted in a homicide rate of 3.52 per 100,000 in Los Angeles.


Now compare that to Louisiana's homicide rate for 2014 (from numbers compiled by the FBI Uniform Crime Report): 10.3 homicides per 100,000 residents.

Again:
NYC - about 4 per 100K
Chicago - about 8.52 per 100K
LA - about 3.52 per 100K
Louisiana - 10.3 per 100K

In other words, you are more likely to be murdered in Louisiana than in Chicago...and more than twice as likely to be murdered in Louisiana than in either NYC or LA.

I was raised racist, guy...and it took me a long time to learn to look past the color of the skin, but at least now I truly understand that it has nothing to do with race itself, but everything to do with poverty, lack of opportunity, lack of education, and, yes, racism.

Can we expand this to look beyond 3 or 4 cities? Open to that?
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Here's a list of the 20 most violent cities in America, along with demographics:
(In order of most violent ranked at #1)

1. Detroit, MI- 83% black, 11% white, 6% Latino
2. Oakland, CA- 28% black, 26% white, 25% Latino
3. Flint, MI- 53% black, 41% white, 3% Latino
4. Memphis, TN- 63% black, 31% white, 5% latino
5. St Louis, MO- 49% black, 44% white, 3.5% latino
6. Cleveland, OH- 53% black, 33% white, 10% latino
7. Little Rock, AR- 42% black, 49% white, 5% latino
8. Baltimore, MD- 64% black, 28% white, 4% Latino
9. Milwaukee,WI- 40% black, 37% white, 17% Latino
10. Rockford, IL- 20% black, 58% white, 16% Latino
11. Birmingham, AL- 73% black, 22% white, 4% Latino
12. Atlanta, GA- 54% black, 36% white, 5.2% Latino
13. Washington DC- 51% black, 35% white, 10% Latino
14. Kansas City, MO
15. Newark, NJ- 52% black, 7% white, 34% Latino
16. Indianapolis, IN- 28% black, 59% white, 10% Hispanic
17. New Haven, CT- 35% black, 32% white, 27% Latino
18. Buffalo, NY- 39% black, 46% white, 11% Latino
19. Stockton, CA- 12% black, 37% white, 40% latino
20. Miami, FL- 19% black, 12% white, 70% Latino

Now here's a list of the 11 poorest cities in America-
11. Louisville Kentucky
10. Boston, Massachusetts
9. Indianapolis, Indiana
8. El Paso, Texas
7. Fresno, California
6. Baltimore, Maryland
5. Tucson, Arizona
4. Memphis, Tennessee
3. Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
2. Milwaukee, Wisconsin
1. Detroit, Michigan

5 cities from the "poor" list are also on the " most violent " list. Yet 5 cities aren't.
And here are the demographics of those cities:

Louisville KY- 72% white, 22% black, 2% Latino
Boston MA- 53% white, 24% black, 19% Latino
El Paso TX- 14% white, 3% black, 81% Latino
Fresno CA- 30% white, 8% black, 47% Latino
Tucson Arizona- 47% white, 5% black, 42% Latino

So poverty isn't the full story when it comes to violent crime. Some other contributing factor must be at work.
 
Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Of course we could technically amend the constitution again to get rid of it or tweak it, it simply is not going to happen given the political machinery and given individual beliefs. The NRA is strong and a ton of people want loose gun laws.

So....we're just stuck with the status quo.

Yup, unfortunately, it seems to be the case.
 
In this case, a gun really was the difference between going free and being held captive for a longer period.

Guns can be used for good, it's just not something that can be measured like gun crime can. There are cases where just showing that you're armed can make a robber or rapist flee.
A gun is, ultimately, just another tool very useful for modern living. It's like having a tire iron and spare in the trunk of your car: sure, most of the time it just takes up space, but when you need it, it is a life-saver. Fortunately, the founders recognized the importance of acknowledging the right to keep and bear arms. Hell, even with it plainly written, there are still those who desire to deny the right.
 
Question about the thread title: We often hear that GUNS DON'T KILL PEOPLE - PEOPLE KILL PEOPLE. And we hear countless variations of this reminding us that a gun is just an object and cannot do anything.

So is this thread title intentionally misleading and deceiving?

Gun Saves 3 Peoples Lives-Will Media Cover It?

How can a gun save anyone by itself if we apply the logic of "guns don't kill people - people kill people"?

Is this not a case of applying the same principle equally?
 
Can we expand this to look beyond 3 or 4 cities? Open to that?
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Here's a list of the 20 most violent cities in America, along with demographics:
(In order of most violent ranked at #1)

1. Detroit, MI- 83% black, 11% white, 6% Latino
2. Oakland, CA- 28% black, 26% white, 25% Latino
3. Flint, MI- 53% black, 41% white, 3% Latino
4. Memphis, TN- 63% black, 31% white, 5% latino
5. St Louis, MO- 49% black, 44% white, 3.5% latino
6. Cleveland, OH- 53% black, 33% white, 10% latino
7. Little Rock, AR- 42% black, 49% white, 5% latino
8. Baltimore, MD- 64% black, 28% white, 4% Latino
9. Milwaukee,WI- 40% black, 37% white, 17% Latino
10. Rockford, IL- 20% black, 58% white, 16% Latino
11. Birmingham, AL- 73% black, 22% white, 4% Latino
12. Atlanta, GA- 54% black, 36% white, 5.2% Latino
13. Washington DC- 51% black, 35% white, 10% Latino
14. Kansas City, MO
15. Newark, NJ- 52% black, 7% white, 34% Latino
16. Indianapolis, IN- 28% black, 59% white, 10% Hispanic
17. New Haven, CT- 35% black, 32% white, 27% Latino
18. Buffalo, NY- 39% black, 46% white, 11% Latino
19. Stockton, CA- 12% black, 37% white, 40% latino
20. Miami, FL- 19% black, 12% white, 70% Latino

Now here's a list of the 11 poorest cities in America-
11. Louisville Kentucky
10. Boston, Massachusetts
9. Indianapolis, Indiana
8. El Paso, Texas
7. Fresno, California
6. Baltimore, Maryland
5. Tucson, Arizona
4. Memphis, Tennessee
3. Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
2. Milwaukee, Wisconsin
1. Detroit, Michigan

5 cities from the "poor" list are also on the " most violent " list. Yet 5 cities aren't.
And here are the demographics of those cities:

Louisville KY- 72% white, 22% black, 2% Latino
Boston MA- 53% white, 24% black, 19% Latino
El Paso TX- 14% white, 3% black, 81% Latino
Fresno CA- 30% white, 8% black, 47% Latino
Tucson Arizona- 47% white, 5% black, 42% Latino

So poverty isn't the full story when it comes to violent crime. Some other contributing factor must be at work.

And you completely missed the elephant in the room. 25%-black NYC (with the exception of 2014) has had a LOWER homicide rate than 9%-black Los Angeles. That in and of itself blows your claims out of the water.

Guy, I grew up racist in ground zero for racism in America - the MS Delta. It took me a long, long time to unlearn the racism I'd been taught since birth...and what forced me to unlearn that racism was traveling around this world, and learning that people really are all generally the same.

What you're doing, however, is falling into the old conservative trap of "see, that's how blacks are"...without ever really grasping that one can't keep an entire race in chains for centuries, then "free" them and keep them under Jim Crow for more than half a century longer...and then finally get rid of all that government-enforced discrimination and yet somehow expect that everything will suddenly be all better even after several generations. Thanks to slavery and Jim Crow - and the CONTINUED discrimination and prejudice - American black families (as opposed to European black families) do not have deep familial traditions of higher education, of traveling the world, or of political influence...and it's flatly silly to expect that this wouldn't be reflected in social problems...

...especially when there is STILL a significant degree of racism in America. Or do you really think it was an accident that Mississippi never finalized ratification of the 13th Amendment banning slavery until 2013 - three years ago? Do you really think it's an accident that in April of 2011, 41% of Mississippi Republicans STILL thought that interracial marriage should be banned? Do you really think it's an accident that a high school in Georgia held its very first interracial prom in 2014? Those in political power in the Deep South are the children of those who strongly opposed segregation...and the acorns did not fall far from the tree.
 
And you completely missed the elephant in the room. 25%-black NYC (with the exception of 2014) has had a LOWER homicide rate than 9%-black Los Angeles. That in and of itself blows your claims out of the water.

Guy, I grew up racist in ground zero for racism in America - the MS Delta. It took me a long, long time to unlearn the racism I'd been taught since birth...and what forced me to unlearn that racism was traveling around this world, and learning that people really are all generally the same.

What you're doing, however, is falling into the old conservative trap of "see, that's how blacks are"...without ever really grasping that one can't keep an entire race in chains for centuries, then "free" them and keep them under Jim Crow for more than half a century longer...and then finally get rid of all that government-enforced discrimination and yet somehow expect that everything will suddenly be all better even after several generations. Thanks to slavery and Jim Crow - and the CONTINUED discrimination and prejudice - American black families (as opposed to European black families) do not have deep familial traditions of higher education, of traveling the world, or of political influence...and it's flatly silly to expect that this wouldn't be reflected in social problems...

...especially when there is STILL a significant degree of racism in America. Or do you really think it was an accident that Mississippi never finalized ratification of the 13th Amendment banning slavery until 2013 - three years ago? Do you really think it's an accident that in April of 2011, 41% of Mississippi Republicans STILL thought that interracial marriage should be banned? Do you really think it's an accident that a high school in Georgia held its very first interracial prom in 2014? Those in political power in the Deep South are the children of those who strongly opposed segregation...and the acorns did not fall far from the tree.

I cant remember which book I read it in but it said something about a society changing event to take 4 to 5 generations for that event to impact everyone. It has been 3 or possibly 4 generations since the civil rights movement depending on how you measure it. What worries me is the generational poverty and negative cultural impacts in a large section of black families. I don't think we have had a great societal change since the civil rights movement of the 50's-60's that has enacted a generation impact. Maybe we need another one. I just hope its a positive one.
 
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