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Sanitizing MLK's socialism

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This makes the pretty powerfully incorrect assumption that MLK wasn't inspired by socialism and religion.

It's more than a little odd that I said, "MLK was incorrect in his criticism of Capitalism. He was incorrect in his promotion of Socialism," and you answered with the underlined sentence above. Obviously, I agreed he was inspired by socialism.

We, as a society that holds MLK in honor, overlook his transgression of advocating socialism. That's my point. It's not that we are not aware of it - it's that we will remove it from our literature because it was a DOWNFALL of MLK.


That was my point, it's politically expedient for Democrat and Republican corporate media to talk about how religion influenced MLK (Actually, it's slightly worse than that, they act like Christian religion was the sole influence, when in fact Hindu/Jain beliefs on ahimsa played an extremely important role and was the sole motivator in his "nonviolent protest" worldview). It's not so politically expedient to remind the public the role that his socialist beliefs --and the socialist beliefs of his followers and helpers, both white allies (who were almost without exception democratic socialists or communists, then the only anti-establishment group to see the condition of blacks for what it was --morally repellent and against their human rights) and black leaders (e.g. Bayard Rustin)-- played in the advancement of Civil Rights.

What you think of as being "wrong," is instead very helpful.

History white-washes its heroes, as it's done here with MLK. And, for good reason -- so we do not promote the worst in our heroes, but rather, the best.

That's why our children's history books are not full of stories about George Washington or Thomas Jefferson and their many slaves. We know they owned slaves - we CHOOSE to forgive them their transgressions in spite of that.

Same with MLK. We know he was influenced by socialism, he screwed around, and no one really gives a **** whether or not he followed other religions, we CHOOSE to forgive him those transgressions. In the thread title, you get it right -- we "sanitize" his memory.

That is as it should be. That is the prudent thing to do. All heroes are sanitized. It's isn't about them, after all, it's about society and the lessons we collectively choose to impart.

If, by any chance, those who truly want to expose the negatives about MLK are successful in doing so - the nation will quietly remove him as one of our heroes and replace him with another white-washed version.

It's what we do. If you care a lick about MLK, you'll follow suit.
 
Main Article: https://boingboing.net/2016/01/18/martin-luther-king-socialist.html

I recognize that I'm a day late on this, but in tribute to MLK day, I thought I would pay a tribute to the actual Martin Luther King, Jr, the socialist, the contrarian, and the activist. This article highlights a specific quote by Martin Luther King Jr:

"I imagine you already know that I am much more socialistic in my economic theory than capitalistic. And yet I am not so opposed to capitalism that I have failed to see its relative merits. It started out with a noble and high motive, viz, to block the trade monopolies of nobles, but like most human system it fail victim to the very thing it was revolting against. So today capitalism has outlived its usefulness. It has brought about a system that takes necessities from the masses to give luxuries to the classes."​

This sentiment is part of what drove Martin Luther King Jr's crusade for Civil Rights. Nowadays, you would think that it was because MLK was a giant Bible-thumping Christian, and that was the sole cause of his movement towards the Civil Rights for blacks and trying to make sure that the generations that came after him would have access to their civil liberties --and definitely not something like a true, pure unfettered belief in equality (income, racial, gender, and social equality). To take another quote from Martin Luther King, Jr, which is well worth hearing:

"We know through painful experience that freedom is never voluntarily given by the oppressor; it must be demanded by the oppressed."​

(Taken from this web article), and also,

"True compassion is more than flinging a coin to a beggar; it comes to see that an edifice which produces beggars needs restructuring."​

So near this particular Federal holiday, I would request that people remember and honor the real Martin Luther King Jr, not the sanitized, faux folk hero that people (like certain despicable Fox News hosts) pretend he was. This was a man who was wiretapped by the FBI under Hoover and an order given by JFK, this was a man who was assassinated for having the audacity.

This is a man who during COINTELPRO, was declared to be:

"In the light of King's powerful demagogic speech[, we] must mark him now, if we have not done so before, as the most dangerous Negro of the future in this nation from the standpoint of communism, the Negro, and national security."​

by one of J. Edgar Hoover's (the fascist head of the FBI) top men. During the counter-Leftist movement of COINTELPRO, which targeted socialists, communists, feminists, black rights supporters, and gays, the COINTELPRO program did the following:

"[On November 21, 1964 a] 'suicide package' [was] sent by the FBI that contained audio recordings of King's sexual indiscretions combined with a letter telling him 'There is only one way out for you. You better take it before your filthy, abnormal, fraudulent self is bared to the nation.' "​



So on MLK day, that's the man I try to remember. A real hero, who fought for what he believed was necessary. This is man who the Establishment fought bitterly against at every turn, including the absolutely morally disgusting tactics above to try to get him to commit suicide, with evidence from collecting illegal wiretaps against him and his supporters. This is a man who understand the real price of capitalism and income inequality. But most importantly, this was a man who was not afraid to stand up for what he believed in, even if it meant (and it ultimately did) that he could be harmed in the process.

Socialism needs to be sanitized.

It's a regressive, toxic an. inherently corrupt and parasitic system that promises " equality " but delivers mediocrity through force, waste and mismanagment of a Nations wealth creating industries.

Corrupt politicians use envy and divisiveness to appeal to naive and the outright foolish who believe that the Govt's responsibillities should be extended to include social and economic reforms based around the subjective concept of fairness

Socialism isn't about empowering the individual. Thats because the only way it can spread and gain prominence is by convincing as many people as possible that they're powerless, that they're a sub-class who will continue to struggle as long as others are allowed to prosper.

Yea, it needs to be sanitized
 
I shouldn't have said "conservatives", that was me just using sloppy language, I should have said "capitalists."
Excuses, excuses.

That doesn't really change a single bit of what I said, however. You aren't concerned about what your government did, and you do think that one of MLK's faults was that he was a socialists. How are either or these charges false?
Just stop.
Your bias leads you to make asinine assumptions of things a person hasn't said.
 
Isn't human nature also the big problem with 'implementing' capitalism? That eventually human greed will make capitalists buy legislators and thereby have the legislation written in their favor? As is the situation today?

Yup, except there's was a big difference between the US and the USSR; in which the latter people were starving.
 
What I find fascinating is that all of the conservatives below are totally unbothered with our governments actions --that doesn't even enter their thoughts as illegal or abhorrent-- and instead think that one of MLK's faults was that he was a socialist. That represents a wildly distorted view of reality, and the kindest thing that I can do in response is simply not to respond.
The OP thread title was sanitizing MLK Jr's socialism and the article you quoted mostly talking about his idiotic beliefs in socialism. Not how the government wronged him. The fact he allegedly believed in idiotic retarded **** like Socialism is irrelevant to the fact he was great civil rights leader.
 
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Yup, except there's was a big difference between the US and the USSR; in which the latter people were starving.

Democratic socialism (and related libertarian socialism/anarcho-syndicalism) is not state socialism (e.g. "communist" ideologies like Lenninism, Trotskyism, Stalinism). Saying that you've shown the errors in the ideological underpinnings of Democratic Socialism by pointing to faults in Communism is like saying that you've shown the errors in the ideological underpinnings of Private/State Capitalism by pointing faults in Fascism. They're completely different, mutually exclusive ideologies. Communists literally murdered Democratic Socialists, Capitalists, and Fascists without distinction.

If you don't understand what the differences between these ideologies are --or, indeed, the role that Democratic Socialists like Goerge Orwell, etc played in critiquing and fighting Communism-- then you're not particularly well-equipped to have this conversation. I suggest you read some of the Wikipedia articles.
 
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