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Bias in the mainstream media

eohrnberger said:
All a twitter with faux outrage when Fox News even (and a few others) which come close to violating liberal ideological cannon, yet not a peep when it's clearly pro-left or left leaning.

Yeah, I think that disqualifies many from having any legitimacy when they claim pro-right bias on just about anything.
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You'll notice that on that thread, not one person on the left has even tried to dispute the fact that ABC News lied to absolve Hillary of her lie.

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Grim17 said:
You'll notice that on that thread, not one person on the left has even tried to dispute the fact that ABC News lied to absolve Hillary of her lie.

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Of course not. It's indefensible. Lying about facts from an alleged 'News' department.

I wonder how much of Georgie boy's (George Staphylococcus [?]) fingers are on this one. You know, the non-journalist journalist.
 
SmartCat said:
Please explain what I have posted that is not true. Document your factual assertions like I do.
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No.... Not my job to educate you.
 
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You can find information about every single media outlet posting a lie. Sometimes they correct themselves. Sometimes they don't.
 
eohrnberger said:
Of course not. It's indefensible. Lying about facts from an alleged 'News' department.

I wonder how much of Georgie boy's (George Staphylococcus [?]) fingers are on this one. You know, the non-journalist journalist.
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Notice how posting about the ABC News lies brought this thread to a screeching hault?

lol

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SmartCat said:
January 2, 2016

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If this indeed turns out to be the margin that Bernie Sanders wins by, Democrats would almost certainly regain control of the United States Senate and very possibly the House of Representatives.

Read more at President Bernie Sanders? New Poll Tips Sanders To Defeat Clinton And Prevail Over Trump [Report]
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NonoBadDog said:
Man are you wrong on everything in that post.
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SmartCat said:
Please explain what I have posted that is not true. Document your factual assertions like I do.
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NonoBadDog said:
No.... Not my job to educate you.
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I posted a Quinnipiac Poll released January 2, 2016 that said Bernie Sanders could defeat Hillary Clinton in the primary, and Donald Trump in the general election. You said I was mistaken. However you did not demonstrate how. Facts matter. If you refuse to accept facts you do not want to believe, I cannot educate you, although I would welcome the chance.
 
SmartCat said:
With the exception of FOX News, which fought and won a law suit protecting its right to lie, the major networks and newspapers do not lie. What they print in news stories is nearly always true. If they make a mistake, they admit it.

Where bias comes to play is which events they choose to cover, and how they choose to cover them.

In 1998 Matthew Shepard was killed by two men he picked up in a bar. That was in the news for months. It was only years later that I learned of a thirteen year old boy who was raped and tortured to death by two adult homosexuals a year later.

The tragic story of Jesse Dirkhising

There was no organized conspiracy to cover up this information. Various news media simply decided not to cover it. Years ago I read an essay in The New York Times that said that liberals seldom want to read anything bad about blacks or homosexuals. Many newspapers do not print the race of criminal suspects.

The mainstream media has been eager to report the Roman Catholic priestly pedophile scandal. Little attention has been given to the fact that 85% of the victims of these pedophile priests have been boys. That tells me that homosexuals are more likely to be sex abusers than heterosexuals. That is seldom even suggested, however.
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Because it's silly. The priesthood attracts more homosexuals because any reasonably good looking heterosexual isn't pledging a life of celibacy (and yeah Tim Tebow is gay). If you look to Christian faiths outside of Catholicism their pastors almost exclusively buggar young girls.
 
Grim17 said:
Notice how posting about the ABC News lies brought this thread to a screeching hault?

lol

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Yeah, funny that. Haven't seen any sort of cries for apologies or retractions either, you know, like the ones they demand from Fox News for example. It's almost as if . . . . . we were living under a double standard or something. :lamo
 
eohrnberger said:
Yeah, funny that. Haven't seen any sort of cries for apologies or retractions either, you know, like the ones they demand from Fox News for example. It's almost as if . . . . . we were living under a double standard or something. :lamo
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There is a double standard.
 
NonoBadDog said:
That isn't a rule but more of a courtesy when it comes to WND. Most people here see them as a conspiracy theory sight.
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Yeah, we operate on some unspoken Ad Hominem around these parts.
 
JasperL said:
The observations simply do not lead to your conclusion. If you want to suggest that homosexuals are more likely to be abusers than heterosexuals, you'll have to use a population that includes something other than Roman Catholic priests. If you look at the Catholic church, your observation is OK to some extent - pedophilia isn't actually about sexual orientation, but much of the sexual relationships aren't pedophilia since the kids are often teens - but there is something very unique about that population, and you can't extend any conclusions you reach about that tiny slice of humanity and extend it to the population as a whole.
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Because there are many taboos against investigating different rates of sexual abuse of minors by adult homosexuals, and adult hetrosexuals the Roman Catholic priestly pedophile scandal is perhaps the only available way of investigating differences. It is known that 85 percent of the victims are boys. I doubt 85% of Roman Catholic priests have homosexual inclinations.

I mention "homosexual inclinations," because homosexuality is an innate inclination, not a behavior pattern. I am sure that there are homosexual priests. I suspect that most honor their vows of celibacy. Many are probably virgins for life.
 
Redress said:
Third, pedophiles are not gay or straight, they are people attracted to kids. And research shows that in fact gays are nor more likely to molest children.
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Pedophiles abuse minors. Whether they abuse boys or girls depends on whether or not they are homosexuals or heterosexuals.

If you are aware of research that "shows that in fact gays are not more likely to molest children," please post it. There are taboos against criticizing homosexuals.
 
Redress said:
First, warn when linking to WND. Many of us prefer not to give page views to conspiricy theory websites.
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What you call "conspiracy theory websites" are sometimes the only source of news not found in the mainstream media. That does not mean that it is not true. Nevertheless, when I did an internet search for: Dirkhising + "child abuse" I found "About 2,870 results."
 
NonoBadDog said:
That isn't a rule but more of a courtesy when it comes to WND. Most people here see them as a conspiracy theory sight.
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I would rather document factual assertions from more credible sources, such as agencies of the federal government, the United Nations, The Washington Post, The New York Times, and The Wall Street Journal. What matters is not the editorial stands a news media takes, but whether its factual assertions are indeed true.
 
Soho gator said:
Because it's silly. The priesthood attracts more homosexuals because any reasonably good looking heterosexual isn't pledging a life of celibacy (and yeah Tim Tebow is gay). If you look to Christian faiths outside of Catholicism their pastors almost exclusively buggar young girls.
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Clerical pedophilia seems to be much more of a problem in the Roman Catholic Church than in other denominations. In my opinion this is because of the Roman Catholic insistence that priests not marry. This reduces the number of men willing to become priests. This in turn means that it is difficult for Roman Catholic clerical officials to replace a priest they are having problems with.
 
SmartCat said:
Pedophiles abuse minors. Whether they abuse boys or girls depends on whether or not they are homosexuals or heterosexuals.

If you are aware of research that "shows that in fact gays are not more likely to molest children," please post it. There are taboos against criticizing homosexuals.
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There is several sources of research. Actually looking at research and researching a topic before expounding on it will save you making silly statements like you made in the quoted post. You show a failure to understand the difference between an action and a state of being, and you have not actually looked at the research on the topic you are making claims about. Not a good way to go...

http://www.robinjwilson.com/articles/freund%201989%20erotic%20age%20pref.pdf

From the abstract:

Findings indicate that homosexual males who preferred mature partners responded no more to male children than heterosexual males who preferred mature partners responded to female children.
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Redress said:
There is several sources of research. Actually looking at research and researching a topic before expounding on it will save you making silly statements like you made in the quoted post. You show a failure to understand the difference between an action and a state of being, and you have not actually looked at the research on the topic you are making claims about. Not a good way to go...

http://www.robinjwilson.com/articles/freund%201989%20erotic%20age%20pref.pdf

From the abstract:
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The Journal of Sex Research Vol. 26, No. 1, pp. 107-117 February, 1989
Heterosexuality, Homosexuality, and
Erotic Age Preference
KURT FREUND, M.D., D.Sc. ROBIN WATSON, B.Sc.
DOUGLAS RIENZO, B.Sc.
Department of Behavioural Sexology, Clarke Institute of Psychiatry

An earlier study assessed the incidence of male sex offenders against
female children vs. such offenders against male children (Freund,
Heasman, Racansky, & Glancy, 1984). Approximately one-third of
these individuals had victimized boys and two-thirds had victimized
girls.

This finding is consistent with the proportions reported in two
earlier studies (Gebhard, Gagnon, Pomeroy, & Christenson, 1965;
Mohr, Turner, & Jerry, 1974), Also, in a recent literature search
(Cameron, 1985) which examined 17 more studies on sex offenders
against children, the ratio of victimized female to male children was
approximately 2:1 .
http://www.robinjwilson.com/articles/freund 1989 erotic age pref.pdf

The rest of the study deals with how men who are attracted to adults of either sex respond physically to erotic photographs of male and female minors.

What matters is not attraction but action. Although Alfred Kinsey estimated that 10% of the U.S. male population is exclusively homosexual, more recent studies have estimated that the percentage is more like 3%. The simple fact that one half to one third of under age victims of adult male sexual abuse are boys gives strong indication that adult male homosexuals are more likely to abuse children than are adult male heterosexuals.
 
When we estimate different rates of child sexual abuse performed by adult homosexuals and adult heterosexuals what really matters is the percent of homosexuals and boy victims in the population. These are figures that are reasonably easy to document. If the percentage of boy victims is significantly higher than the percentage of homosexuals, and it certainly seems to be, we have reason to suspect that adult homosexuals are more likely to be child abusers than adult heterosexuals.
 
Mycroft said:
I don't really follow mainstream media that much. I mean, I read news articles from a wide range of sources but I don't follow any particular network or newspaper enough to know if they lie or not. But...I wasn't aware that Fox won a lawsuit protecting its right to lie. Is this a fact? Or is it some kind of spin?

Can you give me a link to the lawsuit?
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This is me. When I do see a story, I cross reference it with other news sources almost immediately by habit. I also snopes the hell out of things...sad to say but you can't just take the "good media's" word for things anymore than you can take a politician's.

Empirica said:
Any commercial venue that promotes itself to the general public as a "News Source" should be legally bound to that strict standard; otherwise it is nothing more than propaganda_

The omission and manipulation of pertinent/relevant information, or any other ploy to influence the perception of the general public, is a blatant case of fraudulent advertisement with intent to deceive_

And should a legitimate "News Source" choose to promote their own social policies and/or politics; it should be clearly segregated from NEWS programming and clearly labeled as "opinion/analysis"_

News is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth!

Opinion is whatever one is smart or stupid enough to believe!

And of course; everyone thinks they're the smart one!

Have a lovely day! :peace
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They tried that in the earlier days of US television if memory serves. And, eventually, "reporter's rights" became a thing. Now days, most news outlets get around this by having their news reports right up to the end of their program and then have the "opinion segment" which is probably watched more than the news, itself anyway because we love our entertainment.
Of course if there weren't libercons then the news wouldn't have biases to pander to ;)
 
SmartCat said:
The Journal of Sex Research Vol. 26, No. 1, pp. 107-117 February, 1989
Heterosexuality, Homosexuality, and
Erotic Age Preference
KURT FREUND, M.D., D.Sc. ROBIN WATSON, B.Sc.
DOUGLAS RIENZO, B.Sc.
Department of Behavioural Sexology, Clarke Institute of Psychiatry

An earlier study assessed the incidence of male sex offenders against
female children vs. such offenders against male children (Freund,
Heasman, Racansky, & Glancy, 1984). Approximately one-third of
these individuals had victimized boys and two-thirds had victimized
girls.

This finding is consistent with the proportions reported in two
earlier studies (Gebhard, Gagnon, Pomeroy, & Christenson, 1965;
Mohr, Turner, & Jerry, 1974), Also, in a recent literature search
(Cameron, 1985) which examined 17 more studies on sex offenders
against children, the ratio of victimized female to male children was
approximately 2:1 .
http://www.robinjwilson.com/articles/freund 1989 erotic age pref.pdf

The rest of the study deals with how men who are attracted to adults of either sex respond physically to erotic photographs of male and female minors.

What matters is not attraction but action. Although Alfred Kinsey estimated that 10% of the U.S. male population is exclusively homosexual, more recent studies have estimated that the percentage is more like 3%. The simple fact that one half to one third of under age victims of adult male sexual abuse are boys gives strong indication that adult male homosexuals are more likely to abuse children than are adult male heterosexuals.
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The definition of "homosexual" is based on attraction. These are the little details you should probably learn before you make claims. https://web.archive.org/web/20130808032050/http://www.apa.org/helpcenter/sexual-orientation.aspx

Sexual orientation refers to an enduring pattern of emotional, romantic, and/or sexual attractions to men, women, or both sexes. Sexual orientation also refers to a person’s sense of identity based on those attractions, related behaviors, and membership in a community of others who share those attractions.
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