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FOX NEWS isn't fair and balanced. Is this really a shocker?

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FOX NEWS needs to replace Kelly as co-moderator in the debate if they wish to retain the fair and balanced moniker, in my opinion.
Unless fair and balanced to them means putting out a right-winged (a mostly conservative) message to combat the left-winged (a mostly non-conservative) message from the rest of the media. IMO, then no part of the media is fair and balanced. It's all ideological garbage and time to start up a true news channel.

I demand some part of the media be fair and balanced, to provide all the facts and not idealize the facts, to allow me to decide for myself.
 
Um... there has never been "fair and balanced" news. As such, FoxNews (nor anyone else) has ever been "fair and balanced." There is no real reason for FoxNews to cave to Trump demands and remove Megyn Kelly, and it has nothing to do with trying to be fair in some debate. Her absence would not change anything.

The only real way for you to discover all the "facts" about some story, or event of interest, is for you personally to view enough sources as you deem necessary to form your own opinion. It has always been, and continues to be today, very foolish to watch any one news source and consider yourself informed.
 
cabse5 said:
FOX NEWS needs to replace Kelly as co-moderator in the debate if they wish to retain the fair and balanced moniker, in my opinion.
Unless fair and balanced to them means putting out a right-winged (a mostly conservative) message to combat the left-winged (a mostly non-conservative) message from the rest of the media. IMO, then no part of the media is fair and balanced. It's all ideological garbage and time to start up a true news channel.

I demand some part of the media be fair and balanced, to provide all the facts and not idealize the facts, to allow me to decide for myself.
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Hmm... You have decided that Megyn Kelly is biased and needs replacing yet offer no such cookie cutter fixes for the rest of the biased media outlets. Most media bias is accomplished by omission - they never ask a tough question or make any attempt to get a direct answer to a simple question. What Trump found objectionable was being asked about facts - specifically to explain his use of sexist comments that he, in fact, has made. Rather than answer that question about facts, other than to say that he considered it fair to do so concerning Rosie O'donnell, Trump decided to blame (the source of?) that question concerning the very facts that you purport to wish to see presented.
 
It would be a huge mistake on the part of Fox to allow a person being interviewed to set the rules for the interview. Trump's action only hurts trump.
 
In this thing...Trump comes out ahead. (He's already won the debate by refusing to be there.)

Kelly comes out ahead. Her name has been in the news more now than ever before. She owes Trump...big time.

And Fox News gets a well-deserved kick in the butt.

You just cannot get a political campaign more entertaining than this one!
 
cabse5 said:
FOX NEWS needs to replace Kelly as co-moderator in the debate if they wish to retain the fair and balanced moniker, in my opinion.
Unless fair and balanced to them means putting out a right-winged (a mostly conservative) message to combat the left-winged (a mostly non-conservative) message from the rest of the media. IMO, then no part of the media is fair and balanced. It's all ideological garbage and time to start up a true news channel.

I demand some part of the media be fair and balanced, to provide all the facts and not idealize the facts, to allow me to decide for myself.
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From the very first FOX News debate it was apparent that they were after Trump. The very first question was asking the field of candidates if they would sign a pledge backing the eventual nominee, knowing that Trump would be the only one to refuse, hoping to make him look foolish. Then later in that first debate we moved on to Megyn Kelly, who wanted to single handedly put the final nail in Trump's coffin. This is as fair and balanced as Debbie Wasserman Schultz shamelessly backing Hillary when she is supposed to be neutral. I don't blame Trump for boycotting the debate. After all, this is all about winning and Trump knows how to win on his own terms instead of the establishment route, which is why he is so popular, because he thumbs his nose and refuses to play by establishment rules. He doesn't need this debate to win Iowa or New Hampshire.
 
OrphanSlug said:
Um... there has never been "fair and balanced" news. As such, FoxNews (nor anyone else) has ever been "fair and balanced." There is no real reason for FoxNews to cave to Trump demands and remove Megyn Kelly, and it has nothing to do with trying to be fair in some debate. Her absence would not change anything.

The only real way for you to discover all the "facts" about some story, or event of interest, is for you personally to view enough sources as you deem necessary to form your own opinion. It has always been, and continues to be today, very foolish to watch any one news source and consider yourself informed.
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This is and isn't entirely true.
Though reporters have always had some kind of biased being human. The sensationalism, ratings hunting, and downright hate for anything that isn't to the liking of the folks who pay for your news stations has risen a LOT since, say, JFK's day (I think it really started to hit during the Reagan era and has increased more and more partially due to the advent of "news" channels showing up and needing to fill their spots with entertaining "news" shows).
FOX doesn't have the monopoly on this. I've taken to watching the Five now and again on FOX. Though still obviously leaning, they have a few liberals on the show that at least seem to be actual friends as opposed to "token liberals". When these folks talk, the rest of the folks rarely if ever drown them out. Something I can say with a lot of certainty you don't really see anywhere else, on FOX, MSNBC, or otherwise.
I think this is almost more a fact than opinion, if politically leaning news viewers weren't so damned entertained by the "great divide" then it would go away.
Disclaimer: I haven't watched the Five super super recently because a lot of their roundtable debates were about fairly boring topics.
 
OrphanSlug said:
Um... there has never been "fair and balanced" news. As such, FoxNews (nor anyone else) has ever been "fair and balanced." There is no real reason for FoxNews to cave to Trump demands and remove Megyn Kelly, and it has nothing to do with trying to be fair in some debate. Her absence would not change anything.

The only real way for you to discover all the "facts" about some story, or event of interest, is for you personally to view enough sources as you deem necessary to form your own opinion. It has always been, and continues to be today, very foolish to watch any one news source and consider yourself informed.
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You inform yourself by obtaining all the facts and drawing your own conclusions. Or have you just graduated from a public school or college where teachers demand their students have the same ideological view as theirs?
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Hmm... You have decided that Megyn Kelly is biased and needs replacing yet offer no such cookie cutter fixes for the rest of the biased media outlets. Most media bias is accomplished by omission - they never ask a tough question or make any attempt to get a direct answer to a simple question. What Trump found objectionable was being asked about facts - specifically to explain his use of sexist comments that he, in fact, has made. Rather than answer that question about facts, other than to say that he considered it fair to do so concerning Rosie O'donnell, Trump decided to blame (the source of?) that question concerning the very facts that you purport to wish to see presented.
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FOX NEWS has that banner after its news...fair and balanced. I just want to know what they mean. Are they just delusional?
 
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I watch very little FOX, but I did watch about a 1/2 dozen of Kelly's shows out of curiosity when it was new. I saw her rip both people from both sides of the aisle.
 
RetiredUSN said:
I watch very little FOX, but I did watch about a 1/2 dozen of Kelly's shows out of curiosity when it was new. I saw her rip both people from both sides of the aisle.
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Not difficult to watch is she? :lol:
 
cabse5 said:
You inform yourself by obtaining all the facts and drawing your own conclusions. Or have you just graduated from a public school or college where teachers demand their students have the same ideological view as theirs?
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Did you really just repeat what OrphanSlug said in a more simplistic manner and THEN chose to insult him for supposedly not forming an independent opinion?
 
RetiredUSN said:
I watch very little FOX, but I did watch about a 1/2 dozen of Kelly's shows out of curiosity when it was new. I saw her rip both people from both sides of the aisle.
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I've seen a few of her shows and I was pretty impressed. I like her demeanor and she goes after people on both sides. She's imminently qualified to moderate a prime time debate.
 
cabse5 said:
FOX NEWS has that banner after its news...fair and balanced. I just want to know what they mean. Are they just delusional?
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Do you always believe what companies say about the products they sell?
 
MrT said:
Did you really just repeat what OrphanSlug said in a more simplistic manner and THEN chose to insult him for supposedly not forming an independent opinion?
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I did it in 2 sentences. Slug did it in 2 paragraphs. Er, one run-on paragraph. Slug has to have had a public education. I also had a public education but it was in the time of good journalism (a few years ago).

EDIT:Now that I think about it, Yellow Journalism was monikered during the time of the Spanish-American War... Can there be any hope for an unbiased media or portion of media, anytime? I guess instead of participating in a duel when one is injured, verbally, one can just sue for libel or slander, right? Better watch out, for that, Megyn.
 
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cabse5 said:
FOX NEWS needs to replace Kelly as co-moderator in the debate if they wish to retain the fair and balanced moniker, in my opinion.
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Then your opinion is wrong. Megyn Kelly is an excellent host and an excellent questioner. Every single candidate on that stage got asked about a potential weakness. Only Trump acted like a 13 year old girl who got made fun of by the lead cheerleader about it.
 
Freedom of speech doesn't include the ability to lie, libel or slander someone. As I've posted in a previous, people used to duel over such things. Now they sue.
 
cabse5 said:
I did it in 2 sentences. Slug did it in 2 paragraphs. Er, one run-on paragraph. Slug has to have had a public education. I also had a public education but it was in the time of good journalism (a few years ago).

EDIT:Now that I think about it, Yellow Journalism was monikered during the time of the Spanish-American War... Can there be any hope for an unbiased media or portion of media, anytime? I guess instead of participating in a duel when one is injured, verbally, one can just sue for libel or slander, right? Better watch out, for that, Megyn.
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Trump would certainly lose any lawsuit on those grounds because Truth is a valid defense. And when Megyn questioned him about this sexist statements, she used HIS documented statements.
 
cpwill said:
Then your opinion is wrong. Megyn Kelly is an excellent host and an excellent questioner. Every single candidate on that stage got asked about a potential weakness. Only Trump acted like a 13 year old girl who got made fun of by the lead cheerleader about it.
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Your post is hogwash ideology, but your signature is what caused me to reply with your post quote. According to Trump, "Illegal immigrants are great people and you have to give them a path to legalization". Yes, they must leave the US and follow the path to legalization just like any other foreigner. Once they've satisfied those requirements, they can be a citizen of the US. That is the meaning of you quote of Trump. Not your rhetoric.
 
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MrT said:
Trump would certainly lose any lawsuit on those grounds because Truth is a valid defense. And when Megyn questioned him about this sexist statements, she used HIS documented statements.
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Lookup the legal definition of slander, again. When Ms. Megyn only used 2 examples of Trump's 'derogatory' references to women he had relationships with and didn't include any praiseworthy Trump comments to women he had relationships with, that is not representing the facts and is slanderous. Which was her goal. To make news. She also only pointed out negative women relationships. Who's sexist? I think, Kelly.
 
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cabse5 said:
Lookup the legal definition of slander, again. When Ms. Megyn only used 2 examples of Trump's 'derogatory' references to women he had relationships with and didn't include any praiseworthy Trump comments to women he had relationships with, that is not representing the facts and is slanderous. Which was her goal. To make news. She also only pointed out negative women relationships. Who's sexist? I think, Kelly.
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I am an attorney. Slander does not have a "fairness" element and it does not get invoked when you are implying (or explicitly stating) an opinion because of a biased selection of quotes. If Megyn used Trump's quotes to prove her allegation of sexism and they are legitimately and undeniably quotes FROM Trump, then he will not succeed in a slander lawsuit.

Trump said to a female contestant that she would look good on her knees. Trump implied that Megyn Kelly asked tough questions because she was on her period. Hell, Trump wants to bang his own daughter. Therefore, Trump is both sexist and creepy as ****.

Please, feel free to pass on my message and I will wait for the lawsuit that will never happen.
 
cabse5 said:
Freedom of speech doesn't include the ability to lie, libel or slander someone. As I've posted in a previous, people used to duel over such things. Now they sue.
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Agreed. And above and beyond the law, which we ignore on a daily basis, freedom of speech must come with some modicum of responsibility. Another thing we ignore on a daily basis.
Just because you can, by law, say or do something, doesn't mean you should.
 
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