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Media Covers Up Terrorist Attack

I do not understand. Does a terrorist act require more than one perpetrator or more than one victim? Or maybe more than one of each iyo.
 
Sweden said:
I do not understand. Does a terrorist act require more than one perpetrator or more than one victim? Or maybe more than one of each iyo.
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More than one perpetrator sort of. The act itself? It can be deemed terrorism IF the group is a terrorist group that began the action. So if me and you are cahoots to go take down the army corps of engineers (dam builders here), and we decided to bomb a dam. That would be terrorism. And then if part of our plan involved just me going and killing the manager? Terrorism. But if you weren't involved? I'm a wing nut extremist, but it isn't terrorism. Not as far as the FBI is concerned.

You have to be affiliated with an actual terror organization OR more than one person.
 
matchlight said:
Of course it was not! A few pipe bombs around the house and the couple's Islamist beliefs don't mean a thing. Everyone knows that was just a common crime that had nothing to do with jihadists. Same with the Fort Hood murders several years ago--just an incident of workplace violence. The base commander affirmed that, and obviously he would not have done so if the Commander-in-Chief, President B. Hussein Obama, had not agreed. Does your Islamophobia know no bounds? Next you'll be claiming that Dr. Nidal Hasan had been in touch with Anwar Al-Awlaki, the Al Qaeda jihadist who mentored two of the 9/11 hijackers!

If you keep trying to call attention to jihadist violence instead of doing all you can to cover Muslim jihadists' backsides. I'm going to have to assume you are not much of a leftist America-hater!
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Great comment!
 
Kobie said:
All of those outlets covered the incident when it occurred. Why resort to lies when your original premise fell flat?
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I compared this case to the Travon Martin case didn't I? Did CNN, MSNBC and the New York Times cover the Zimmerman trial? Are they covering the Jah'Keem Yisreal trial?
 
truthatallcost said:
I compared this case to the Travon Martin case didn't I? Did CNN, MSNBC and the New York Times cover the Zimmerman trial? Are they covering the Jah'Keem Yisreal trial?
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So because the coverage doesn't rise to the level of Trayvon/Zimmerman, then terrorism? What a ridiculously stupid argument.
 
Thanks Stonewall. If that's the FBI's position I think they have got it wrong. If one person, NOT you or me, kills one of the greatest Americans or all time - Joe Biden say - with the intention of striking fear and apprehension into the US population that IS terrorism. (I know because I've done the University of Gröningen mooc on the subject of terror which makes me a world class expert - a bit like Mr Biden come to think of it.)
 
Sweden said:
Thanks Stonewall. If that's the FBI's position I think they have got it wrong. If one person, NOT you or me, kills one of the greatest Americans or all time - Joe Biden say - with the intention of striking fear and apprehension into the US population that IS terrorism. (I know because I've done the University of Gröningen mooc on the subject of terror which makes me a world class expert - a bit like Mr Biden come to think of it.)
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I've taken classes on the history of terrorism as well. But I disagree. By that definition...organized criminals are terrorists. The problem I have with that definition is that in order to combat a violent extremist, you must understand that they are not interested in money. And if you are a schizo looking to scare people, your motives will be different too.

Just trying to use "fear" as a weapon doesn't make you a terrorist. Fear IS a weapon, not a cause.
 
truthatallcost said:
Alton Nolen killed Colleen Hufford with a large knife at the food plant where they both worked. Then he cut her head off.
The media has labeled this crime "workplace violence". The media doesn't appear to care much about reporting the facts of this case. Why?
Well, Nolen had recently changed his name to Jah'Keem Yisreal after converting to Islam in prison. He also told his coworkers that he "didn't like white people". Colleen Hufford was a white woman.
He tried to kill Traci Johnson, who is also white, but she fought back.

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This was potentially terrorism and a hate crime. Looks like white lives don't matter as much as being politically correct does to the media.
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Do you know what 'terrorism' means
 
In my opinion, anyone involved in a racially-motived criminal act involving murder and/or religious beliefs is an act of terrorism.
Would those of you who deny this consider an IRA bombing by a solitary IRA member an example of "guerrilla warfare"?

-facepalm-
 
Kobie said:
So because the coverage doesn't rise to the level of Trayvon/Zimmerman, then terrorism? What a ridiculously stupid argument.
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What a ridiculously stupid interpretation of my comment too. Probably done on purpose because you can't answer why Trayvons life or Mike Brown's life was more important than Colleen Huffords life or the lives of Channon Christian and Christopher Newsom who were also chosen for murder because of their skin color and the media largely ignored it.
You aren't dumb kobie I can recognize that from reading your posts. So you must be in denial, that's the only other option.
 
truthatallcost said:
What a ridiculously stupid interpretation of my comment too. Probably done on purpose because you can't answer why Trayvons life or Mike Brown's life was more important than Colleen Huffords life or the lives of Channon Christian and Christopher Newsom who were also chosen for murder because of their skin color and the media largely ignored it.
You aren't dumb kobie I can recognize that from reading your posts. So you must be in denial, that's the only other option.
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Just because the media doesn't sensationalize a particular case does not mean the victims' lives are more or less important, nor does it somehow make the attack on Colleen Huffords a "terrorist attack."
 
Kobie said:
Just because the media doesn't sensationalize a particular case does not mean the victims' lives are more or less important, nor does it somehow make the attack on Colleen Huffords a "terrorist attack."
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Why do they only choose to promote stories from a racial perspective involving a black victim and a white killer, such as police shootings?
Yet the many cases of black on white violence are taboo.
This is why many of us think the left are hypocrites, because they turn Mike Brown into a martyr, completely ignoring his criminal history, yet Colleen Hufford gets 2 minutes of airtime and they bury it.
 
truthatallcost said:
Why do they only choose to promote stories from a racial perspective involving a black victim and a white killer, such as police shootings?
Yet the many cases of black on white violence are taboo.
This is why many of us think the left are hypocrites, because they turn Mike Brown into a martyr, completely ignoring his criminal history, yet Colleen Hufford gets 2 minutes of airtime and they bury it.
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So you think "the left" are hypocrites because of the story prioritization of "the media"? How does THAT follow?
 
Kobie said:
So you think "the left" are hypocrites because of the story prioritization of "the media"? How does THAT follow?
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Now you're going to pretend like the media isn't made up of mostly left leaning people? There's a reason they go to journalism school, because aside from bs, they showed no aptitude in high school.
 
truthatallcost said:
Now you're going to pretend like the media isn't made up of mostly left leaning people? There's a reason they go to journalism school, because aside from bs, they showed no aptitude in high school.
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And there it is.
 
Kobie said:
And there it is.
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Whatever. The guy killed her because he hated white people and was radicalised in prison into thinking he could kill people and Allah would give him a gold star. He said he was obsessed with Muslim terrorist beheading videos. But it's workplace violence to you. Come up for air from time to time while your head is implanted in your as.s
 
Kobie said:
So you think "the left" are hypocrites because of the story prioritization of "the media"? How does THAT follow?
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Perhaps it follows because the MSM are predominently leftist - they certainly are in my country.
 
Police stated that they are investigating the incident as workplace violence, and established that it was not a domestic situation. In light of recent concerns about beheadings carried out by ISIS, Moore police immediately announced they could find "no evidence the attack was inspired by any similar events in the Middle East or by religious fundamentalism". Nevertheless, many media outlets speculated on whether the suspect's recent conversion and his affinity for radicalized militant causes was being minimized or could have been a motive for a lone-wolf attack.[21][22] Also, according to prosecutors, Nolen had what was described as an infatuation with beheadings.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaughan_Foods_beheading_incident
A terrorist attack is a legal term. They aren't going to label it unless they are pretty sure they can prove that in court. This isn't a term that the legal system just throws around for appearance sake. The press doesn't classify attacks, the investigating agency does.
 
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